NOMINATIONS THREAD for ILM's Alltime Best Techno/Electronic/Ambient/etc TRACKS poll (nominations end 9/30/10 11:59 PDT)

autechre - vletrmx

Well either we have an artificial boundary that everyone hates or we have a free-for-all that everyone hates.

xp to PiSC - that's kind of like what I was suggesting, except I proposed folding elegibility into the overall voting. Borderline tracks would fall down the ranking because fewer people would consider voting for them.

i say let gear decide, it's his poll. He decides we all abide by it.

let geir decide.

xp But I don't think votes should have two orthogonal meanings. If track X gets more votes than track Y, it's not going to be very satisfying to be left wondering if more voters like track X or if more voters think track Y was a bad fit for the poll...

LOL yes, let Geir decide!

also nominating

Sven Vaeth - An Accident In Paradise
Enigma - The Principles of Lust
A Split Second - Flesh
The Shamen - You and Me and Everything
Ministry - The Nature of Love
DJ Dick - Weekend
Boneshakers - One Step Ahead
Speedy J - The Wicked Saw
The Prodigy - One Love
Yolk - Music For Da People
808 State - San Francisco
Deep Blue - The Helicopter Tune
Omni Trio - Step Off
Altern8 - Brutal-8-E
Human Resource - Dominator
80 AUM - Mind Controller

Nine Inch Nails - Gave Up (remixed by Coil with Danny Hyde)

Apotheosis - O Fortuna

Oh, I forgot to add my Altern8 choices

Altern8 - Infiltrate 202 & E-vapor-8

Can I add things like
C&C Music Factory - Gonna Make You Sweat
Snap!- I Got The Power
Black Box - Everybody Everybody

...or am I gonna get laughed off the thread for that?

Those are good, I'm googling now to make sure the guitars on "I Got the Power" are sampled.

btw can someone who isn't about to leave work make sure all of the tracks from The Joint are nominated because they all really should be

The "I Got The Power" guitars are pretty much the definition of sampled guitars. Ha ha. In fact, didn't they just sample a singer and stick a model in the video? Or was that Black Box?

Let's be fair and admit 'Being boiled' is closer to modern electronic genres than to pop or rock. If we're going to veto this one we might as well veto kraftwerk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRC9K7iLUAw

Love action on the other hand... well, yes that one is perhaps closer to synth-pop.

Where does Gary Numan fit into this debate?

What I'd really like to know is where does Xenakis and Stockhausen fit into this debate?

Yes to "Being Boiled" which slots nicely alongside Cabaret Voltaire, The Normal, Kraftwerk, etc.

No to "Love Action" even though it's an incredible song.

I say a yay on Xenakis and Stockhausen because they probably won't make it into the top 100 anyway (but deserve to).

Come to think off it they'd probably fare better on the ALBUMS poll though... I also doubt they have a chance at breaking the top 100 but still...

oh boy

Oni Ayhun - OAR-003B
Underworld - Born Slippy
Aphex Twin - Bucephalus Bouncing Ball

thread totally incomplete

sorta convinced this was a trolly exercise?

oh look it's mr techno expert deej

?? ive never claimed to be a 'techno expert' altho i prob know a lot more stuff (altho more chi house related) than u realize, its just that this is a huge gigantic genre & i dunno a "ROCK MUSIC" nominations poll would seem equally daunting 2 me. i mean, we have fukkin four tet nominated and no one yet mentioned the percolator

when i think classics of 'techno electronic ambient' i think of max tundra but not any derrick may!!

but w/e have your fun

"thanks, democracy!" - DA HOOL

that's supposed to be a quote, not a nom

the agony of bungled zings

tbh i am w/ deej on this, reading the nominations so far has really dampened my enthusiasm for the thing

basically my issue is the pointless eclecticism

like maybe if we had a conversation about how "the bells" stacks up to "the percolator" or source direct to photek or "mushrooms" vs "in the trees" or whatever we'd be able to do some meaningful inquiry, get at what makes a genre tick and dissect it's conventions and values

fuck, we could even indulge ilm's pathetic boner for poptimism and do "energy flash" vs "sandstorms"

but instead we're descending into the dank anus of record-collector nerdery, and in the end we're going to get kluster next to kompakt next to kenny dixon jr and we'll pat ourselves on the back at a list only slightly less lame than the one in "losing my edge"

lol'n p hard @ "meaningful inquiry"

can't we do this after the poll?

i would like to point out that the notion of an ilm poll results thread ending with every clapping each other on the back and saying, "good show, everyone" is pure fantasy considering poll results threads have likely led to destroyed friendships, uncalled-for epithets, and murders yet to be solved.

descending into the dank anus of record-collector nerdery

obvious 'new board description' comment here

Here's some noms from me:

