NOMINATIONS THREAD for ILM's Alltime Best Techno/Electronic/Ambient/etc TRACKS poll (nominations end 9/30/10 11:59 PDT)

16b 'secrets'

Not sure it was intended to open the door to every pop song that uses a synthesizer...

I wouldn't say that, but I would say that the Human League and Pet Shop Boys are important enough in the history of electronic pop music to be included. If we're excising all electronic pop simply because it is pop, then this should have been made clear at the outset, and the parameters more strictly defined.

i assume "electronic" isn't actually meant to be taken in its broadest sense, otherwise let's just throw open the doors to every digitally-produced song ever?

no-one ever suggested that. but the pet shop boys make music with electronic instruments ergo it's electronic music. we are, basically, speaking of a methodology here, not an aesthetic.

Cool, I'll nominate some random shit w/ synthesizers, too:

The Who - Baba O'Riley
Van Halen - Jump
Rush - Tom Sawyer
Europe - The Final Countdown
Muse - Bliss
Pink Floyd - Eclipse
Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams
Kate Bush - Running Up That Hill
Sarah Brightman and Steve Harley - The Phantom of the Opera
A Flock of Seagulls - I Ran
Kool and the Gang - Summer Madness
Duran Duran - Hungry like the Wolf
Emerson, Lake and Palmer - Lucky Man
Cameo - Word Up
Passion Pit - Sleepyhead
Owl City - Fireflies

OH HOW COULD I FORGET

Owl City - Vanilla Twilight

man you're a fast typer.

xp great trolling, A+

All I'm really saying is that PSB have done enough house-y and techno-y songs that blanket dismissing them seems wrong.

Having said that, I'd never nominate "Love Comes Quickly" not because I don't love it, but because it doesn't seem to fit what the poll is talking about.

I still go by my drum machine/acoustic drums dichotomy.

If it's got a drum machine on it, it's allowed.
Acoustic drums, it's not.

(A human playing electronic drum pads is admitted only if no acoustic drums are used.)

wait, does that mean I get no nominate songs off of Invisible Touch

No, because there's guitars on that.

There are guitars on The Campfire Headphase, so does that mean I don't get to nominate "Chromakey Dreamcoat"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4rvvxqT6WE

also, do I not get to nominate Eskimos And Egypt's "Welcome to the Future" or any Digital Hardcore Recordings artists?

Or TC 1992's "Funky Guitar"?

I'm still afraid of the Campfire Headphase.

Guitar samples are ok maybe?

I'm guilty of nomming some Italo/synthpop stuff above (on the basis that similar had already been posted), I don't mind retracting them if they're outside whatever boundaries get decided on...But purging everything that's a "pop song" will end up dumping Kraftwerk and the Vengaboys (among others)!

An alternative would be to accept whatever people suggest but ask voters to take into account whether a track falls into their personal "techno/electronic/ambient/etc" canon - the purist vote will make sure that Human League or whoever don't dominate but there will be a sprinkling of pop classics in there with the bobbins and bangers.

A sample of a guitar is alright if you are using a drum machine. But live guitars *and* acoustic drums = rock and I'm not having it. ;-)

autechre - arch carrier
autechre - v-proc
underworld - moaner
vitalic - la rock 01

no guitars so no dirty epic by underworld then?

plus nine inch nails and other industrial acts have tons of tracks with no guitars but has drum machine

lionrock are fucked too then, plus a whole host of mid 90s dance for using a guitar.

btw I am formally nominating

TC 1992 - Funky Guitar
Boards of Canada - Chromakey Dreamcoat

Half serious: we could vote first on whether each nominee fits under the intended techno/electronic/ambient/etc umbrella (yes/no/idk per nominee). Tracks with more yes than no votes would go through to the final ballot. This would surely lead to lots of pissed off ILXors and entertaining internet arguments!

autechre - vletrmx

Well either we have an artificial boundary that everyone hates or we have a free-for-all that everyone hates.

xp to PiSC - that's kind of like what I was suggesting, except I proposed folding elegibility into the overall voting. Borderline tracks would fall down the ranking because fewer people would consider voting for them.

i say let gear decide, it's his poll. He decides we all abide by it.

let geir decide.

xp But I don't think votes should have two orthogonal meanings. If track X gets more votes than track Y, it's not going to be very satisfying to be left wondering if more voters like track X or if more voters think track Y was a bad fit for the poll...

LOL yes, let Geir decide!

also nominating

Sven Vaeth - An Accident In Paradise
Enigma - The Principles of Lust
A Split Second - Flesh
The Shamen - You and Me and Everything
Ministry - The Nature of Love
DJ Dick - Weekend
Boneshakers - One Step Ahead
Speedy J - The Wicked Saw
The Prodigy - One Love
Yolk - Music For Da People
808 State - San Francisco
Deep Blue - The Helicopter Tune
Omni Trio - Step Off
Altern8 - Brutal-8-E
Human Resource - Dominator
80 AUM - Mind Controller

Nine Inch Nails - Gave Up (remixed by Coil with Danny Hyde)

Apotheosis - O Fortuna

Oh, I forgot to add my Altern8 choices

Altern8 - Infiltrate 202 & E-vapor-8

Can I add things like
C&C Music Factory - Gonna Make You Sweat
Snap!- I Got The Power
Black Box - Everybody Everybody

...or am I gonna get laughed off the thread for that?

Those are good, I'm googling now to make sure the guitars on "I Got the Power" are sampled.

btw can someone who isn't about to leave work make sure all of the tracks from The Joint are nominated because they all really should be

The "I Got The Power" guitars are pretty much the definition of sampled guitars. Ha ha. In fact, didn't they just sample a singer and stick a model in the video? Or was that Black Box?

Let's be fair and admit 'Being boiled' is closer to modern electronic genres than to pop or rock. If we're going to veto this one we might as well veto kraftwerk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRC9K7iLUAw

Love action on the other hand... well, yes that one is perhaps closer to synth-pop.

Where does Gary Numan fit into this debate?

What I'd really like to know is where does Xenakis and Stockhausen fit into this debate?

Yes to "Being Boiled" which slots nicely alongside Cabaret Voltaire, The Normal, Kraftwerk, etc.

No to "Love Action" even though it's an incredible song.

I say a yay on Xenakis and Stockhausen because they probably won't make it into the top 100 anyway (but deserve to).

Come to think off it they'd probably fare better on the ALBUMS poll though... I also doubt they have a chance at breaking the top 100 but still...

oh boy

Oni Ayhun - OAR-003B
Underworld - Born Slippy
Aphex Twin - Bucephalus Bouncing Ball

thread totally incomplete

sorta convinced this was a trolly exercise?

oh look it's mr techno expert deej

?? ive never claimed to be a 'techno expert' altho i prob know a lot more stuff (altho more chi house related) than u realize, its just that this is a huge gigantic genre & i dunno a "ROCK MUSIC" nominations poll would seem equally daunting 2 me. i mean, we have fukkin four tet nominated and no one yet mentioned the percolator

when i think classics of 'techno electronic ambient' i think of max tundra but not any derrick may!!