Mozart has time-traveled to your living room. He asks you about today's music.

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Eh, fuck this weak shit.

geirs first post on this thread is classic very-much-in-character but its overshadowing louiss which is just as funny

oh wow psyopus is a real band not just a made up stand in name for the kind of band that louis likes

Lol psyopus is mega dope read yr decibel

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0ZetW6bQ7Q

Nepomuk is a great name

Yeah no kidding, I mean sure he's off-base waaaayy more often than he's OTM, but you guys are being 300% bigger dicks than usual.

because when Geir fronts like he actually knows anything about classical music it becomes time to haul out the tranq darts. anybody for whom the dawn of modernism is the end of classical music buys himself a one-way ticket to STFU-land.

Okay I admit I'm mostly posting this because of the WTF visual that the uploader chose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuO1gPmVDGI

Yes, Nepomuk is a great name. And aerosmith remains OTM...

anyway that's why I'm being an even bigger dick than I usually am, because Geir flaunting his ignorance as though it were wisdom on this subject is offensive to me, especially when he tries to imagine that the composers he pretends to understand would share his myopia. Mozart was a visionary; he looked forward as far as he could see; everything Geir loathes in music -- progress, risk, spontaneity -- Mozart treasured & exemplified. Anybody who tries to posit Mozart as some guardian of any "it was better when the rules were in place" ideology gets what he deserves imo.

hey looks like u need this: http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~sparks/sfhorror/eyeroll.gifhttp://hubcap.clemson.edu/~sparks/sfhorror/eyeroll.gif

crüt OTM

clearly Geir must listen to every Mozart composition before giving him praise

There were also people like Scarlatti and Hummel. Beethoven was comtemporary with Haydn, but not really with Mozart.

Domenico Scarlatti, 1685-1757 (exact contemporary of J.S. Bach, 1685-1750)
Franz Josef Haydn, 1732-1809
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, 1756-1791
Ludwig Van Beethoven, 1770-1827
Johann Nepomuk Hummel, 1778-1837

Thank you, Geir, for confirming that you live in a completely different universe from the rest of us.

― Waldstein Sinatra (Paul in Santa Cruz), Monday, October 11, 2010 4:54 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

to be fair, Mozart wz dead when Beethoven was 21; Hayden would go on to live for at least two more decades. I don't know what Beethoven had accomplished by 1791, but I can't really imagine he had formed any of his most famous compositions.

Let's just suppose that he's dressed, speaks English (could he? -probably), and his knowledge of his future won't mess up history. It was sort of beside the point of the thread, but the most logical answer so far has been to whisk him to a doctor.
Should I have added that he can only stay for several hours? Seems like that would make it more interesting.

Yeah no kidding, I mean sure he's off-base waaaayy more often than he's OTM, but you guys are being 300% bigger dicks than usual.

― i'm just saying let ilxor say something nice to me ffs (ilxor), Monday, October 11, 2010 5:13 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

more than ever convinced ilxor is a sock

clearly Geir must listen to every Mozart composition before giving him praise

― flockapella (crüt)

How about just some of them. He said he liked his 'later symphonies', yet didn't seem to recognise the symphony no 38, which considering Mozart wrote 41 is..pretty late. He said string quartets were for nerds, but didn't comment on the piano sonatas or operas or string quintets I mentioned. Or the hundreds of other works that don't come under the purview of 'late piano concertos and symphonies'.
Mozart is his "favourite classical composer" and yet by this computation he likes barely a handful of works, like maybe half a dozen. That's like saying the Beatles are your favourite band but you only like the second half of their last album.

It's pretty amusing.

would love to play him rhythm & sound, some autechre too

geir likes the beatles and there are more than plenty of beatles tracks geir doesn't like

K that's a good point. I have no problem with Geir giving Mozart praise btw, it's just that he's saying 'Mozart is like this' and 'his music is like this', without really knowing anything about either. aerosmith did a good job of correcting him, I'm just showing that Geir doesn't actually like Mozart, on the whole.

And of course the Beatles are NOT Geir's favourite band..Genesis is, so the analogy would be that he liked one minute of one song. That would be a similar ratio of liking to actual compositional output. For your favourite thing.

The best works of Genesis are actually better than anything Mozart or Brahms ever did.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, March 7, 2003 6:41 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Mozart is my favourite classical composer.

― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, October 11, 2010 3:46 PM

You guys, Mozart has just time-traveled to your living room and all you can do is dig up Geir posts and feed his trolling?

I would bake him a really nice cake, but only if he time-traveled to my kitchen as well.

I'd play him Miles On the Corner. And then show him porneskimo.com.

