The Future of Outkast

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I can understand not everyone jumping on "The Love Below"....it's a rock album, but please...there is nothing wrong with Speakerboxx.

ed slanders (edslanders), Friday, 23 June 2006 09:54 (seventeen years ago) link

In fact, Speakerboxxx is much MUCH better than TLB, mostly because it's shorter and to the pointer, and also because it's a real collaborative record. Maybe Andre has a great Prince/Stevie style album in him, but TLB (despite it's considerable highs) sure ain't it.

Also, I liked his acting in "The Shield" and "Four Brothers."

100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Friday, 23 June 2006 11:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Spbx>>>TLB

A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Friday, 23 June 2006 12:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Also:

"The future of OutKast gotta..."(static)

100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Friday, 23 June 2006 12:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I will put up my hand in favour of The Love Below. Speakerboxx is a top-class hip-hop album, but it doesn't have the genre-defying thrillingness of TLB.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link

"genre-defying thrillingness"?

It's a funk record. If you really think it's an unprecedented achievement, I recommend such obscurities as "1999", "Sign O The Times" "One Nation Under a Groove" "Talking Book" and "Control"

100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Um, that EW article makes Dre sound like a stubborn ass and pretty much leaves no hope for "The Future of Outkast."

matt2 (matt2), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Originally they said Fishbone recorded the score music with them, but all I can find now is that Angelo is in it, waht is it made?

you can email me if you wish to challenge the truth (nickalicious), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Outkast should split up and Big Boi and Cee-Lo should do an album with TI or something and Andre should go ahead and do Jesus Christ Superstar or whatever.

you can email me if you wish to challenge the truth (nickalicious), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, I could kinda see Andre getting addicted to WoW and disappearing from the face of the earth entirely.

you can email me if you wish to challenge the truth (nickalicious), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link

It's a funk record. If you really think it's an unprecedented achievement, I recommend such obscurities as "1999", "Sign O The Times" "One Nation Under a Groove" "Talking Book" and "Control"

No need to be condescending. Did I say it was an unprecedented achievement? No. But, cmon, it's not just a funk record. There are splashes of hip-hop, pop, rock, soul, jazz and electronica (ugh, horrible word), and a playfullness and unpredictability at work which I personally find, yes, thrilling. Granted, Prince was juggling all these genres twenty-odd years ago, but Andre is certainly not just apeing him; his personality is stamped all over the album.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Aren't there splashes of all those things in Big Boi's record too? Except it had more good songs.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, there are, as there have pretty much always been in Outkast's music (and I'm not belittling Speakerboxx AT ALL, it's a great record), but Big Boi's still using more of a hip-hop template, whereas Andre's going into areas that can barely be called hip-hop at all. I'll just add that, technically, Speakerboxx probably is a 'better' album (tighter, less filler), it's just that I find Andre's experimentation more exciting and intruiging - and I think he pulled it off with far less self-indulgence than could be expected.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I agree with deej here. I appreciate that Andre was being possibly more ambitious, it just fell kinda flat for me. Genre-defying I guess I'll give him, but the thrillingness was too sporadic.

100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

whereas Andre's going into areas that can barely be called hip-hop at all.

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It's a funk record

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Aren't there splashes of all those things in Big Boi's record too? Except it had more good songs.
-- deej.. (clublonel...), June 23rd, 2006. (deej..)

deej OTM!

M@tt He1geson, Rendolent Ding-Dong (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

haha - it's 2006 and we're still net-beefing about which half of the OutKast record is better. I guess they win.

100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyway I'm pretty sure the consenus at this point is otm. I dont see the two of them reuniting which is fine, they have a large and great back catalogue and I certainly don't expect them to go on forever. Plus Big Boi's purple ribbon shit, although hit or miss, has been pretty great when it hits.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I think its over for them. You can't expect anybody to make interesting music when they're publicly admitting that they aren't excited about making music. As far as Dre goes, its like he feels he blew his wad with "The Love Below", an album which, frankly, tries to hard and only sometimes succeeds. I don't think it reaches the heights of any of its most obvious predecessors (ie, Prince, Stevie, etc.) and he must feel that on some level.

