i would just like to note that laura marling is younger than taylor swift.
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Monday, 13 September 2010 07:03 (thirteen years ago) link
laura marling writes better lyrics and better songs. <3 <3 <3
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Monday, 13 September 2010 07:04 (thirteen years ago) link
this kinda thing always goes really well
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 07:15 (thirteen years ago) link
my main point is that taylor swift's lyrics are good for a 14-yo, but now that she's 21 she should consider reading a book
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Monday, 13 September 2010 07:18 (thirteen years ago) link
or 20, whatever
idk man i think "mine" is pretty obviously a song written by a much more mature person
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 07:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Flash forward, and we're takin' on the world togetherAnd there's a drawer of my things at your placeYou learn my secrets and figure out why I'm guardedYou say we'll never make my parents' mistakes
But we got bills to payWe got nothin' figured outWhen it was hard to takeYes, yes
This is what I thought about:
^^ this is a great lead in to a chorus about remembering meeting someone imo
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 07:25 (thirteen years ago) link
the structure isn't awkward, but it's a song about two really boring, poorly-sketched characters. there's really nothing remarkable about any of the lyrics.
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Monday, 13 September 2010 07:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess if i cared that much about well-sketched characters i would read books
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 07:39 (thirteen years ago) link
'made a rebel of a careless man's careful daughter' packs a lot into it, imo
― subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Monday, 13 September 2010 07:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I do agree that 'mine' is a retread, structurally, of the narrative tropes she was using on Fearless and maybe the s/t
like putting the chorus into the boy's mouth - pretty sure she's done that at least once or twice before?
― subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Monday, 13 September 2010 07:43 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway i don't think they're poorly sketched -- i think the "you made a rebel of a careless man's careful daughter" line does a lot of the legwork in a way that a line in a three minute pop song should
not to mention that this seems like an odd criticism of taylor in general -- i mean, you love that lady antebellum song right? you can't find two more basically sketched characters than the two in that song -- the-dream isn't exactly writing novels out there either, but it doesn't mean that the songs can't still be affecting & amazing
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 07:44 (thirteen years ago) link
laura marling comes from a completely different songwriting tradition and is trying to do completely different things with her music (and doing them very well) (to be slightly reductive, individual catharsis vs. relatable normativity).
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 13 September 2010 07:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i just read that t-swift sang a song about kanye at the vmas last night lol. tell me about it, people who watched! is it on youtube? i don't have time to read thge whole vmas thread.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:00 (thirteen years ago) link
lady antebellum song isn't a character sketch, it's a song about a specific moment--where one is totally lonely and pathetic and drunk and longing--and it's much more relatable than Taylor's "uptight girl falls in love w/ boy and remembers when he said 'i love you'" narrative, which is dull and anonymous and doesn't ring true. there is nothing 'affecting' about "mine" at all.
the-dream isn't a girl with a guitar.
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:00 (thirteen years ago) link
comparing swift to marling is a bit like comparing, idk, carole king to pj harvey.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:02 (thirteen years ago) link
lex, it's a decent song that would be better w/o the stigma of it being about kanyegate
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:04 (thirteen years ago) link
well, it's a really good song actually
what's it called? every news report i've read so far has neglected to mention this detail
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:06 (thirteen years ago) link
"mine" is about a specific moment too! notably the one sung about in the chorus -- it's just a bit fleshed out with background than "need you now" -- i don't think it attempts to be a 'character sketch' tho
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:06 (thirteen years ago) link
it's called "innocence" i think
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:07 (thirteen years ago) link
taylor swift needs to use some different narrative arcs imo
― subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:07 (thirteen years ago) link
& i don't really see the point of judging taylor's music as character sketches, seeing as she's not writing movie scripts -- she's writing pop songs
it's like the 'feminist' arguments against taylor as if female music should be judged 100% on how feminist it is
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:09 (thirteen years ago) link
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Monday, September 13, 2010 3:00 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark
i also don't see what the difference is -- you only care if girls w/ guitars write songs that are good character sketches?
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:10 (thirteen years ago) link
you really don't listen to any female singer-songwriters do you
that movie script line is such bullshit
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:10 (thirteen years ago) link
taylor's songs aren't interesting enough for the lyrics to be bad.
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think taylor is as monolithic a writer (subject-wise) as you're paint her to be, dayo -- her huge singles are maybe, but shit like "white horse" & "breathe" are much different than "love story" & "you belong with me"
also i think "mine" is is enough of a switch up in subject matter to still seem fresh -- i would at least hear the whole album first
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Monday, September 13, 2010 3:12 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
well i disagree with the idea that her songs aren't interesting and that her lyrics are bad, so \(o_O)/
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Then, you took me by surpriseYou said, "I'll never leave you alone."
You said, "I remember how we felt, sitting by the water.And every time I look at you, it's like the first time.I fell in love with a careless man's careful daughter.She is the best thing that's ever been mine."
He knelt to the ground and pulled out a ringAnd saidMarry me Juliet you'll never hae to be aloneI love you and that's all I really knowI talked to your dad go pick out a white dressIt's a love story baby just say yes
― subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess it just annoys me that her latest big song kind of apes her last big song
because there's a POV change? that also happens in two of her 30 other songs? i guess it's not that big of an issue to me
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:21 (thirteen years ago) link
notice the part where I said "her last big song"
― subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think it's bullshit to say that arguing that a pop singer's songs aren't good enough 'character sketches' might be missing the point of the music in the first place
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:22 (thirteen years ago) link
which reduces the set to 'love story, you belong with me, mine'
― subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:23 (thirteen years ago) link
her last big song was "you belong with me"
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm not gonna disagree that "mine" is structurally a lot like "love story" -- it's just a lot less fairy tale enough for me for it to not come off as a total retread
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:24 (thirteen years ago) link
also it seems taylor has an awful lot of fights @ 2 am in the morning
― subtle like the g in 'goole' (dayo), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:27 (thirteen years ago) link
i love the recurring taylor motifs - fights at 2am, kissing in the rain, tuesday nights &c
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:29 (thirteen years ago) link
*sigh*
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:31 (thirteen years ago) link
pop singers: rihanna, kesha, katy perry
girls with guitars: alanis morrisette, joni mitchell, taylor swift
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:34 (thirteen years ago) link
is taylor swift dueting w/ b.o.b. or john mayer?
damn dude, that is a fucking archaic way to view pop music
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:35 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ the idea that kissing in the rain is a specific taylor motif, rather than just a terrible cliche
― just sayin, Monday, 13 September 2010 08:36 (thirteen years ago) link
tape store,
laura marling (and joni mitchell) comes from a completely different songwriting tradition and is trying to do completely different things with her music (and doing them very well) (to be slightly reductive, individual catharsis vs. relatable normativity).
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, September 13, 2010 7:45 AM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, if you're gonna sit here and argue that taylor swift -- literally the highest selling musician in america -- isn't a pop musician, then you're kind of insane
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:37 (thirteen years ago) link
was alanis morrisette not pop?
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:38 (thirteen years ago) link
yes...
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:39 (thirteen years ago) link
you're the one who seemingly set up the dichotomy between "pop musician" and "girls with guitars" -- alanis & taylor aren't (or weren't, in alanis' case) both?
― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:40 (thirteen years ago) link
alanis morissette's songs are mostly even more "simplistic" than taylor's
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 13 September 2010 08:40 (thirteen years ago) link