Oh God, NME Tries To Start Yet Another New Movement ..... SHROOMADELICA - The music movement that will 'weird up your head',

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i dunno. i was pretty offended. i've never actually been to the west country provinces as well.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:18 (twenty years ago) link

the NME should spend some time in the company of the Woronzow catalog and get some clue as to what they're talking about

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:18 (twenty years ago) link

jim, there are about a thousand bands which would fit this bill, and a thousand bands that i love that fit this bill...

the memory band, etc etc.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:19 (twenty years ago) link

sounds like the seed of a new soundoff!!

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:19 (twenty years ago) link

ha ha. jim, i was at universal yesterday making plans and documentation. so funny that you mentioned that!

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:20 (twenty years ago) link

I hate you, Doomie.

Cartman (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:20 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i know.

and i know that ilx sometimes comes from a dark place. but i'm o.k. with that.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:21 (twenty years ago) link

The Earlies album is phenomenal. I want to see you doing that in NME as a lead.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:27 (twenty years ago) link

marcello, is the album out? am behind in promo-time because of move, got 'devil's country' single.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:28 (twenty years ago) link

They've started to send out promos. I only got mine in the post yesterday, so you'll probably get one imminently. There isn't even a title for the album yet but the record itself is amazing. Up there with Sufjan Stevens' "Greetings From Michigan."

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:33 (twenty years ago) link

i've been writing about the earlies since the first single. i think that they are going to be big...!!! am annoyed because my editor took over as big-shot editor for the month of april and my earlies live review got killed for reasons unknown (i.e. the junior editor didnt know who the earlies are...) FUCK ME AM EXCITED.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:34 (twenty years ago) link

wish i'd bought that 10" of theirs now

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:35 (twenty years ago) link

Trying to persuade Uncut to do it as a lead, but when I mentioned it to DP yesterday he shrugged his shoulders and asked me "fancy reviewing the Bay City Rollers compilation?"

Do you reckon my time with Uncut might be coming to an end?...I'm now on the payroll of Time Out, and John Lewis seems to be a million times more open to my ideas. So I'll probably take my Earlies rave review there.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:39 (twenty years ago) link

i dunno, to be honest marcello, new things are coming up for me, and media is a closed public school club for white, affluent middle-class individuals. so i just try to have fun. and am focussing on the indie record company job that i got plus nme writing.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:45 (twenty years ago) link

The Bay City Rollers were a far finer band than any band listed on this thread so far...

x-post, oh dear lord...

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:46 (twenty years ago) link

Didn't they do nu-psychedlia about four or five years ago? Except then apparently it meant the Super Furries and the Flaming Lips and the Beta Band and stuff.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:47 (twenty years ago) link

new music is officially at its lowest point ever, save for a very small handful of bands

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:48 (twenty years ago) link

this kathryn williams covers album is beautiful like a francoise hardy sings in english or something.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:50 (twenty years ago) link

The thread has provided me with some much-needed laffs this morning.

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:53 (twenty years ago) link

'coming from a dark place'

marcello, don't stress and have fun. that's the advice. otherwise 'comes from a dark place'

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:53 (twenty years ago) link

Oh I'm not feeling stressed or particularly dark at the moment, just a bit depressed at the moment for reasons which have nowt to do with the Greater London Music Media.

Actually Kate, d'you fancy doing the Rollers review? I've tried my best with them but even I can't rehabilitate every doe-eyed bubbleboy from the '70s!

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:01 (twenty years ago) link

you never followed up my email, marcello -- so i assumed everything was good and happy in carlin-land.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:03 (twenty years ago) link

hopefully??

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:03 (twenty years ago) link

marcello, have you heard 'john stammers?' it roxxx!

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:08 (twenty years ago) link

Heh heh, don't tempt me, Marcello.

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:12 (twenty years ago) link

(i.e. yes, I would very much like to do it, and I'd like to get paid for doing it, but I don't want to get sucked back into the nebulous world of music journalism.)

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:13 (twenty years ago) link

am going to regret this but what is so nebulous about getting paid for writing and being sent to free shows and getting free music?

