― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 06:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 06:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― kate, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 06:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― kate, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
It is a peach of an album, it really is, bloody marvellous.
― chris (chris), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
What I like about Capitol K is big PROG ROCK guitar riffs mixed with galloping stuttering dance beatz and occasional passages of gentle shoegazer beauty. If I like that, am I likely to like Manitoba?
― kate, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
The Manitoba album is everything that Nick says, it's got swirly guitars, great drums, fantastic drums, some really good frog noises, there's definitely a sennse of humour in there but it bnever descends to the pits of wacky, it's just great.
― chris (chris), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― chris (chris), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― kate, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― chris (chris), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
[okay, I'm belabouring this, I know -- some things are just funny, intrinsically so, like frogs and chickens]
― David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
― chris (chris), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― alexfack (alexfack), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 10:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 10:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
Three tracks in and I hear MBV guitar fuzz and Spiritualized drones and baa baa baa harmonies and free jazz wibbling and, yes, frog noises. Kate, you'll love it.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 11:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
was this t*ny m*rley, kate? tall guy?
anyway the manitoba album's fantastic.
― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 11:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― cybele (cybele), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
Oh well.
I've got real frogs outside my bedroom winddow and they make all the frog noises I need. Plus you can pick them up and pet them and they're not even that slimey.
Ned, the last track sounds soooooo much like Loveless you have to hear it just for that.
― mei (mei), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
One obvious ref. point = Spiritualized, if Jason had spent his advance on a computer and software rather than drugs and hundreds of session musicians. (Manitoba's got those very droney chords that last exactly one bar and then modulate, just like Spiritualized do). But there are lots of Beatles-y and Byrds-y harmonies in there too. Plus those drums! In short, another genre-busting Leaf label release.
Slight quibble on first listen - some of the tracks are too short! There are lots of ideas and grooves that could have been developed further.
While I'm posting again, the Hot Hot Heat LP is also recommended, albeit for different reasons.
― zebedee, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
Oh well, I'm off to see is there any frog spawn yet.
― mei (mei), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
Of course you'll love it Kate, its Canadian!
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― David Allen, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
Manitoba on the other hand were something else, can't wait to see them again soon.
― ActionJackson, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 10:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 14:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
Hm. That's where I am so far on this so far. So, uh, beats with semi-psychedelic pop rock grooves. It's nice. Nice. But considering all of the praise upthread I am, so far, feeling let down. I was expecting MBV or Spiritualized kinda stuff and instead I'm hearing more...oh, Soup Dragons or Kula Shaker. I'm only on track three so far though, so maybe something will change, or maybe repeated listenings will bring out its charms.
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 3 April 2003 17:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dyson (dyson), Thursday, 3 April 2003 19:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 3 April 2003 22:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
It's not the electro-shoegaze verison of Smile, but it's worth checking out. Better than a lot of the crap I've heard lately.
― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Friday, 4 April 2003 00:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
Gah!
Double gah!
I neeed Manitoba...
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 4 April 2003 01:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 4 April 2003 11:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
X-Ray then by any chance... Up In Flames is a killer record btw... Manitoba did a v good live show at 100 club in london last week if anyone's interested...
― Dave Stelfox, Friday, 4 April 2003 11:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dyson (dyson), Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 5 April 2003 09:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sonny Tremaine (Sonny), Saturday, 5 April 2003 09:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
It's funny how many great records seem to have come from Canada (or Canadians) since my girlfriend moved here from Toronto. Not that the two are related, I'm sure.
― Tag (Tag), Saturday, 5 April 2003 15:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 11:08 (twenty years ago) link
heh. I was waiting for someone to mention this. Haven't seen that remarked upon in too many, or any, really, reviews.
sample email exchange from buddy to me:
"Dude, what's it sound like, anyway?"
"Heh. First track sounds like Chapterhouse with more reverb. This is kinda neat."
[...30 minutes pass...]
"Dude! get this! this is fucking killer!"
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:28 (twenty years ago) link
― kate (kate), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:53 (twenty years ago) link
― kate (kate), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:58 (twenty years ago) link
Nah, not really worth tracking down, but if you see it and its reasonably priced give it a shot. A 2 Disc version with several remixes exists as well. I like the Manitoba album better since its got more Mercury Rev and Sp3 in it. Otherwise the resemblence is striking.
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 19 June 2003 15:02 (twenty years ago) link
Re: up my ass
I just re-read my review & I stand by it completely. I think I did a pretty good job explaining why the record works & who might like it. What were you expecting after reading my review?
I do think that some of the interest in the Manitoba record, at least from people who liked his first album a lot, is that he went in such a completely different direction. At a time when a lot of people are wondering if IDM has reached a cul de sac, he decided to abandon it for retro pop. If you don't care about electronic music or what Snaith did earlier, the record might have just a little less punch.
― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 19 June 2003 15:49 (twenty years ago) link
Nope -- symptomatic of the whole feeling I've got towards listening to music a lot these days, please refer to my various posts on the 'top singles of 2003' thread for more. In this case though, rather than not being all that excited over constant new thrills, I feel dulled by all the Beach Boys/Chapterhouse/Chemicals invocations and can't be bothered to care more. I do again note your comment about sounding like Loveless on its final song but jeez, I've heard enough that wants to sound like Loveless over time after all...
