"Down In The Tube Station At Midnight" by The Jam - What Does It Mean?

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a stinging blow to the face by an old leather football in addition to having his plums trapped in a chocolate vending machine? a night of disaster for weller, but there are few of us who haven't faced such agonies on london transport after a few beers and a fumble with a rent boy.

dave amos, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 10:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and I've also found a possible reason why a newspaper would print a story of someone being run over.
Here. Look at the year this story first surfaced.

It'd be just the thing one of these tabloids might print, unaware that it's an urban legend.
It also explains why Weller has to take the tube in the first place: he wasn't able to complete his driving test.

Vasquesz, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 10:30 (nineteen years ago) link

"Oh, I thought we agreed that the change he fumbles for is a change within himself, and that the queen is one of his personalities."

I'm staring to move towards the belief that when "he fumbles for change" (within himself) he's actually wrestling with his own conscience because he knows that he shouldn't be lurking about in subterranean passageways, seeking out opportunities to provide hand-relief to passing homosexuals, when his wife is at home "polishing the glasses and pulling out the cork" and generally fulfilling her role as a dutiful wife, in blissful ignorance of his sordid hidden activites and proclivities.

However he ultimately loses this battle and gives in to his baser instincts.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 10:32 (nineteen years ago) link

...and him being a Rabbi adds to his sense of shame

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 10:36 (nineteen years ago) link

the thing about his wife "polishing the glasses and pulling out the cork" could mean shes a pre-op transexual.

splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 10:37 (nineteen years ago) link

too many right wing meetings

too many right wing meetings ?

An 'acceptable' number being one. Where you go 'fuck that bollox' and never go again.

(fwiw, I have not.)

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 10:40 (nineteen years ago) link

But that would mean you'd start smelling of them from the second one onwards!

Vasquesz, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 10:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Fascism stinks

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 10:47 (nineteen years ago) link

This is set in 1978 remember: "right-wing meetings" could easily have been at Sham 69 gigs, Specials gigs, Madness gigs, or even to some extent Jam gigs....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 11:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Or Jimmy Tarbuck gigs, Cilla Black gigs, Ken Dodd gigs

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 11:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Or Bernard Manning gigs, Jim Davidson gigs....

No, wait, sorry, those weren't right wing meetings, they were right wing rallies.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 11:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Meanwhile, of course, Skrewdriver were still just another very ordinary, very average, little punk band, with no particular known political affiliations or other special identifying features of any sort.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 11:24 (nineteen years ago) link

.. with Mark Radcliffe as their drummer, fakt fanz

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 11:37 (nineteen years ago) link

So in other words "no special identifying features of any sort", like I said.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 12:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Funny how Strange Fruit have never got round to re-issuing that Skrewdriver John Peel session from Summer 1977, innit? (I taped it. It was dire.)

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Presumably that's for the same reasons that Roger Armstrong has always refused to either re-release or license any of the pre-nazi material that they recorded for Chiswick - they may not have been a nazi band when the material was recorded, but the current hateful incarnation of Skrewdriver could only benefit from anything that might help to raise the band's profile.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

'fumbling for change' = tube nutter

dave q, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:47 (nineteen years ago) link

But that would be "mumbling incoherently and haranguing innocent passers-by for change", surely?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:50 (nineteen years ago) link

'fumbling for change' = tube nutter

Exactly.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link

The phrase "partially naked" warrants a closer examination. For who in their right minds would describe a set of steps as "partially naked"?

(Unless they were of the same prim Victorian mindset that resulted in piano legs being covered up with little velvet curtains, that is. "My God... those steps... they're practically NUDE.")

I put it to you that what Weller actually wrote was:

"I'm partially naked, except for toffee wrappers and this morning's papers. etc."

This fits the "tube nutter" theory admirably. Drunk, shirtless, covered in litter, one bollock hanging out of his trousers, rent boy on his arm, rambling on about his transexual "wife"... well, you can see why he might have attracted some unwelcome attention.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Wait a second - it isn't Mr Jones that's partially naked?

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

"Partially naked/Except for toffee wrapers and this morning's paper/Mr. Jones got run down"

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Lyrical analysis at long last has reached an appropriate level, one that doesn't make me think of Fricke and Hilburn. To all, salut.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I was actually thinking something all similar lines myself. After all, does he not say that "the glazed, dirty steps.... reflect my thoughts:...."?

So he's at very least imagining what it would be like to wander 'round the cities subterranean transport system "partially naked, except for toffee wrapers and this morning's paper....".

In reality 'though I don't think he's prepared to risk the shame and public humiliation attendant on his actually being caught wandering 'round the tube station completely starkers, and is forced to settle for surreptitiously pulling out one "plum", attempting to disguise the action of so doing by pretending to be getting his money out of his posket and purchasing either a ticket or a bar of chocolate from a vending machine (it is unclear which).

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:26 (nineteen years ago) link

And another thing: how on earth do these newspaper headlines contrive to "tell of tomorrow"? After all, it's not "Mr. Jones will be run down", is it?

These are strangely prescient newspapers. My money's on The Fortean Times.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Or maybe he is Mr. Jones, and the strangely prescient newspapers are actually predicting his own demise?

(For just after he loses consciousness, his attackers push his body over the platform edge, where he remains until savagely mowed down by the first train of the morning.)

I can't believe it has taken so long to deduce this simple, yet crucial, fact.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

It's obviously a song about queer bashing. Plum is short for 'plum duff' which is Cockney rhyming slang for puff.

He's obviously tried it on with some guy, but it's a setup and his mates are going to beat the shit out of him. In a panic he makes some story up about having a wife, who's getting ready for the curry, but being in a panic the story is confused and illogical and doesn't save him from the inevitable beating.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Or maybe he is Mr. Jones, and the strangely prescient newspapers are actually predicting his own demise?