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:29 (twenty years ago) link

Jesus Christ (referring back to the original topic of this thread): Does this desperate idea for a new movement mean they'll also be trying to foist Gong and Ozric Tentacles as its forefathers. The earlier post about new music being at its lowest ebb would sound all too plausible were that the case...

M Carty (mj_c), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:30 (twenty years ago) link

i want a magma and goblin revival!

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:31 (twenty years ago) link

New music is great. However, having said that, the stuff I'm excited about this year is all third/fourth/ninth albums by bands I've liked for years.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:32 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sure this will be as big a success for the NME as nwemo was.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:43 (twenty years ago) link

am going to regret this but what is so nebulous about getting paid for writing and being sent to free shows and getting free music?

You agreed with me when we discussed this IRL.

1) All of the above is nice when it's in regard to music that you love and actually want to rave about. But 90% of the music that you will be asked to write about is boring, souless, vapid stuff that inspires no passion, either way. I just can't fake passion I don't feel.

2) It's the "when what you love becomes your job" dilemma that I've suffered with regards to music for quite a while. When it's something fun that you do every now and then for the sheer enjoyment of it, it's great. When your fun-thing hobby becomes your WORK with all the pressures and strains that that entails, what do you have left to kick back and enjoy yourself?

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:06 (twenty years ago) link

Of course there's always been a shroomadelic element to my music.

winterland, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:08 (twenty years ago) link

the earlies. yum yum. the memory band. yum yum. glad to hear that the earlies album on its way . heard ep4 and was mighty impressed. so ta for the tipoff on the lp ..
can i mention Bronze Age Fox here as new music thats worthy then ? cos fuck i heard a Zutons track on Radio6 and damn it depressed me .. second rate cast-offs tis the Scene With No Name all over again .. buncha crap bands all joined at the centre by ignite sanctioned staples

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:19 (twenty years ago) link

this kathryn williams covers album is beautiful like a francoise hardy sings in english or something
ok, i'll bite. what songs does she cover, doomie? i must say i bought Little Black Numbers and instantly regretted it so, y'know, once bitten...

zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:32 (twenty years ago) link

if you didnt like little black numbers then you probably arent going to care for the covers album -- but it is pavement, ivor cutler, big star, nirvana and many others.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:34 (twenty years ago) link

new music is officially at its lowest point ever, save for a very small handful of bands

so so so so so so so so wrong... am hearing a couple of new records a day, at the moment, that are blowing my mind.

But 90% of the music that you will be asked to write about is boring, souless, vapid stuff that inspires no passion, either way. I just can't fake passion I don't feel.

if you pitch for ideas as opposed to being offered them, this isn't the case. i write *a lot*, and i still only really write about the stuff i like, unless its a singles review. i don't really enjoy writing lukewarm/negative reviews - if i dislike something, it goes in the To Sell bin and i move on.

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:34 (twenty years ago) link

re: kate's post. i only write about stuff i like, so point 1, never really figures in.

yeah, wot stevie said.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:35 (twenty years ago) link

also, best mushroom-related track right now is El-P and Camu Tao off the new Def Jux comp... Hilarious, the duo trying to fuck shit up before the mushrooms they've taken kick in. best thing on that comp by miles, too.

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:36 (twenty years ago) link

everything i've ever written i've got through pitching. its harder but more satisfying.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:36 (twenty years ago) link

Stevie, Doomie, there's still no getting around Point 2, which was the ultimate sticking point.

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:39 (twenty years ago) link

after working admin etc -- doing music full time is a joy.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:40 (twenty years ago) link

re: kate's post. i only write about stuff i like, so point 1, never really figures in.

This is a lovely ideal, but the reality is that no matter what you actually end up writing about, you still have to wade through a gigantic fucking shitpile of mediocre demos, CDs and (this is the clincher) awful awful dull gigs to get through to the good stuff - that's the thing that constantly threatens to kill the love for me, and that's what I think Kate's referring to in her first point.

Also, Doomie you're spot-on - Kathryn Williams album's magnificent...