They had a great run tho, truly something unprecedented in hip-hop.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, I didn't mean to insult ya, Joe, just point out that to my ears TLB sits pretty firmly in a great tradition. Just not the one with "Paid in Full" as part of the canon.

100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

(in other words deej OTM!)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

"There are splashes of hip-hop, pop, rock, soul, jazz and electronica (ugh, horrible word), and a playfullness and unpredictability at work which I personally find, yes, thrilling."

Welcome to a new year at ILM High!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.toonarific.com/pics_root/00001385/galaxyhighlogo.jpg

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish had [sic] andre 3000 hadn't dated erykah badu (rap's yoko ono).

Give me a fucking break. She was with Andre 3000 - and they broke up - long before there were "problems" in his relationship with Big Boi. And she dated Common, too. So fucking what?

Oh, and for unfortunately-not-the-last-fucking-time, Yoko did NOT break up the Beatles. Their egos did. This is just ignorant bullshit.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah that's a strange connection to make. Besides, both Outkast tunes with a Badu guest spot are fantastic.

Ps Cheers Austin, no offence taken.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I take that statement back, I was mostly kidding, besides without erykah we wouldn't have "Mrs. Jackson" (or Baduizm for that matter) and I know Ono is just a scapegoat for dumb fanboys. I just think Lennon/Andre's relationships with Ono/Badu widened rifts that were already there, you can't blame them, love changes people. I know it's not Badu's fault but I just really, really miss the old Andre (when he was still dope and liked making music/didn't think he was too good for rapping) and it's easy to blame her for it whether it's fair or not. But fuck it I loved hey ya just like everybody did, Andre can do whatever the hell he wants as long as he keeps making music.

Jesse Wilson (Uncle Fester), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

but it doesn't sound like he's going to keep making music. (Honestly, I expect some kind of typically depressing downward slide for him...)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 23 June 2006 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm pretty much too old to get really worked up about this stuff (like when Andre the Giant and Hulk Hogan split and left me in a depressed daze for days), but something about that article really makes me sad.

matt2 (matt2), Friday, 23 June 2006 18:28 (seventeen years ago) link

they had a pretty good run as Best Band in the World (and i include sb/tlb in that run, cuz there's enough great stuff to justify it). can't last forever. if they're on to the diamonds and pearls phase of their career, so be it.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 23 June 2006 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I would really, really, recommend anyone missing Outkast searching deeper into the catalog. As well as the four Goodie Mob albums, which I think are the equal of the Outkast albums, there are amazing albums from Witchdoctor, Jim Crow, Backbone, Slimm Calhoun, Cool Breeze, Killer Mike, Big Gipp....
I often find Organized Noise production the most interesting thing about Oukast - and all of those albums (mostly) share that production...

paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Sleepy Brown's R&B albums are really good too.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh and Parental Advisory is great.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe we should stop writing off Outkast until after Idlewild comes out.

max (maxreax), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link

ding a fuckin ding ding ding

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Deej, is the P.A. "Straight No Chase" album good? What would you compare it to in the Dungeon Fam catalog?

paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd like to put another hand up for The Love Below. (Minus r------ clichespeak.) Except for "Ghettomusick", "Church", & "Flip Flop Rock", nothing on Speakerboxxx has really held up for me.

It's Rodney, now in amazing 2-D! (R. J. Greene), Saturday, 24 June 2006 06:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I put on TLB last night after not listening to it (and not even hearing "Hey Ya" for about a year. It sounded really great and "Hey Ya" was (very much surprisingly) like an adrenaline rush. There's no way I think Speakerboxxx is better, so my hand goes up as well.

Marmot 4-Tay: forth-coming, my child. forth-coming most righteous champion (mar, Saturday, 24 June 2006 07:18 (seventeen years ago) link

(and not even hearing "Hey Ya")

Marmot 4-Tay: forth-coming, my child. forth-coming most righteous champion (mar, Saturday, 24 June 2006 07:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah word, I'm too drunk again and love below was a lot more exciting despite the fact that speakerboxxx was more solid. Tell me you didn't pop in TLB first when you got that double disc. Organized Noize didn't make Outkast though, they were doing mostly their own production by second or third album, Outkast made Organized Noize and god bless them all
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Jesse Wilson (Uncle Fester), Saturday, 24 June 2006 08:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Except for "Ghettomusick", "Church", & "Flip Flop Rock", nothing on Speakerboxxx has really held up for me.