Love Inc. - R.E.S.P.E.C.T.
Laurent X - Machines
K. Hand - Horizon (Original Mix)
Hardfloor - Once Again Back
Paperclip People - Paperclip Man
Ellen Allien - Bim
Air Liquide - Chromoplastics
Air Liquide - Space Brothers
Air Liquide - Liquid Men with Liquid Hearts
Air Liquide - Liquid Air (Bionaut Mix)
Gemini - Pelargonium
Ian Pooley - Chord Memory (Daft Punk Mix)
Hell - Berimbau
Hell - Let No Man Jack
4 Hero - Wrinkles in Time
4 Hero - Universal Love (Goldie Mix)
Genaside II - Narra Mine
2 Lone Swordsmen - Sticky
Neotropic - Laundry Pt. 3
All Saints - Chick Fit (Kissy Sell Out's Excellent Adventure Remix)
Josh Wink - Higher State of Consciousness (Tweekin' Acid Funk Mix)
Charles B - Lack of Love
Digital - Special Mission
Herbie Hancock - Rain Dance
Sparks - The Number One Song in Heaven
Donna Summer - Love To Love You Baby (Come On Over To My Place Version)
Patrick Cowley - Sea Hunt
Sylvester - You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real)
T Power - Thirteen Over For
Carl Craig - At Les
Rythim Is Rythim - Nude Photo
Model 500 - No UFO's (Vocal)
Jonzun Crew - We Are the Jonzun Crew
Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing
Technohead - I Wanna Be a Hippy (Original Mix)
Nonplace Urban Field - Whimp
Skrupel feat. Dani B - Reminder (Director's Cut)
Touch and Go - Would You...?
Marusha - Raveland
Jam & Spoon - Odyssey to Anyoona
Yello - Bostich (Westbam's Hands on Yello Remix)
Jahcoozi - BLN
Pole - Raum 1 (Variation by Burnt Friedman)
Alter Ego - Cyaz Pt. 1
Lazonby - Sacred Cycles (Jens Mahlstedt Mix)
Nicolette - No Government
The Bionaut - Vitagraph
Rhythm & Sound feat. Tikiman - What a Mistry
Anne Clark - Our Darkness (Hardfloor '97 Version)

Modjo - Lady
Moloko - Sing It Back
Aeroplane - Whispers
Air France - No Excuses
Ed Rush, Optikal & Fierce - Cutslo (Lokuste Mix)
Fuzzy Logic ft Egypt - In The Morning
Hot Chip - Over & Over
Armand van Helden - You Don't Know Me
Armand van Helden - My My My
Bucketheads - The Bomb!
KLF - 3am Eternal
The Orb - Little Fluffy Clouds
Afrika Bambaataa - Planet Rock
Cyber People - Void Vision
Paul Hardcastle - Nineteen
2 Unlimited - No Limit
2 Unlimited - Get Ready For This
T2 - Heartbroken
Shy FX - Shake Your Body
Smoke City - Underwater Love
So Solid Crew - 21 Seconds
Puretone - Addicted To Bass
Stardust - Music Sounds Better With You
Thomas Bangalter - I Got So Much Love To Give

hey i found a shortcut:

http://www.discogs.com/advanced_search?genre=electronic&btn=Search+Releases

only 58,301 pages to scroll through.

We just need someone's dog to keep us focused on what's true and what's false.

sorry deej i was just playing

as i said in the other thread, considering how popular these nomination threads have been how come the rolling dance threads and related are such barren waste lands lately? is it just a sad fact of ilm that mindless listing and cataloguing is always gonna win out over actual meaningful discussion? i guess i know the answer to that but still, surely it's just as much effort to make these polls (which for the record i've never participated in and don't intend to) and vote in them as it is to i dunno post in the techno/house of the past thread about the hi hats in "forever monna" or whatever?

i don't want to spoil ya'lls fun anyway, i'm just honestly interested as to why so few of the dance music experts in this thread don't express their love of the music elsewhere

Me, personally? Because a couple of years ago, when I first turned up on dance threads asking questions that were taken to be stupid, I was told by a couple of the denizens within "OMG, if *she* starts getting into dance music, I'm getting out of it" - which can kind of put you off a bit.

Also because a lot of the things I'm interested in tend to be historically focused rather than sifting through the sea of newness to find stuff I'd like. With regards to new stuff, I'd rather read people who know their stuff than me shooting my mouth off and probably being told I'm wrong. I read the general thread, I certainly listen to the YouTubes but I don't think I have the knowledge to go much further unless a very specific thing is being discussed.

My presence here is v. dilettantish - I'm far from an expert on dance and my electronic tastes are to a large extent offshoots of my love for disco and Krautrock. I can talk Italo/early house/IDM/Hyperdub/beardo ok but I had never heard The Percolator until deej's rant above.

I agree there's a lower barrier to entry on a poll thread than on a Rolling Dance one, which probably works well for outsiders like me who come to learn and annoys insiders who are capable of arguing about hi hats and coffee pots. Depending on how this all works out I may or may not vote in the poll, it's not so important to me. In the metal poll (also characterised by subgenre territorialism and true/false oppositions) I didn't feel qualified to nominate or vote but I enjoyed the results rundown a great deal, heard a lot of new music and came away feeling I'd learned something. I'm hoping for similar outcomes here.

I'm kinda like Kate: these days I don't really follow new trends in dance/electronic music quite as actively as I did in the 90s, so I don't feel like I have much to contribute to the on-going "bobbins" threads. As for the "bobbins of the past" thread, it seems to be focused mostly on the sort of stuff I'm not very familiar with. My biggest love in electronic music is (pretty much) German non-minimal techno/house/dance of the 90s, but that isn't discussed much on ILM. I even started a thread about it, but it wasn't a success:

A Youtube/discussion thread for non-minimal German techno/rave/house/trance of the 90s (and beyond)

pretty much what Seandalai said, though my areas of semi-expertise are different. Looking forward to seeing how the chips fall, arbitrarily as they may.

lolling that ppl are bitching about "The Percolator" not being nominated while failing to nominate it

PS, I nominate:

Cajmere - The Percolator

like, obviously the way to solve the problem of the wrong songs being nominated is to NOMINATE THE SONGS YOU THINK ARE THE RIGHT ONES, otherwise you're just being a dick

I suspect this will be waaay more divisive than the metal poll. What ever your preferred metal sub-genre, there's still a sense of everyone pulling in the same direction for a common cause and aesthetic. Not so with dance, inter-scene rivally can be very fucking snarky. Part of the fun I guess.

happy hardcore = the hair metal of electronic?

nah, but only because I like happy hardcore