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:41 (twenty years ago) link

2 1/2 years and am still getting 'cited. and happy that i'm actually writing about music. not bad. don't think its going to change for me.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:43 (twenty years ago) link

that's true, kate, but that's true of any job. what keeps me going is the sense that, with each piece (okay, not every single piece) i'm getting better at this. satisfaction with what i've written is a key reason to why i'm doing this (along with, of course, getting paid), and if ever i feel i'm running on autopilot or just phoning it in, i stop myself and change the way i'm approaching the assignment.

it just seems to me, *any* job will get boring, if you let it. for me, as a freelancer, every day is different, every piece is a fucking *challenge* to be better than my last, to achieve some impossible goal of perfection. and i still really really really enjoy writing, and music. i don't think i'll ever tire of either, so to be working with both is a treat.

doomie otm.

This is a lovely ideal, but the reality is that no matter what you actually end up writing about, you still have to wade through a gigantic fucking shitpile of mediocre demos, CDs and (this is the clincher) awful awful dull gigs to get through to the good stuff - that's the thing that constantly threatens to kill the love for me, and that's what I think Kate's referring to in her first point.

charlie sorta otm, too... (and it was great to finally meet you at ATP, when my girlfriend was whupping my ass at airhockey)... i mean, listening to wave after wave of crap can be pretty disheartening, but i fight against that by slamming something 100% assuredly GREAT after listening to lotsa crap (MC5's '66 Breakout' or Duke Ellington's 'Money Train' or anything by the Posies seems to do that at the moment). I mean, being confronted with crap is a downer in any sphere, be it watching movies, reading books, listening to the radio. you just can't let it dowse your essential enthusiasm. i mean, i know that's a danger, but you just *can't*.

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:47 (twenty years ago) link

i write like a retard on ILX.

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:48 (twenty years ago) link

re KW .. the pedro collab that she did on moshi moshi was my fave record of the year it came out. superb stuff. agreed re negative vibes .. only write up stuff i like .. otherwise i would have to change the name of my site .. and that aint going to happen ..

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:54 (twenty years ago) link

Doomie, after working full-time in the music industry for a couple of years, it is a RELIEF and a JOY to working on a database three days a week to pay the bills, and going back to making bubbledrone epics for me alone in my bedroom the other four days.

I'm just *not* a music journalist, it's not my calling, I've never wanted to be one, yet loads of other people have consistently told me (for over ten years now) that I should be one. It's irritating feeling like I have to justify not being one.

Anyway, back on topic... shroomadelica. It's really kind of a cop-out isn't it? Cause, like, Shrooms are the "legal loophole" psychedelic for those too scared to take hardcore, illegal psychedelics.

(I mean, that's not even getting into the stupidity of glamourising hardcore, illegal drug use, but that's another story...)

It perfectly encapsulates the NME mentality, doesn't it? Let's peddle a nice, safe, watered-down, legal version of an already exisiting genre. Sigh.

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:54 (twenty years ago) link

(multiple x-post)

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:54 (twenty years ago) link

i love music.

i love psychedelia.

i love illegal drugs.

hey. tailor made!

am listening to kw right now.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:55 (twenty years ago) link

Well, what's so great about The Earlies then? They either sound like Flaming Lips when they have vocals, or they're just electronic noodlers.

bimble (bimble), Sunday, 9 May 2004 08:54 (twenty years ago) link

they're more graceful, and their melodies are better

the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Sunday, 9 May 2004 08:55 (twenty years ago) link

yes. jim's got it. and they have *insert simon cowell voice* - 'the x-factor'.

doomie x, Sunday, 9 May 2004 08:57 (twenty years ago) link

i mean, listen to manitoba, the earlies, the memory band and then contrast and compare to the beta band (newer stuff) and the bees. no contest.

though that pure reason revolution single is really growing on me as well...!

doomie x, Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:01 (twenty years ago) link

But Doomie, I hyped that Manitoba album, surely you can't like it?

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:09 (twenty years ago) link

pure reason revolution single?

