man you're a fast typer.
― ledge, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
xp great trolling, A+
― Neil S, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
All I'm really saying is that PSB have done enough house-y and techno-y songs that blanket dismissing them seems wrong.
Having said that, I'd never nominate "Love Comes Quickly" not because I don't love it, but because it doesn't seem to fit what the poll is talking about.
― and by "Heavens!" i mean WATERFALLS OF BIDDY (HI DERE), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I still go by my drum machine/acoustic drums dichotomy.
If it's got a drum machine on it, it's allowed.Acoustic drums, it's not.
(A human playing electronic drum pads is admitted only if no acoustic drums are used.)
― cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
wait, does that mean I get no nominate songs off of Invisible Touch
― and by "Heavens!" i mean WATERFALLS OF BIDDY (HI DERE), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
No, because there's guitars on that.
― cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
There are guitars on The Campfire Headphase, so does that mean I don't get to nominate "Chromakey Dreamcoat"?
― and by "Heavens!" i mean WATERFALLS OF BIDDY (HI DERE), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4rvvxqT6WE
― Gorecki or Go Home (Paul in Santa Cruz), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
also, do I not get to nominate Eskimos And Egypt's "Welcome to the Future" or any Digital Hardcore Recordings artists?
― and by "Heavens!" i mean WATERFALLS OF BIDDY (HI DERE), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Or TC 1992's "Funky Guitar"?
I'm still afraid of the Campfire Headphase.
― cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Guitar samples are ok maybe?
I'm guilty of nomming some Italo/synthpop stuff above (on the basis that similar had already been posted), I don't mind retracting them if they're outside whatever boundaries get decided on...But purging everything that's a "pop song" will end up dumping Kraftwerk and the Vengaboys (among others)!
An alternative would be to accept whatever people suggest but ask voters to take into account whether a track falls into their personal "techno/electronic/ambient/etc" canon - the purist vote will make sure that Human League or whoever don't dominate but there will be a sprinkling of pop classics in there with the bobbins and bangers.
― seandalai, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
A sample of a guitar is alright if you are using a drum machine. But live guitars *and* acoustic drums = rock and I'm not having it. ;-)
― cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
autechre - arch carrierautechre - v-procunderworld - moanervitalic - la rock 01
― peter in montreal, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
no guitars so no dirty epic by underworld then?
plus nine inch nails and other industrial acts have tons of tracks with no guitars but has drum machine
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
lionrock are fucked too then, plus a whole host of mid 90s dance for using a guitar.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
btw I am formally nominating
TC 1992 - Funky GuitarBoards of Canada - Chromakey Dreamcoat
― and by "Heavens!" i mean WATERFALLS OF BIDDY (HI DERE), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Half serious: we could vote first on whether each nominee fits under the intended techno/electronic/ambient/etc umbrella (yes/no/idk per nominee). Tracks with more yes than no votes would go through to the final ballot. This would surely lead to lots of pissed off ILXors and entertaining internet arguments!
― Gorecki or Go Home (Paul in Santa Cruz), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
autechre - vletrmx
― peter in montreal, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Well either we have an artificial boundary that everyone hates or we have a free-for-all that everyone hates.
xp to PiSC - that's kind of like what I was suggesting, except I proposed folding elegibility into the overall voting. Borderline tracks would fall down the ranking because fewer people would consider voting for them.
― seandalai, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i say let gear decide, it's his poll. He decides we all abide by it.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
let geir decide.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
xp But I don't think votes should have two orthogonal meanings. If track X gets more votes than track Y, it's not going to be very satisfying to be left wondering if more voters like track X or if more voters think track Y was a bad fit for the poll...
LOL yes, let Geir decide!
