fuck, i was going to DL like 3 gigs today for a dj set this week.
and i had just made power user ;_;
― gr8080, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 19:01 (sixteen years ago) link
A stolen candybar is not a lost sale. The kids with the most candy are hoarding them because they can, not because they're trying to save money on paying for candy. No one is ever going to go out and buy 5-10 snickers bars a week, but that's about how many a good chunk of us download.
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 19:09 (sixteen years ago) link
i wish i could illegally download a corporate milky way right now
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 19:10 (sixteen years ago) link
No one is ever going to go out and buy 5-10 snickers bars a week
RONG.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 19:12 (sixteen years ago) link
snickers-breath
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 19:33 (sixteen years ago) link
<i>Along with every other indie college kid, 90% of the shows I go to I wouldn't of gone to if I didn't d/l the album. 90% of the albums I buy I wouldn't have bought if I hadn't downloaded them prior.</i>
!! 'cos no-one went to shows or bought records before oink was invented!
― byebyepride, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 19:41 (sixteen years ago) link
Limited edition OiNK Snickers bar:
http://www.slashfood.com/media/2007/02/snickersbacon.jpg
― StanM, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Home killing is, er, in Soviet Russia, er, oh, nevermind.
― StanM, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 19:43 (sixteen years ago) link
doesn't mean it isn't true? i haven't read the article, but just because college kids went to shows without having downloaded the album 20 years ago doesn't mean they still do
― lucas pine, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 19:50 (sixteen years ago) link
i could never get an invite, so i'm glad the fuckers went down
-- mitya, Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:56 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
^^^ this. Oink Administrator burned me.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 19:54 (sixteen years ago) link
opinion piece on oink from dj rupture
― lucas pine, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:03 (sixteen years ago) link
"Word is the Danish branch of the IFPI has "seriously proposed" allowing peer-to-peer downloading in exchange for a small monthly fee charged to all ISP users."
http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/10/music_industry.html
???
(via Coolfer)
― StanM, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:06 (sixteen years ago) link
DJ Rupture OTM. Especially about digital music having to be talked about in commons analogies now. No scarcity=no money, basically.
― stet, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link
i would pay a small monthly fee to the danish branch of the IFPI to use oink.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link
i would pay a small monthly fee to all of this white girls
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link
^^also.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link
don't look now, but indietorrents appears to have gone into hiding.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link
has dj spooky weighed in yet
― am0n, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link
or dj martian
― jeff, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:47 (sixteen years ago) link
hypothetical question cos I'm not very smart with this stuff: if you download but piggyback your wireless, do you technically not have your own isp and therefore potentially get others (you're borrowing bandwidth from) into trouble?
― paulhw, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
<i>Aside: If Radiohead (the British rock band who achieved worldwide success via a long-term mutually-beneficial relationship with a major record label) were truly radical, they would have posted their new album as a BitTorrent file with a PayPal & bank account link for the fans who felt like paying. Not hosting it on some weird website with an awkward interface & requiring credit card info…</i>
Uh huh...
― Eppy, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
-- paulhw, Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:50 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
lol in the uk i think people have been prosecuted for stealing wifi.
they could 'piggyback' piracy + wireless theft rofl
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (sixteen years ago) link
on the flip side, people used having wifi as a way out of being prosecuted for a while, since the downloading could theoretically have been done by anyone in the vicinity
― lucas pine, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (sixteen years ago) link
in that case i'm golden.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:28 (sixteen years ago) link
it doesn't work anymore
― lucas pine, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:32 (sixteen years ago) link
ho-hum.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:35 (sixteen years ago) link
so hands up who re-downloaded soulseex tonite
― ^@^, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:53 (sixteen years ago) link
http://enjoys.it/2007/10/23/some-facts-and-some-rumors-about-the-oink-takedown/
― stet, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:12 (sixteen years ago) link
that 'they've never done it before' is ironclad logic
― deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:16 (sixteen years ago) link
if one more person brings up radiohead in the context of oink i'm gonna scream. HELLO THEY ARE PUTTING OUT THEIR CD VIA A REGULAR LABEL. THE NEW MODEL IN ACTION GUYS.