Mr. Jones got run down
Headlines of death and sorrow - they tell of tomorrow
Madmen on the rampage
And I'm down in the tube station at midnight

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Interesting that you too should have reached this conclusion Mike - you see.... I don't think he got beaten up by while he was down in the tube station at midnight at all!

I think all this business about "madmen on the rampage" is just an elaborate cover story that he's dreamed up to try to explain to his wife why he's so late home after she's spent her entire evening lining up the cutlery, polishing the glasses and pulling out the cork while she waits for him to get home; when in fact he's been off doing the nasty down some back alley with an asian rent boy he picked up for four and half nicker.

However he's now going over this story in his mind, rehearsing it and panicking as he imagines himself having to keep coming up with ever more elaborate stories to cover repeated absences, until eventually he has to fake his own death in some sort of as-yet-undefined motor-vehicle related accident (hence the vague "Mr. Jones got run down").

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

But doesn't "madmen on the rampage" hint at an even darker truth - suggesting as it does that this vicious gang of pungent, overly right-wing hoodlums had left a trail of human carnage in their wake that evening, stretching all the way back to Clapham Junction? It all ties up, I'm telling ya...

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Time to investigate that British Rail poster somewhat more thoroughly.

"Have an Awayday - a cheap holiday. Do it today!"

Please note the use of the phrase "a cheap holiday". Recognise it from anywhere?

"A cheap holiday, in other people's misery..."

...from "Holidays In The Sun" by the Sex Pistols: a song which stole its introductory riff from The Jam's debut single, "In The City".

By lifting these three words, Weller deftly closes the circle, and rights a monstrous wrong.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't help but notice that thus far no-one's chosen to offer any analyis of the lines:

"My life swam around me
It took a look and drowned me in its own existence"

What do these tell us (I mean, apart from the fact that Weller was a pretentious little wanker, obv.)?


Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Mike; if you think the words "a cheap holiday" are a reference to the Sex Pistols and the feud between the two bands that arose after Weller & co. nicked the bass line to Holidays In The Sun for their debut single In The City; do you not also think that "an atheist nutter" in the preceding line is a reference to Johnny Rotten proclaiming "I am the Anti-Christ...." in the opening line of the 'Pistols' debut single, Anarchy In The UK?

I think that, far from "righting a monstrous wrong", Weller was actually using the lyrics to this song to take another cheap shot at the 'Pistols!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"My life swam around me
It took a look and drowned me in its own existence"

He's having an out of body experience, much like his dislocated testicle.

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes but when is the "today" on which an "awayday" might be taken?

"At midnight" - the hysterical present tense to which the lyric inevitably returns despite its efforts to escape - our protagonist is trapped in a loop in which queens, plums and corks are forever being "pulled out", he is forever on the receiving end of a kicking, and the curry is forever cooling.

There can be no "awayday" from this eternally recurring moment - hence the sneer implicit in the edict that it be undertaken on a "today" which can never arrive.

"Today's" newspapers can tell "of tomorrow" because neither truly exists; there is only Wellerian "midnight"; we are not on the social realist London Underground, but in Paris, on the existentialist Metro.

Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

"Cafe Bleu", QED!

Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link

re chronosynclastic infindibulum - "Tonight at Noon"

dave q, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link

"Does nobody else think that a 'plum' is a ticket for the tube?. Don't they have a purplish plum colour?"

The tube tickets in the seventies were green and the wine could have been the sparkling matteus rose variety which would have made a waepon like a bat so wifey should have been fully protected

Ronjeremy, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

D C lee
is actually Dee Ceely...........clever ehhh

me, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Dianne Sealy actually.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 9 September 2004 06:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I feel that 'toffee wrappers' is highly significant.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 9 September 2004 07:31 (nineteen years ago) link

They certainly are if that's all your dressed in (plus the morning paper)

Vasquesz, Thursday, 9 September 2004 07:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, perhaps that contributed to Mr. Jones being run down

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 9 September 2004 07:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"I feel that 'toffee wrappers' is highly significant."

Well, they're a symbol of the attractively eye-catching but ultimately disposable veneer that covers the surface our modern consumer-driven society and conceals the sweetly seductive but ultimately insubstantial product within, which lacks any real nutritional value and ultimately serves only to corrupt and destroy our souls like so many decayed and rotting teeth awaiting the dental care of spiritual enlightenment, obviously....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 9 September 2004 08:00 (nineteen years ago) link

He's in Oxford Circus tube station and unwittingly intercepted a group of fanatical terrorists plotting to blow it up, as fully described on the follow-up "'A' Bomb In Wardour Street."

Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Plausible, plausible enough... yet I think Weller thinks on many levels. He's subtle, subtle as a fox...

Could the lyric actually be the voice of the narrator, talking to police, trying to excuse his part in a mugging or attempted bombing? In which case, are we to trust the narrator? It could all be an alibi attempt. This raises new and puzzling possibilities.

thee music mole, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 06:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I can only suggest that the police should violently beat a confession out of him immediately - hurrah!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 09:54 (nineteen years ago) link

"Mr Jones was run down".

He needed a vitamin 12 booster. Local news. Don't you love it?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 10:10 (nineteen years ago) link

He probably wouldn't have had a vitamin deficiency at all if he'd had a healthier, more balanced diet and eaten a bit more fresh fruit and veg, and bit less unheatlthy processed food....

Why if he'd just made a bit more effort to eat a few less takeaway curries - and maybe to pull out a plum just a little bit more often instead - this nutritional disaster might have been avoided!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 10:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I wonder what the policemen said to him? 'Weller, weller, weller, what's all this about then?' Sorry.

thee music mole, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 10:32 (nineteen years ago) link


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