Good Charlotte: Classic or Dud?

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And yeah, I think the Misfits were pretty mediocre. A way less catchy version of the pop-punk the Buzzcocks, 999, Adverts, Vibrators, and Generation X had done before them, with stupider words, a stiffer rhythm section, and one of the planet's biggest blowhards on the mic.
(Or if you prefer, the Cramps with all the rockabilly stuff excised, when the rockabilly stuff was the only interesting thing about them.)

Given all that, I don't really HATE the Misfits. And "Mother" is okay.

chuck, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

I defy you to show me ANYWHERE where I called her "a metal artist".

Oh relax, I'm just ribbin' ya.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think the Misfits were pretty mediocre

Good lord, man, have you never wrapped your ears around Static Age?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

>>>Ha! Chuck, I love it, I'm going to never explain myself again and just direct everyone to read my previous entries on my blog whenever I say anything<<<

Well, I don't have time to repeat everything I've ever written in my life, sorry. And since Alex is arguing with my book in the first place (since that's *where* I identifed Teena Marie music as metal), and seems so bugged by it, it might help if he'd READ the damn thing.

chuck, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

it's cool, Alex. sorry about your lunch. though you shouldn't let the clothes bother you so much. The band I'm currently in is kinda like Fleetwood Mac meets AC/DC, and the one before was kinda like a jammy goth group and before that it was Minutemen meets Beastie Boys, and I've dressed in plaid and jeans since high school (though my hair is kinda crappy and big so I guess there is truth in advertising re: my Lindsay Buckingham fascination). The GC boyz probably sounded more like the Exploited when they were younger (they've been doing this since they were kidz, as they'll tell you), and though their music has become more mainstream - and probably better, they've decided to stick to their mall-punk roots fashionwise and get lots of tatoos (which a bunch of my friends have done now that they don't live at home too!). I mean, Alex, would you want to start dressing like 3EB just cuz you're band got a better budget and was kinda sappy?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

actually, I've been wearing plaid and jeans since ELEMENTARY SCHOOL! A good year before I saw a pearl Jam video I've got visual proof that I was a walking grunge stereotype.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

FLEETWOOD MAC MEETS AC/DC??!!

Chuck, Static Age is the best CD ever.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

If I was in Good Charlotte, I'd wear cowboy boots, a luchador mask, and a Pope costume, just so nobody would recognize me as being a member of the worst band (that didn't include Courtney Love in the lineup that is) EVAH.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I simply lack the energy and enthusiasm to get into this today.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually, early Fleetwood Mac stuff (like "Oh Well" or "Somebody's Gonna Get Their Head Kicked In Tonight," say) isn't very far at all FROM early AC/DC; I believe some people think Peter Green INFLUENCED Angus Young's playing. (Any recommendations on which albums by Peter Green era F-Mac to buy would be WAY more welcome than Misfits or Maiden recommendations, by the way. This weekend I bought *Kiln House,* which is great, but that's Jeremy Spencer, I guess. I also bought a Fairport Convention comp and the first Procul Harum album. Other than that, pretty much all I listen to now is a few hundred CDs that've come out THIS YEAR. Which is why I get so heated up -- TOO heated up, admittedly -- when people start complaining about what I was listening to and writing about a decade ago. I mean, I don't even always REMEMBER what's so good about that stuff. But it's hardly like I didn't write about it *at the time* or anything, you know? I mean, my old opinions are public record, sort of. But why not move on?)

chuck, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

So are my old opinions, Chuck, just yours are more known. It's not really complaining, I think it was just in jest.

I kinda wished you were writing about cereal sometimes, though. You should work that in somehow.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

I do!! In Kix reviews! And Oran "Juice" Jones ones, too! (Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids. You without me is like the corn flakes without the milk...)

chuck, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

But I think you should talk about cereal more than in just those reviews. Like, ok, that big article about the White Stripes a couple weeks back? You should've mentioned that they look like they'd enjoy Count Chocula, the both of them. Actually, maybe Meg is more of a Boo Berries girl. Though you were totally spot on in everything else, including Jack's vague resemblance to another certain annoying pop star, though that being said I still find myself with a crush on him.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Maybe we should change the board to I Love Cereal. (Actually, Chuck, you raise an interesting point in that I see why you'd want to concentrate on newly released stuff but I can't but help not only loving stuff from my past but stuff from the past I never heard before, so I think 'newness' is ultimately a fluid term, but anyway.)

I'd wear cowboy boots, a luchador mask, and a Pope costume

Dammit, Nickalicious, I expect you to be wearing that every day by default! Especially at work!

My own list: GC, blah, Misfits, rah, Iron Maiden, eh, Kix, I actually like the few songs I've heard from them and Steve Whiteman's interview with Metal Sludge is good fun so that counts for something.

As for Peter Green-era FM, try Then Play On...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

I haven't actually heard early early Fleetwood Mac. I'm talking strictly Buckingham-Nicks era.