― maura, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link
LOL U SCREAMIN RIGHT NOW!!!
― jhøshea, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link
lol
― maura, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:41 (sixteen years ago) link
When is the regular label CD version of In Rainbows coming out?
― Alba, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:41 (sixteen years ago) link
early next year, reportedly via ato (dave matthews label) in the states and xl internationally
― maura, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:53 (sixteen years ago) link
That's ages away. Donation download is the primary medium in the first few months of release. I don't see how them releasing a regular CD eventually negates it being a new model. Especially if they don't take down the download option once the CD is released (are they going to?). I can't see a problem with linking the two things, maura. Certainly not enough to make you scream!
― Alba, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link
can we unban mickey just for this thread? its not the same without him.
― gr8080, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Eppy, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 06:54 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link
^^^
I tried to buy it through the website (using Linux and Firefox) and couldn't. I tried really hard too. No other website gives that much grief.
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:02 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah i slskd that shit, the website was all kinds of slow
― max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:05 (sixteen years ago) link
gr8080 OTM.
― John Justen, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:05 (sixteen years ago) link
u didn't need 2 give radiohead cc info unless u wanted to.
i have a spare, unlistened, set of mp3s of 'in rainbows' if anyone wants them.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:16 (sixteen years ago) link
hahahaha
― gr8080, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:20 (sixteen years ago) link
-- John Justen, Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:05 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
bring back borchardt for schadenfreude + fun
― deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link
http://bp1.blogger.com/_w6BD02rLjME/Rx5_LZz4o7I/AAAAAAAAADc/Gp_-chtteQo/s1600-h/oink+911+banner.jpg
― Pablo A, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:34 (sixteen years ago) link
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a61/npope3001/oink911banner.jpg
― Pablo A, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:35 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost I don't think coding errors negate the model they're using.
Also, I couldn't have used BitTorrent as of a few months ago--I know it seems like everyone has their own dedicated non-firewalled internet connection these days but lots of people don't. I know torrents don't work on a lot of campus networks, for instance. So coding errors aside, their model reached a lot more model than Mr. Rupture's.
― Eppy, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Model model model argh.
Uh-oh-spagetti-oh!
http://idolator.com/tunes/the-law/the-oink-fallout-should-its-ex+users-be-watching-their-backs-314216.php
― caek, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:52 (sixteen years ago) link
As far as money goes, remember that "commercial advantage or private financial gain" can include the benefits of barter and the like. So the fact that, in your [description of OiNK's ratio rules], "they had to assist in infringement in order to keep infringing" might be enough.
But if RIAA does get the logs and data, then there will be hell to pay for anyone who used credit cards [to donate]; those who maintained membership via upload will be a little harder to trace because you'd have to follow the IP addresses, and ISPs are not always willing to hand over their customers without court orders
My bottom line--there should be some level of fear, but the action is going to be from the RIAA (again), not the feds, unless a new US Attorney General (once confirmed) has a real passion for prosecuting IP violations.
― lucas pine, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 00:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Alba, what they are basically doing is a "media runup" to the CD release where everyone's considered a member of the media. (Citizen journalism, y'all!) This way the temptation to leak the record would theoretically be tempered, although people traded the thing via BitTorrent anyway (no doubt in part because of the balkiness of the site.) The low quality of the MP3s that came out represented a deliberate attempt to make people *want* to buy the album in some physical form when it's available. The band's management has been quoted as saying as much.
― maura, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link
First, I chatted with an American intellectual property litigator who asked to remain anonymous, and asked him basically the same question posed by Pytlik:
They should be very, very scared. There are at least two reasons why this is not just your average, everyday, run-of-the-mill file sharing copyright infringement: this involves music that has not yet been commercially released, and money changed hands.
that's dumb. pre-releases weren't what the majority of Oink users were downloading! almost all this speculation is based on ignorance about what the site was about.
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 00:13 (sixteen years ago) link