"was ist das? ich bin im some zeit travel kind der spiel oder was"
"fuckin A it's mozart. wolfs, let me ask you a question: smokest du der weed? never too early in the day imo"
"was? wer?"
"who me? I'm underrated aerosmith. check it out tho dude. Geir is seriously up to some bullshit on this thread"
"ach mein gott check that shit out lol. warum would I give a shit about an english prog band"
"ja ich weiss right. bitte nicht bogart the j mozart"
"mein bad. habst du cuban linx 2? play 'surgical gloves'"
"good call, man in wig, gib mir ein high-five"

I'd play absolutely nothing except for The Smiths.

john i love u long tim

I feel like the corollary of this question is, "you're transported into the novel '1984', what about the culture interests you?"

Yeah I think Mozart would be so horrified by the history of the 20th Century he'd be amazed anyone could care about music.

Mozart is his "favourite classical composer" and yet by this computation he likes barely a handful of works, like maybe half a dozen. That's like saying the Beatles are your favourite band but you only like the second half of their last album.

I am not a classical music fan at all, but out of what I've heard of classical music, Mozart is the best for me because of the works I have heard - the most famous and familiar ones - are the best in terms on melody and harmony. The most important musical elements forever. This means Symphony #40 (heard #41 too, but don't like that so much), Piano concertos #21 and #23, the Clarinet Concerto, Requiem ("Lacrimosa" in particular), Eine Kleine Nachtmusik. Yep, the populist choices, but they are the ones who make him still relevant for more than a handful of classical music nerds.

And of course the Beatles are NOT Geir's favourite band..Genesis is, so the analogy would be that he liked one minute of one song.

More like out of what I've heard.

Out of Mozart's big production (he composed an amazing lot within his short life), the earliest works are largely forgotten. Yep, they are stored in there because Mozart is a big name, and because Körchel did a good job sorting his work out, but I think few people actually play them or listen to them.

In the case of most composers from this era, they are remembered for a handful of their work, and then another handful of string quartets etc. that a few nerds dig into while the man in the street are largely unfamiliar with them. Big parts of the production of, say, Mozart and Haydn are still unknown to virtually all people, not unknown as in they know it exists, but as in they've never heard it.

Yep, the populist choices, but they are the ones who make him still relevant for more than a handful of classical music nerds

There are millions more "classical music nerds" than there are Genesis fans.

melody doesn't exist independent of rhythm just fyi

There are millions more "classical music nerds" than there are Genesis fans.

There are lots of Genesis fans, although way too many of them tend to appreciate the least interesting era of their work (1978 onwards)

melody doesn't exist independent of rhythm just fyi

Rhythm is a part of melody, and I even think having a beat in the background (which is something classical music didn't) is fine. But this doesn't mean that rhythm is supposed to take over completely and become the dominant element.

so frustrating that I can't resist trying to explain shit to you that you've demonstrated a lifelong inability to grasp

rhythm has always already "taken over completely and become the dominant element" unless you're down with players assigning whatever note-values happen to strike their fancy, which you'll find results in a radically transformed concept of melody. otherwise, melodies as you understand them 100% do not exist as such unless they are nailed to the rhythm

all day and all night

forever

period

if it happens more than 20 times per second, it's melody
any less, and it's rhythm

I'd play absolutely nothing except for The Smiths.

Heaven knows I'm SBing you now.

I am not a classical music fan at all, but out of what I've heard of classical music, Mozart is the best for me

That's cool brah. You can like whatever you like. You're not obliged to listen to anything.

Yep, the populist choices, but they are the ones who make him still relevant for more than a handful of classical music nerds.

That is completely, completely false, and I know that from personal experience, rather than just assertion. Admittedly you won't hear many of his great chamber music masterpieces on the barren wastelands of Classic FM, but at least as popular as the works you mentioned are the four great operas Figaro, Don Giovanni, Cosi Fan Tutte and Die Zauberflote, plus Die Entfuhrung, the violin concertos, the Gran Partita Serenade, the Piano Quartets, the C major and C minor Masses, the Haffner, Linz, Paris and Prague Symphonies (not to mention favourites like no 25 and no 29), Other Piano Concerts which you've never bothered with no 9, no 13, no 17, no 10, no 20, no 24, no 25 and no 27, the Sinfonia Concertante.....

People go to see concerts with these pieces who are not by any stretch of the imagination "classical music nerds" (really don't know what to make of that phrase, are you being playful, or insulting, or just bludgeoningly stupid, or....?).

Out of Mozart's big production (he composed an amazing lot within his short life), the earliest works are largely forgotten. Yep, they are stored in there because Mozart is a big name, and because Körchel did a good job sorting his work out, but I think few people actually play them or listen to them.

If by "earliest works" you his juvenilia and compositions written before the age of about 14, yes, you're right. But a good deal of his late teenage works have plenty of currency and performances. After that of course he still wrote 'early works' but they are firmly in the canon of regularly played and recorded works.