W.
T.
F.

"Unhappy" "Bowtie" "The Rooster" "Last Call" etc didn't hold up w you?

deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 24 June 2006 08:29 (seventeen years ago) link

"Knowing" is great as well.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Saturday, 24 June 2006 12:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Never liked "Unhappy" or "Last Call" that much in the first place. The other two lost their flavor on the bedpost overnight.

It's Rodney, now in amazing 2-D! (R. J. Greene), Saturday, 24 June 2006 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

andre will adopt francis bean after he pays cee lo in pcp to murder courtney love

psycho pete (pete38), Saturday, 24 June 2006 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

http://xxlmag.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/idlewild.jpg

deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 24 June 2006 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link

"Unhappy" and "Tomb of the Boom" are my favorites from Speakerboxxx. so have we named all the songs yet?

tremendoid (tremendoid), Saturday, 24 June 2006 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
"Morris Brown", "Idlewild Blue", thoughts?

I really like "Morris Brown". The unsettling thing about it is how totally made-for-Andre Scar's part sounds.

"Idlewild Blue" is okay. These songs are much more reassuring about the album (despite their seperation) than "The Mighty O" was.

It's Rodney, assume the position! (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I liked "Idlewild Blue" better when it was Stevie's "Higher Ground". "Morris Brown" has some good moments, though I am unsure if I think the song itself is better than an average Big Boi cut.

I agree both are leagues ahead of "The Mighty O", which was mighty bad.

EZ Snappin (EZSnappin), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 00:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Your right, it does sound like "Higher Ground". The Stevie song is more of a rocker though. This is laid back and front porch-y.

It's Rodney, assume the position! (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 00:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm really happy with "Morris Brown".

aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 00:51 (seventeen years ago) link

five years pass...

the future of Outkast = socks

I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 13:59 (eleven years ago) link

Phife was good ofc but do I want to hear his solo work? No.

As I said bb solo isnt bad. But that doesnt mean it's great either. Its fine.

As for trying too hard, I should clarify. I mean, making music that sounds very self conscious. Again,not a bad thing, and i like hey ya, those gwen Stefani songs, and other stuff, but at the time I just thought it was a bit too aware of itself, of what it is. But I should give these albums another chance. Not returned to them in years

candyman, Saturday, 31 October 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link

Sometimes I think vehment bb fans are just defined by not wanting to be those fans who think dre3000 was the superior member and all that bestows on them

candyman, Saturday, 31 October 2020 16:27 (three years ago) link

Chico dusty is not better than Stankonia, come on

brimstead, Saturday, 31 October 2020 16:29 (three years ago) link

Phife only had one solo album and it was pretty bleh but most of Q-Tip's solo career also wasn't very good

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Saturday, 31 October 2020 16:34 (three years ago) link

Sure. But most of dre3000s solo career wasnt fab either!

candyman, Saturday, 31 October 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link

speakerboxxx is perfect

this ball & g album is up there with the best outkast and goodie mob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DUJ2rcctw

ANU (sisilafami), Saturday, 31 October 2020 17:26 (three years ago) link

Snappin & Trappin one of the most annoying unpleasant beats from any group I like. Never liked BOB either but respected the attempt at something avant garde.
Aquemini>Atliens>1st one>Stankonia>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything else

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 31 October 2020 17:27 (three years ago) link

Throw ur hands up is so good

candyman, Saturday, 31 October 2020 18:06 (three years ago) link

who cares what Andre's "solo career" is like. he's never even released a solo record. his legacy is outkast and an all time mc

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 31 October 2020 19:00 (three years ago) link

I don't really like listening to Rick Rubin (or how he keeps trying to steer Andre 3000 back into making product here), but it's pretty interesting to hear Andre talk about losing confidence & not wanting to be in the spotlight, just learning different instruments and getting into Steve Reich, etc
https://brokenrecordpodcast.com/episode-13-andre-3000-and-rick-rubin-in-conversation

change display name (Jordan), Saturday, 31 October 2020 19:00 (three years ago) link

I used to not like Stankonia as much as the earlier albums but it really opened up to me as I got deeper into electronic music and now it's my favorite. Beautiful fuckin technicolor fantasia

Get Me Bodied (Extended Mix), Saturday, 31 October 2020 19:24 (three years ago) link

also are y'all talking about the same 3 Stacks who post-Outkast has been putting mindbending verses on the guest rap circuit every time he steps down from the clouds for 15 years?