― Gorecki or Go Home (Paul in Santa Cruz), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
also nominating
Sven Vaeth - An Accident In ParadiseEnigma - The Principles of LustA Split Second - FleshThe Shamen - You and Me and EverythingMinistry - The Nature of LoveDJ Dick - WeekendBoneshakers - One Step AheadSpeedy J - The Wicked SawThe Prodigy - One LoveYolk - Music For Da People808 State - San FranciscoDeep Blue - The Helicopter TuneOmni Trio - Step OffAltern8 - Brutal-8-EHuman Resource - Dominator80 AUM - Mind Controller
― and by "Heavens!" i mean WATERFALLS OF BIDDY (HI DERE), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Nine Inch Nails - Gave Up (remixed by Coil with Danny Hyde)
― ledge, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Apotheosis - O Fortuna
― and by "Heavens!" i mean WATERFALLS OF BIDDY (HI DERE), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, I forgot to add my Altern8 choices
Altern8 - Infiltrate 202 & E-vapor-8
Can I add things likeC&C Music Factory - Gonna Make You SweatSnap!- I Got The PowerBlack Box - Everybody Everybody
...or am I gonna get laughed off the thread for that?
― cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Those are good, I'm googling now to make sure the guitars on "I Got the Power" are sampled.
― Gorecki or Go Home (Paul in Santa Cruz), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
btw can someone who isn't about to leave work make sure all of the tracks from The Joint are nominated because they all really should be
― and by "Heavens!" i mean WATERFALLS OF BIDDY (HI DERE), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
The "I Got The Power" guitars are pretty much the definition of sampled guitars. Ha ha. In fact, didn't they just sample a singer and stick a model in the video? Or was that Black Box?
― cymose corymb (Karen D. Tregaskin), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Let's be fair and admit 'Being boiled' is closer to modern electronic genres than to pop or rock. If we're going to veto this one we might as well veto kraftwerk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRC9K7iLUAw
― Moka, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Love action on the other hand... well, yes that one is perhaps closer to synth-pop.
― Moka, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Where does Gary Numan fit into this debate?
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
What I'd really like to know is where does Xenakis and Stockhausen fit into this debate?
― Moka, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes to "Being Boiled" which slots nicely alongside Cabaret Voltaire, The Normal, Kraftwerk, etc.
No to "Love Action" even though it's an incredible song.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
I say a yay on Xenakis and Stockhausen because they probably won't make it into the top 100 anyway (but deserve to).
― Captain Ahab, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Come to think off it they'd probably fare better on the ALBUMS poll though... I also doubt they have a chance at breaking the top 100 but still...
― Moka, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:03 (thirteen years ago) link
oh boy
― ('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Oni Ayhun - OAR-003BUnderworld - Born SlippyAphex Twin - Bucephalus Bouncing Ball
― bike chain dust? (lukas), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
thread totally incomplete
― you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
sorta convinced this was a trolly exercise?
― you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
oh look it's mr techno expert deej
― lao gan ma (r1o natsume), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link
?? ive never claimed to be a 'techno expert' altho i prob know a lot more stuff (altho more chi house related) than u realize, its just that this is a huge gigantic genre & i dunno a "ROCK MUSIC" nominations poll would seem equally daunting 2 me. i mean, we have fukkin four tet nominated and no one yet mentioned the percolator
― you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:09 (thirteen years ago) link
when i think classics of 'techno electronic ambient' i think of max tundra but not any derrick may!!
― you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link
but w/e have your fun
― you cant see me markers (deej), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
"thanks, democracy!" - DA HOOL
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
that's supposed to be a quote, not a nom
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
the agony of bungled zings
tbh i am w/ deej on this, reading the nominations so far has really dampened my enthusiasm for the thing
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link
basically my issue is the pointless eclecticism
like maybe if we had a conversation about how "the bells" stacks up to "the percolator" or source direct to photek or "mushrooms" vs "in the trees" or whatever we'd be able to do some meaningful inquiry, get at what makes a genre tick and dissect it's conventions and values
fuck, we could even indulge ilm's pathetic boner for poptimism and do "energy flash" vs "sandstorms"
but instead we're descending into the dank anus of record-collector nerdery, and in the end we're going to get kluster next to kompakt next to kenny dixon jr and we'll pat ourselves on the back at a list only slightly less lame than the one in "losing my edge"
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link
lol'n p hard @ "meaningful inquiry"
― swagula (Lamp), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link