(x post)

bimble (bimble), Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:10 (twenty years ago) link

again, nick, you do not factor in my likes and dislikes.

doomie x, Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:12 (twenty years ago) link

pure reason revolution -- apprentice of the universe. i review them live a few months ago -- and i find myself pulling the single out and listening to it alot lately. its sort of like amonn dull crossed with the monkees.

doomie x, Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:15 (twenty years ago) link

fyi - nick -- dan from manitoba is from a small town outside of my hometown -- dundas, ontario -- and well, sort of been listening and seeing that guy around for ages, long before ilx even.

doomie x, Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:21 (twenty years ago) link

clarification.

dundas is a village connection to my hometown - hamilton. i would recommend neither for a visit. hamilton is a mean-as-fuck crack-eyes faded steeltown.

doomie x, Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:30 (twenty years ago) link

amon duul crossed with the monkees sounds like my cup of tea. cheers.

bimble (bimble), Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:42 (twenty years ago) link

Also, I've been thinking of starting another thread for this, but I've been reluctant. I don't wish to get too off topic, but my burning question is: Did Amon Duul really ever do anything even half as good as Archangel Thunderbird? My compilation tells me to fear the answer.

bimble (bimble), Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:45 (twenty years ago) link

Soap Shop Rock.

Royston, Sunday, 9 May 2004 15:11 (twenty years ago) link

pure reason revolution -- apprentice of the universe. i review them live a few months ago -- and i find myself pulling the single out and listening to it alot lately. its sort of like amonn dull crossed with the monkees.

jesus, this was one of the most horrific shows i've seen all year... like a bunch of hoxton hairdresser born-again christians rocking through the soundtrack of Hair while pulling painful Radiohead faces. one of the guitarists wore the band's own tee shirt too. Icksville, Tennessee...

stevie (stevie), Sunday, 9 May 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

they are from reading!

doomie x, Sunday, 9 May 2004 17:37 (twenty years ago) link

born-again christians rocking through the soundtrack of Hair while pulling painful

ha ha ha! cross that with a pop-prog monkees and you've got it. rocking!

doomie x, Sunday, 9 May 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

they are from reading!

They are? I hadn't noticed (which is quite possible)

mark grout (mark grout), Sunday, 9 May 2004 19:55 (twenty years ago) link

is this anything like weirdo beardcore?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 9 May 2004 20:45 (twenty years ago) link

"I hate stoners. "

me too.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 9 May 2004 22:40 (twenty years ago) link

eleven years pass...

doomie was from Hamilton?

Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 19:39 (eight years ago) link

I think this was the worst 'scene' that NME ever tried to create. ESOJ OTM upthread

Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 19:49 (eight years ago) link

yeah yeah.

i will defend regular fries no matter what micro-genre they get lumped in with.

they were connected, the records were really well produced, had some amazing remixes by the top names of the day, and made tripped out psych-funk-hip hop-rock records.

if, you had no idea re their NME connection, i would suggest that in 10 years you would be hailing them as classics CS

mark e, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 19:57 (eight years ago) link

I heard them at the time and thought they were crap.
Also I dont remember the term 'skunk rock' they got called in that above article.

Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 19:59 (eight years ago) link

i genuinely believe that if you heard the fries debut without any prior knowledge you would enjoy ..

mark e, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 20:01 (eight years ago) link

but i heard them on the evening session before i read about them. I think i got a 12" of theirs for 50p in Impulse Records in Hamilton when it came out.

Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 20:41 (eight years ago) link

There was an attempted NME scene called 'stool' possibly late 90s. Don't think it ever caught on cos it's a shit title.
Despite the crap pun that is true. Think it was singer-songwriter plus band stuff.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 21:49 (eight years ago) link

was that the taking the piss out of noel rock thing?

Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 22:30 (eight years ago) link

yeah, stoolrock was Noely G-based

let no-one live rent free in your butt (sic), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 23:08 (eight years ago) link

also Lo-Fis were great, Regular Fries were good, and if the first Campag album stopped after 45 minutes it'd be a lot better

let no-one live rent free in your butt (sic), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 23:13 (eight years ago) link

despite the ILM consensus 'sic' tells the truth.

also, the second campag velocet album is a lot better than it should have been ..

mark e, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 23:16 (eight years ago) link


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