Get Me Bodied (Extended Mix), Saturday, 31 October 2020 19:25 (three years ago) link

Maybe we should stop writing off Outkast until after Idlewild comes out.

― max (maxreax), Saturday, June 24, 2006 6:06 AM (fourteen years ago)

ding a fuckin ding ding ding

― Forksclovetofu, Saturday, June 24, 2006 6:09 AM (fourteen years ago)

edited for dog profanity (sic), Saturday, 31 October 2020 19:26 (three years ago) link

you know what's actually a really amazing track is "toilet tisha"

the late great, Saturday, 31 October 2020 19:26 (three years ago) link

true

Get Me Bodied (Extended Mix), Saturday, 31 October 2020 19:30 (three years ago) link

but like.... this the Possum Aloysius Jenkins y'all are talking about like he ain't been shit since Aquemini? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEdBe04dwms

Get Me Bodied (Extended Mix), Saturday, 31 October 2020 19:33 (three years ago) link

yeah he has amazing guest verses

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 31 October 2020 19:35 (three years ago) link

you know what's actually a really amazing track is "toilet tisha"

― the late great, Saturday, October 31, 2020 12:26 PM

this would be my honorable mention for the album. great track. almost feels like a genuine classic prince song — and i mean that as a very high compliment.

if anyone else isn't ready to argue with me yet, here: as an album, speakerboxxx is better than stankonia.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Saturday, 31 October 2020 20:19 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXY6_jKH_x4

cointelamateur (m bison), Saturday, 31 October 2020 21:07 (three years ago) link

^^ love that song

glengarry gary beers (voodoo chili), Saturday, 31 October 2020 21:09 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCE5MwAMgNI

cointelamateur (m bison), Saturday, 31 October 2020 21:10 (three years ago) link

oh shit here we go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r1-v5x0aCk

cointelamateur (m bison), Saturday, 31 October 2020 21:10 (three years ago) link

He's still got the juice, but if he doesn't need the money, I respect him for not wanting to turn all eyes on him and do the album/pr/tour thing. It's got to be weird to know that millions of people are going to hear whatever you do and most will be disappointed no matter what.

change display name (Jordan), Saturday, 31 October 2020 21:25 (three years ago) link

"speakerboxxx is better than stankonia."

Some weird kind of cult I'm privy to here

candyman, Saturday, 31 October 2020 23:47 (three years ago) link

Stankonia is one of my favorite albums of all-time, and for a "messy" album, there's almost nothing I'd cut from it. But the hook on "Snappin and Trappin" is pretty annoying

Vinnie, Sunday, 1 November 2020 00:04 (three years ago) link

My only feedback about Stankonia is that Andre was very root with Erykah mama

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 00:26 (three years ago) link

anybody who refuses to fuck with “so fresh so clean” doesn’t deserve music

brimstead, Sunday, 1 November 2020 00:30 (three years ago) link

Made me fall back in love with patty melts

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 00:33 (three years ago) link

"who cares what Andre's "solo career" is like. he's never even released a solo record. his legacy is outkast and an all time mc"

Yes hes an all time mc but hes now got the air of I'm too good to do this but ok sure since his asked if I really must then ok let me be so kind as to gift you an occasional verse when I can spare the time

As for no solo records, uh,there was that love below album, as well as that kids album. I'd say all those generous guest verses constitute a career of a sort

candyman, Sunday, 1 November 2020 00:43 (three years ago) link

https://youtu.be/UbYw1kOBUPA
Was only a few months ago when I discovered this

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 1 November 2020 01:27 (three years ago) link

hes an all time mc but hes now got the air of I'm too good to do this

Andre doesn't owe you anything otm

edited for dog profanity (sic), Sunday, 1 November 2020 03:52 (three years ago) link


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