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 June 2003 16:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 June 2003 16:05 (twenty years ago) link
― dyson (dyson), Thursday, 19 June 2003 16:11 (twenty years ago) link
Your review is accurate, I agree, and many people have been praising Up In Flames, so to blame you specifically was a bit harsh. However, I do stand by the claim that if an act like Beulah was to have made this same album, there is little chance it would have garnered an 8.6. Bands shouldn't be given bonus points just for changing their style or doing something unexpected.
I listen to mountains of indie and electronica, but this album just doesn't turn my crank much. For me, it's too much of a rambling mess. I'll take something like that Digital Jockey album anyday over this. I think it's OK, but not fantastic like many people have asserted.
― blutroniq (blutroniq), Thursday, 19 June 2003 18:19 (twenty years ago) link
Also,
Recipe for 'Seething Cozen': just add Four Tet's 'Rounds'.
― Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 June 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link
― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 19 June 2003 19:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 June 2003 21:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:33 (twenty years ago) link
― mei (mei), Friday, 20 June 2003 09:49 (twenty years ago) link
I guess with all the nany-nany-poo-poo's this might not be the best time to mention there'll be some West Coast Manitoba/Dabrye dates in September?
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 20 June 2003 13:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 20 June 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link
― mei (mei), Friday, 20 June 2003 13:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 20 June 2003 13:24 (twenty years ago) link
Speaking of up your ass...
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 20 June 2003 13:52 (twenty years ago) link
Heh... Sorry my British friends for being so Americancentric (we do that). Isn't Manitoba playing Reading/Leeds though? But 'ere's the dates then:
9/18 San Diego - Casbah9/19 LA - Spaceland9/20 San Fran - Bottom of the Hill9/24 Portland - Medicine Hat Plan B9/25 Seattle - Chop Suey9/26 Vancouver - Sonar
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 20 June 2003 14:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 20 June 2003 14:27 (twenty years ago) link
It'll be cool when Dykehouse finally releases his record, so we can match them both up and FITE FITE FITE!
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 20 June 2003 14:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 21 June 2003 10:19 (twenty years ago) link
xx
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 21 June 2003 10:21 (twenty years ago) link
I used to be like Louis.
― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 23 August 2007 13:27 (sixteen years ago) link
Pitchfork tells me it's been 5 years. I have no desire to ever hear this again.
― baaderonixx, Thursday, 3 April 2008 14:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Wow, five years?! That's kind of frightening. I don't listen to this half as often as his last two, but I can still imagine wanting to, and in fact have a couple of times recently.
― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 3 April 2008 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Andorra > Flames > Milk > debut
(but this is all relative to mood, i guess)
― stephen, Thursday, 3 April 2008 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Still enjoyable.
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:19 (fifteen years ago) link
I still need to get hold of Up In Flames and Milk
― bitch hooligan, pussy ass nobrain dårk (country matters), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Weirdly, I have "Start Breaking My Heart" but have almost never listened to it
― bitch hooligan, pussy ass nobrain dårk (country matters), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Milk might actually be my most-played these days, just because it sits very nicely as music for music's sake without being too mentalist or pop.
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:27 (fifteen years ago) link
which is the most mentalist one
― bitch hooligan, pussy ass nobrain dårk (country matters), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Up In Flames, I'd say; it's the most breakneck, ideas-per-minute one. Milk is calmer, more laidback.
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Ha, well, there's actually no guarantee I'd prefer UIF these days. We'll see.
― bitch hooligan, pussy ass nobrain dårk (country matters), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Milk is still pretty fucking mental.
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Up in Flames would be in my top 30 or so albums this decade. A landmark album.
― ilxor, Thursday, 26 February 2009 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Am liking Up In Flames muchly!
― leigh exodus (country matters), Sunday, 22 March 2009 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link
(yeah, I am on a bit of a "soooo what's Southall recommended me during my ILX'n years" tip at present, largely brought about by the dearth of new interesting music in 2009)
― leigh exodus (country matters), Sunday, 22 March 2009 19:26 (fifteen years ago) link
(also brought about by Spotify)
― leigh exodus (country matters), Sunday, 22 March 2009 19:27 (fifteen years ago) link
So far, Milk is possibly even better
― leigh exodus (country matters), Sunday, 22 March 2009 19:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, I think it's a special disc, too. Not as enthusiastic about his work since then.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 22 March 2009 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link
The deluxe edition of UIF is excellent, too. The B-Sides of all his albums are nearly as good as the studio material, and he puts out so much material!
― talrose, Sunday, 22 March 2009 20:33 (fifteen years ago) link
I wasn't feeling Milk too much, but thought Andorra was fantastic -- that was a top 10 of the year for me. It's his shimmery summery psych-"pop" record, if anything is.
― ilxor, Sunday, 22 March 2009 20:37 (fifteen years ago) link