Salem - What kind of music genre is this ?

wait lol i agree mostly with that piece i guess
never mind

add 1 to chorus of uh

― miss danilelle steven and her clitoral stimulator (contenderizer)

fyi that wasn't actually a post I made

contenderizer's got nothin on this dude

well, that's a really interesting piece full of good stuff to unpack, thread's probably good for another 200 posts now - I know at least one thread regular who'll be ecstatic about that

fyi that wasn't actually a post I made

― markers

You can never take back a post markers!! What's posted is posted! O_O

omg

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like, let's start here --

Well, it’s not. The slowed down vocals do not only have the effect of bringing the vocalist’s voice down to stoned crawl, they make the white performer sound black.

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the problematic, conscious “hip-hop” pronunciations underneath that vocal effect

the latter complaint I find as troubling as the piece's author, and along with what he goes on to unpack I think it forms a pretty right-on critique of something nasty in salem's schtick. the former assertion - that slowed-down vocals "make the white performer sound black" - strikes me as both bizarre and somewhat questionable in itself. long-in-the-tooth dudes like yrs truly, when he was just a toddling underrated aerosmith, used to sit on the floors of our bedrooms playing 45s at 16 rpm and reveling in the transgression of controlling the sound, changing it, reshaping it, and just speaking for myself, there was exactly zero "this sounds black now" quality to my listening, because "black" doesn't mean "sounds like a 45 at 16." it's unquestionable that screw music stakes a big claim on slowed-down vocals, but the notion that anybody, post-screw, who slows down their vocals now "sounds black" strikes me as kinda...like...wha? you really mean that? basically my essentialism radar goes up

I think I would have really gotten into Salem had I not seen that horrific video of the awful live performance they did that made Wavves look like meticulous connoisseurs of the art of stagecraft. As it stands, they seem to be taking a musical idea I find really, really compelling and shoving it about as far up their asses as it can possibly go.

Only they don’t. The group really show their asses in this XLR8R interview. Salem’s Jack Donoghue calls footwork wunderkind DJ Nate’s music “smart,” but adds, “but I don’t think he’s trying to be clever.” DJ Nate is most certainly trying to be clever. That’s what sample-based dance music like footwork is all about: consciously flipping the weirdest, funniest, most dope sample in the coolest, smartest way possible. Heather Marlatt, photographed for the magazine in cornrows, describes her interest in “Juggalos” but not the Insane Clown Posse’s music, which seems the inverse of Salem’s interest in black music: who cares about the people, it’s all about the sounds, man.

I might be wrong (the 'indie-kids who have little knowledge of screw music' epithet applies directly to me) but to me this paragraph seems barely relevant, and only exposes the extent to which the author of this piece has a personal stake in showing Salem in the most negative light possible.

really not getting this clusterfuck here - i do see the screw stylings but this is really at heart goth/industrial music

^+drawl's point, counterpoint is he's ostensibly slowing down his vocals to sound screwed, not black. Is screwed only authentic-if-made-by/available-to black people? Is he not allowed to traffic in this genre because he's white? Author assumes use of "bitch" and other stereotypical hip-hop lingo is "black" *cough* eminem is on 60 minutes this week if u check yr listings. Hang ups are squarely the author's, not S A L E M's.

i think it has something to do with the fact that he's screwing and saying bitch underneath a fake Texas patois. Which "screwed vocal" bands like Fever Ray don't exactly do

even Eminem never put on a fucking accent

remember when Al Jourgensen used to have a British accent??

"Texas patois"?

I think I would have really gotten into Salem had I not seen that horrific video of the awful live performance they did that made Wavves look like meticulous connoisseurs of the art of stagecraft.

Wait -- you mean Wavves are not meticulous connoisseurs of the art of stagecraft???

;_;

xpost

he's trying to sound like Bun B, don't be rap Tuomas, j0hn, you're smarter than that

is the Brandon who wrote that piece the same Brandon who also wrote the XLR8R piece that he continually refers to?

whiney g. weingarten, can you do me a solid and adhere to the same principle of honest broness that prevents me from calling you "chris" when I disagree with you? thanks man.

