Salem - What kind of music genre is this ?

because we're supposed to be beyond taking offense/expressing disbelief at the use of "rape" in a neologism.

rape gaze bro, come on

im amazed it took this long to come back round

yeah word, the more i think about this i'm just bored with the whole thing, wake me when paedowave hits

(also history mayne i am a herb u know this)

People have been using "rape gaze" for a while...

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22rape+gaze%22

uh it's basically one triangle band that uses it as self description. the p4k guy just couldn't resist giving it currency

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fuck this shit

Reverse trending is one of the biggest sins in pop culture discourse. I mean the heritage in the UK trades is hilarious, but in the net-age it's just embarrassing as shit.

I was coming here to post that I thought Pitchfork's review was actually pretty good. At least, for once, the reviewer writes about what the damn record sounds like.

what is "reverse trending"?

I was coming here to post that I thought Pitchfork's review was actually pretty good. At least, for once, the reviewer writes about what the damn record sounds like.

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the complaint about writers not doing this enough is bullshit largely.

as if only they would say "apocolyptic soundscapes" more often music writing would be better?? dubstep state of mind

ethan made me spit dr pepper all over my keyboard once when he called afu ra "jeru's jeru." salem is like dubstep's dubstep's dubstep

i've listened to this a couple times and i think it's interesting. that sounds like weak praise, but i mean it's holding my interest. i don't know what they think they're doing. the racial queasiness reminds me a lot of pussy galore, of all things. i am put off by the thought that maybe we're supposed to take the rapping seriously. on the record it's just a kind of sound; like they wanted some screw vocals on a song and instead of sampling something they just had one guy do it. all lot of the beats are off-kilter and unfunky and it's hard to tell if this is intentionally jarring or if they just kind of suck at programming. that's part of the "interest", how much of what they're doing is what the mean to be doing.

like it wouldn't even occur to me to criticize them because there's druggy actual-rap out there that's better -- the answer is "of course" and "so what"

aside from the fact that this a positive review of salem, this is one of the first fitzmo reviews to please meh, aside from the "despite all these genre influences they still sound like themselves!" which is always a boring & trite conclusion to draw

also thought it was weird that he singled out the rapping as aesthetically ugly while still generally praising music that is "EQ'd-to-shit" and produces "sheer noise"

the racial queasiness reminds me a lot of pussy galore, of all things.

Everything I've read about these guys sounds kinda like a post-hiphop Royal Trux.

that's giving them a bit too much credit, really.

haha I guess, though aside from a few songs I've never gotten the Royal Trux hype either

xpost Cmon. I love this record but that does a disservice to the greatest rock and roll band America has produced in the last 25 years.

this, otoh:

on the record it's just a kind of sound; like they wanted some screw vocals on a song and instead of sampling something they just had one guy do it

is otm.

I'm not sure how many people are familiar with the phenomonen of Christopher Weingarten, but he's the former drummer of Parts & Labor turned into some sort of faintly terrifying meta-hipster who writes for Village Voice and advocates twitrter based music journalism. At present his last tweet says 'So which alt-weekly music section or sub-Mog meme-hunter is gonna do the definitive Google-bait blog post on "What Is Rape Gaze?"', which sort of lets you know what you're getting yourself in for.

LOL. From here: http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4269138?community-latest

And it turns out the Google-bait has been gobbled up by, you guessed it....

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/archives/2010/10/the_horrifyingl.php

if i understand correctly, reverse trending is an if->then logical fallacy, where someone makes a claim, which logically leads to a second claim. you show the second claim, and then assume the first. the problem is that if->then logic doesn't work that way (if =! if and only if, or if =! iff for logicians out there)

that should have read something like, "you show that the second claim is true and then conclude that the first claim must also be true"

i'm not really clear how this applies to wack new styles of indie rock but i'm curious to hear

i thought you like these guys!

-d

he liked dj nate too iirc

So am I the only one who hears Excepter when I listen to Salem? Or do people just not care about Excepter anymore?

I never got Royal Trux either. To call them a great rock band demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the term "rock."

Loved Pussy Galore, though; still listen to them all the time. You could ram a cattle prod up each member of Salem's asses and they wouldn't muster 1/1000 the energy of PG.

it's not the energy level that made me think of them

I love Excepter but haven't been impressed by any of the Salem tracks I've heard...

xp

You could ram a cattle prod up each member of Salem's asses and they wouldn't muster 1/1000 the energy of PG.

Depends -- is the cattle prod a top or a bottom?

ILX field trip to Salem, MA this Halloween!

Moonship otm in syllogistic terms; you frame a context in which a trend is suggested or defined, and if that framework is affirmed by acceptance, odds are the components - which can be fake events, genres, people, whatever you like - will be affirmed transitively. It's more difficult to do with facts and people, but lazily easy to dick around with in music and art criticism. It's an abuse of position, self-amusement, hype; which is all Larry's guilty of. People would be less apoplectic if he'd been clumsier or the term was less plausibly true. Rape-gaze is slick execution - a lot of the reactions are about people fearing they're out of the loop, hereslookin@u - but it's a trick I loathe in any case.

'innovation' covered by music writing often becomes a part of how music develops tho (by music writing i mean ... discourse around music)

years of ppl talking about timbaland = indie artists start imitating timbaland etc

what i mean is that talk is just as much a part of music as music is slippery slope etc

in this case i more or less agree but thought that was worth pointing out

No, of course, I mean...I'm not indicting the guy's review, it's better than most, and it measures up to the amount of (inter-crit/media) attention the record's drummed up. It's just that "rape-gaze" to me smacks of "wish I thought of chillwave".

should have gone w/ 'stillbornwave'

'death panels'

OH MAN

http://twitter.com/1000timesyes

Someone is going to play Chilean miners a Salem record and they'll ask to be put back in the hole.
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looooooooooool

rmde

that was 'heh' funny not 'loooooooool' funny

"and i know because no one i know thinks that's funny"

dawg that was a leno punchline

PLZ KEEP WHINEY/DEEJ BEEF OUT OF THIS IMPORTANT THREAD

ilxor feels like a twitter aggregator more and more which is kind of sad 2 me all these yrs l8r.

deej,

i mean, i def agree with you that it's a not-very-good joke. i'm just saying let ilxor say something nice to me ffs

http://pics4.city-data.com/cpicc/cfiles26006.jpg
has someone already posted a pic of this? i think this is where witch house was invented all those years ago in Salem MA.

ilxor feels like a twitter aggregator more and more which is kind of sad 2 me all these yrs l8r.

??

i *do* like salem, at about 7.5 level, but the idea of an entire genre of salem-alikes is disturbing

cf i like emeralds and ducktails but i think triangle music / chillwave as a whole is pretty gross

anyway i don't really like or dislike music - i either don't care or have a love-hate relationship, tbh