Was/Is Morrissey Racist?

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Not really the thread for it, but I periodically see Noel wandering about, in fact to the extent that he's started to recognise me (not in any head-nodding sort of way, but in a sort of glance of suspicious recognition - it must be hell being famous in some ways). Whenever I see him, he's just mooching about, wandering the streets with the comportment of a man who has absolutely nothing to do, never with anyone, never exuding any purpose, looking down side streets with equal uninterest, extensively studying shelves in the supermarket with a sort of desultory indifference, that sort of thing, a portrait of velleity, of volition in its lowest form.

Here's a case where being right all along is a total bummer. I really liked The Smiths, too.

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My father had to deal with Morrissey. My grandfather had to deal with Morrissey. My great grandfather had to deal with Morrissey. My great great great great great great. When it's gonna stop!?

If you think this is racism, you should probably think about hanging yourself

Morrissey is a hero to some but he never meant shit to me, you see
Straight up racist that sucker was Simple and mellow

Yeah, mother fuck him and Elvis Costello

seem to remember reading about a fringe theory in china contending that the ancestors of han chinese became isolated from other populations by topography/ice age and evolved slightly different characteristics, which would make them a subspecies i guess? so maybe this trolling redeploys that idea but cuz of the context and his earlier racist trolling, ppl are assuming he understands subspecies as 'defective subgroup', and then he'll say nah i wasn't saying defective lol why are you getting so upset

such a hateful cunt and i dunno why he does it? just incredibly and pointlessly vicious and embittered

Subspecies = clearly, definable - not just racist - but fascist talk.

There are no subspecies of man. What a fucking prick.

such a hateful cunt and i dunno why he does it?

lol this reads like an alternate universe smiths lyric

You can even imagine the tune!

so I broke into the palace
with a sponge and a rusty spanner
she said "Eh, I know you, you're a racist cunt"
I said "I know, you should hear my take on China"

Subspecies = clearly, definable - not just racist - but fascist talk.

There are no subspecies of man. What a fucking prick.

― Duran (Doran), Saturday, 4 September 2010 14:50 (14 minutes ago)

see i'd guess he's too cynical to honestly believe in eugenics / wacky biological racism, but he'll deploy it insincerely because it's incredibly offensive

why does he feel the need to be so despised though? whether it's trolling or str8 fascism it's as loathesome as could be

I periodically see Noel wandering about, in fact to the extent that he's started to recognise me (not in any head-nodding sort of way, but in a sort of glance of suspicious recognition - it must be hell being famous in some ways). Whenever I see him, he's just mooching about, wandering the streets with the comportment of a man who has absolutely nothing to do, never with anyone, never exuding any purpose, looking down side streets with equal uninterest, extensively studying shelves in the supermarket with a sort of desultory indifference, that sort of thing, a portrait of velleity, of volition in its lowest form.

fascinating. this kind of thing deserves a thread of its own

that is superb yes

xp Reminds me a bit of that scene in A hard Day's Night where Ringo wanders purposelessly around on his own.

y morrissey y :(((((((

seem to remember reading about a fringe theory in china contending that the ancestors of han chinese became isolated from other populations by topography/ice age and evolved slightly different characteristics, which would make them a subspecies i guess?

Watched something on the bbc which talked about this being a widely held idea and fairly convincingly proved it wrong before.

Great cat picture though.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/9/3/1283529634767/Morrissey-001.jpg

cat's off to morrissey

<3 s1ocki <3 <3

Yeah, just for clarity, I don't think he thinks like Adolf Hitler or anything, which is why I said fascist talk instead of calling him one. But we're talking about an insanely clever guy. In that UNCUT interview that Paul Morley did a few years back, he's dropping in references to James Joyce and Christopher Marlowe without PM seemingly even noticing. The idea that it was a slip up or he didn't express himself clearly beggars belief.

He knows what he said, he knows what it implies, he doesn't believe it but said it anyway. Just to upset some people. Because more than anything else he agrees with his role model Oscar Wilde, the only thing worse than being talked about...

Just look at the list of stars he idolizes, he believes it's his job to be controversial, to be an outsider, to be misunderstood. But in this day and age, it's pretty hard to be very outrageously offensive, without, y'know, being quite horrible. This time he's had to be really fucking out of order to several billion people.

How funny would it be if there was a war and we were all killed. Just because Morrissey was in a bad mood?

think it's time for a POX morrissey songs since the early 1990s

kidding, pick only five

just messing, i'll stop -- pick one morrissey song from the last two-odd decades

or don't, no pressure

Everyday Is Like Sunday
The World Is Full Of Crashing Bores
It's Not Your Birthday Anymore
Suedehead
The First Of The Gang To Die
Speedway
National Front Disco
Hairdresser On Fire
Late Night Maudlin Street
The Last Of The Famous International Playboys

I could have easily done POXX. I understand I'm probably in a minority here but Morrissey is a very good example (IMO) of great art/ bad man. I mean now that Spector is dead and we're yet to see Rupert Murdoch's watercolours.

(Kowloon) Is Now? (sorry)

XP: Sorry, didn't see the early 90s bit.

How funny would it be if there was a war and we were all killed. Just because Morrissey was in a bad mood?

― Duran (Doran), Saturday, 4 September 2010 16:39 (17 minutes ago)

now you put it like that....

i think you're probably right about his motivations, the wish to reclaim some of the anathema of olden times

i don't know his post-smiths stuff but there is something ghoulish about his wilde/stephen dedalus fixation and his creepy fascination w/ rough trade, nazis, football thugs etc

his life is his art etc

Phil Spector? He isn't dead... or is there a joke I'm not getting? xp

Man, even by my usual standards I'm not on the ball today. Yeah, Spector was a bad example, given that he is, as you rightly, say alive.

rip

My father had to deal with Morrissey. My grandfather had to deal with Morrissey. My great grandfather had to deal with Morrissey. My great great great great great great. When it's gonna stop!?

― Duran (Doran), Saturday, 4 September 2010 14:32 (2 hours ago) Bookmark

Many lols at this.

Stop Me If You've Heard This Won Ton Before. (Sorry)

This is a man who has nobody to tell him things like 'no' and 'you're wrong' to his face - of course he's going to say offensive shit until he runs into trouble. Idiot. To defend a 'subhuman' remark by saying how horrible the Chinese are to animals kind of misses the point. I fear this shows Chinese people as all too human, just like the rest of us. So, y'know - category error.

The problem I always run into with Morrissey is that he's smart - he has that autodidact's love for an A-level syllabus that never was - but not as smart as he thinks he is.

this could be his father ted moment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtYfHW5wu8Q&p=13DDD48B7E52DB99&playnext=1&index=52

Frankly, Mr Cankly

― buzza, Friday, September 3, 2010 2:54 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark

all time

ahahaha

Yeah, pretty great.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/9/3/1283529634767/Morrissey-001.jpg

Since Morrisey is positioned, in this pic, under a member of the species Felis catus, wouldn't it be correct to say he himself is the subspecies here?

His quiff has got ever more extravagant over the years but that is ridiculous.

how is horribbly formed?

xp

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oh dear

Re: Morrissey racist?
Are Jews really a race? No more so than Catholics or Protestants.

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