In the case of most composers from this era, they are remembered for a handful of their work, and then another handful of string quartets etc. that a few nerds dig into while the man in the street are largely unfamiliar with them. Big parts of the production of, say, Mozart and Haydn are still unknown to virtually all people, not unknown as in they know it exists, but as in they've never heard it.

This is irrelevant guy, we're on a music message board full of music obsessives and music nerds, what the man on the street knows or cares about is not really that important (unless that's what we're talking about..). The fact is people who love classical music or who are curious about music full stop will if they bother to investigate be exposed to many dozens more of Mozart's works than you know about because they are regularly played and consumed and talked about. Do you give a shit that the man on the street is not aware of 'Supper's Ready' but loves 'Follow You Follow Me' ? Would you use the argument that because the man on the street doesn't know these works therefore they are 'for nerds' ? Are you a 'Genesis nerd', or a 'prog nerd' ?
You're omnivorous when it comes to popular music (after 1963, anyway), you listen to things you don't like because it fills in the gaps of pop history, it lets you know what has been created and what impact it had, even if it's not your cup of tea. and more than that you're just a plain fan of music, so you want to listen to as much as you can, it's all good right? Consequently you are something of a (lol) authority on popular music, because you've listened to artists in breadth and depth, the lesser known as well as the chart-topping. You have not done this with classical music, so you do not know whereof you speak. Why can't you admit this? Yet you still speak on classical music as if you knew anything about it. Why the pretense? And why the disparaging terms for those who have listened to it? Do you really think that music should be curated by people who don't have a clue, but who only go on what 'the man in the street' knows?

You're omnivorous when it comes to popular music (after 1963, anyway), you listen to things you don't like because it fills in the gaps of pop history, it lets you know what has been created and what impact it had, even if it's not your cup of tea. and more than that you're just a plain fan of music, so you want to listen to as much as you can, it's all good right? Consequently you are something of a (lol) authority on popular music, because you've listened to artists in breadth and depth, the lesser known as well as the chart-topping. You have not done this with classical music, so you do not know whereof you speak. Why can't you admit this? Yet you still speak on classical music as if you knew anything about it. Why the pretense? And why the disparaging terms for those who have listened to it? Do you really think that music should be curated by people who don't have a clue, but who only go on what 'the man in the street' knows?

I know that "classical" music without melody has too little appeal on the man on the street to last. I know The Beatles will be more familiar to the 2200 Man than Schönberg will, and he will probably be more likely to know "Yesterday" than "I Am The Walrus" even. That's just the way it is. Mozart is famous because of Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, not because of his string quartets.

Mozart is famous because of Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, not because of his string quartets.

Eine Kleine Nachtmusik has:

-two violin parts
-one viola part
-one cello part

you do the math

I know that "classical" music without melody has too little appeal on the man on the street to last. I know The Beatles will be more familiar to the 2200 Man than Schönberg will, and he will probably be more likely to know "Yesterday" than "I Am The Walrus" even. That's just the way it is. Mozart is famous because of Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, not because of his string quartets.

Well done for dodging all my questions, but anyway. If you'd bothered to listen to any of Mozart's other works outside of the handful you have done you'd know that they are all full of melody, of the same kind ans in the same style as those which you like. I guess you've had enough of that though, eh? Guess you perhaps don't like Mozart's style much after all to listen to the 600 odd other pieces he composed which are all in a similar style and as bursting with invention as the ones you know. For nerds, huh?

And good job crow barring Schoenberg, I am the Walrus, and a point about what 'future men in the street' will like when I mentioned none of that.

If you'd bothered to listen to any of Mozart's other works outside of the handful you have done you'd know that they are all full of melody, of the same kind ans in the same style as those which you like.

I know they are, because Mozart was a master of melody. But maybe not all as accessible as the most famous ones. Many composers tended to have less obvious melodies on their string quartets than the full orchestra works though.

(And, yes.... Sure... "Eine Kleine Nachtmusik" was a bad example in that it is actually a string quartet)

Well done for dodging all my questions

historically speaking Geir was a real internet innovator for just ignoring all the parts where his arguments get soundly defeating and finding the one narrow window through which he can quixote right on 'til morning

that said this:

Many composers tended to have less obvious melodies on their string quartets than the full orchestra works though.

lol hilarious that you've never actually heard a quartet - none of Schubert's 9 symphonies have a melody as distinctive as the ones at play in Death and the Maiden, pretty much everybody agrees that Beethoven's late quartets are the pinnacle of the classical era, etc etc.

Nerds don't tend to care that much about melody, you know. They like better stuff that is so "different" that the casual listener prefers just to run away.

Like Death and the Maiden, the most popular piece in Schubert's entire canon?

Nerds don't tend to care that much about melody, you know.

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