I had a lot more to say but because I find the subject interesting I'm writing in long boring grafs, can't be helped, I'll be back later to see what shook out - I think this is an interesting subject.

waitaminnit, cornrows?

i mean

the chick in salem's cornrows look just like kenny fucking powers in the preview commercials for the new season of eastbound & down

― my balls and my nerds (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, September 26, 2010 11:18 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

whiney g. weingarten, can you do me a solid and adhere to the same principle of honest broness that prevents me from calling you "chris" when I disagree with you? thanks man.

will do. but just want to point out that j0hn was your name around here for like seven years, so when ppl call u it, it's prolly not on some miccio ish, more like when I call markers "ksh" or zorn_bond.mp3 "HOOS"

word, noted

I don't think anyone posted the "Asia" video yet, right? Pretty great. NSFW-ish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27pRb5gtb6w

Funny how different posters are hearing quite different elements pushing out here. Some, like Whiney, are hearing bad take-the-piss white crunk; Baaderonix and I are firmly in the industrial, post-Ministry camp; it's called witch-HOUSE; yet the initial poster was barking up a dubstep tree.

This isn't a revelatory point or anything, but it's still testament to the fact they're a controversial act.

I don't care about the "sounding black" or accent stuff. As a Britisher, singers putting on accents isn't anything new to me and has been going on since the Beatles. I don't think that someone singing or rapping in a different way to their speaking voice is in any way phony.

http://wiki.ironchariots.org/images/b/b8/Cherry_picking_med.jpg

some of you have this contrarian, anti-hype, anti-genration Y stance or pose that renders anything you say, sound like "ikguhouigyhub!"

How do you pronounce that anyway

will do. but just want to point out that j0hn was your name around here for like seven years, so when ppl call u it, it's prolly not on some miccio ish, more like when I call markers "ksh" or zorn_bond.mp3 "HOOS"

considering I haven't been "miccio" on here for a damn long time, I find a rather large irony in here.

hahaha

it took me the longest time to figure out who "miccio" was

on another note, that name again is mr plow if any ppl are still curious abt chopped & screwed and want some youtubes

Whiney u str8 Jethro itt imo

idk i think the miccio persona has been one of ilx's most consistent

maybe a lil less outright challopy

hahahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNRBLfpTNus

Rape-Gaze is now removed from the pfork review, btw

whiney not even i spend this much time checking up on hype acts i hate

he's trying to sound like Bun B, don't be rap Tuomas, j0hn, you're smarter than that

― i love you but i've chosen markers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, October 12, 2010 7:58 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

disagree with your objection, whiney, in that i don't object, but this is still OTM. on tracks like "trapdoor", salem dude is affecting a very specific hip hop voice (and yeah, it's a "black" voice, at least by association). you can't really talk your way around that. actually, i'm curious about why this doesn't bother me. in a similar way, i'm a little mystified by my easy acceptance of earl sweatshirt's grisly rape & murder jokes. comforts of apathy...

[yikes. sorry, aero, for perpetuating the thing.]

i think the obvious answer is that one is willing to put up w/ earl's elaborate rape & cop killing & murder fantasies because he displays above average talent as a storyteller and lyricist -- esp for a 16 year old -- where as the dude in salem is all MY MIND IN THE SKREET

ha

well yeah, but we put up with salem's "screwed" clowning (if we do) because the music & aesthetic perversions are intriguing, because they creates nice dissonances. i'd never defend jack donoghue as a rapper.

got this yesterday

initial impression - they're atari teenage riot for 2010

White Moth is ATR for 2010

my thought from Youtube clips was "what if My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult had been into dub and hip-hop rather than horror movies"

then I saw that wretched live performance that made the rounds and I stopped caring

everyone's allowed to suck from time to time

not like that, they aren't

http://i53.tinypic.com/xaxo2a.jpg

looooooooooool

eh, i've seen comparable bullshit from john maus and ariel pink (though with a large dash of "i am crazy and/or intend to suck"). salem weren't ready to play, maybe won't ever be ready to play. i don't give a shit, doesn't affect my opinion of the recorded music. plus maybe their mom died that night. there could be factors to consider.