And you have my sympathies Chuck, but that's what you get for writing damn good shit in 1990. I'd hate it if I still had to defend my belief that EMF was the 3rd best band ever (or INXS being 2nd), which I had in 1992.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

>>>including Jack's vague resemblance to another certain annoying pop star though that being said I still find myself with a crush on him.<

You have a crush on Michael Jackson, Ally??? Wow, that *rocks*!

chuck, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Haha!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, my taste has gone completely down the drain lately, but I think we'd make a totally hot couple.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Chuck, try *Mr. Wonderful*('68) or *English Rose*('69) if you want some early Mac. Maybe a little bluesy/ jammy for some (Fleetwood and Mac had just left Mayall's Bluesbreakers), but still worthwhile. Check their cover of Little Willie John's (i think?) "Need Your Love So Bad." Fucking gorgeous. There's a pretty decent P.Green's F.Mac BBC out their, too.

Now that I mention it, John Mayall/ Bluesbreaker's *Bare Wires* feat. a young Mick Taylor, anyone??? Perhaps this deserves it's own thread.


BTW, who is Good Charlotte?

Will (will), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

out their, too = out there, too

Will (will), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 21:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey Will and Ned -- thanks for the early Mac recommendations!
So, um, how about Wishbone Ash??? Do I start with *Argus,* or what?

p.s. Siegbran is dead wrong about Kix's lyrics, by the way. Donnie Purnell's love of dirty puns was right up there with Bon Scott's, and Ally will be happy to know that they even have a song called "Kix are For Kids." (Corny!) But I'll print these instead; they clearly beat Iron Maiden to hell, though a fairer comparion might well be Morrisey:

Once upon a time in a deserted little town
An incubated boy was born and they tried to put him down
Didn't have no muscles here
Didn't have no fat
But when he opened up his mouth ya heard the biggest trap
They called him big mouth
Big trap
Loud mouth
Mighty mouth
Here comes the M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-Mighty mouth
No silver spoon, grew up too soon out on the dirt
He took a big deep breath and popped the buttons off his shirt
He's no zero oh he's a hero
He's every mother's dream
And all the boys could feel the noise
They'd shake when they'd hear him scream
They called him big mouth
Big trap
Loud mouth
Mighty mouth


chuck, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 21:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wishbone Ash is one of those eternal mysteries to me. I might actually say start with the first Budgie album, even though it's a totally different group and sound, just for the hell of it. I think I would definitely recommend staying away from any Robin Trower solo albums.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Argus" is a good choice b/c it has "king will come" & "blowing free" on it which are both pretty fukcing ok-ish. Buy w/great care, wishbone ash could be very curate's eggy at the best of times.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

if anything good came out of this thread its my upcoming "all funk versions of iron maiden songs" album

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

THAT.

WOULD.

ROCK.


"if yer gonna die (bwowm chicka bwowm) die with yer boots on (bwowm chicka bwowm) if yer gonna die...
With Isaac Hayes on backup vocals.
"Now, how are my little undead crackas this mornin'?"

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

No way am I gonna read this whole thread, and I still haven't heard a single note by these guys, but I just checked out their website and they are the cutest band ever. Shit, I mean cuter than any boy band I've ever seen, and they're all cartoon punks? Man oh man.

Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

cuter than any boy band

Surely, like I argue here with regard to other examples, they are merely the next in the series of anti-boy band boy bands? ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm retracting my above post, ok?

Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

And when the Good Charlotte backlash finally hits, their will be anti-anti-boy bands, followed by anti-anti-anti-boy bands, followed by anti-anti-anti-anti-boy bands, followed by anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-boy bands until we all dissapear up our own fundaments.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Good Charlotte are Busted with a drummer. Simple as that.

gollywang (gollywang), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

They don't have a drummer....or at least not one that's allowed to be photographed with them (he musn't look "punk" enough for their tastes).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

the original GC drummer quit to join in his brother in a new group called Wakefield. I got a review of it in Blender next month. It's not bad mall-punk-pop-metal, especially on the power ballads. Josh Freese played on Young & The Hopeless. And supposedly they're testing out some new young punk on the road.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yesterday I was out CD-shopping and overheard some teenagers having a conversation...

boy-to-girl: "I can't believe you're buying a GOOD CHARLOTTE CD!"
girl-to-boy: "It's for my friend!"
boy-to-girl: "If they listen to Good Charlotte, they're not your friend."
girl: "whatever"
boy2-to-boy: "What's wrong with Good Charlotte?"
boy-to-boy2: "They're so mainstream!"
boy2-to-boy: "I thought you liked mainstream punk?"
boy-to-boy2: "No, I like mainstream punk, stuff all punks know about, like Fugazi and NOFX. But Good Charlotte aren't mainstream punk, they're mainstream punk..."

(at this point they get distracted by my LAUGHING OUT LOUD at their conversation, I feel bad, pay for my Blur CD and my Tomahawk CD and my Pharaoh Monche CD and leave)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

You know that Blur is just mainstream Britpop, right? *hides* ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

can't we all just get along?

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

TS: mainstream punk v. mainstream punk

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

mainstream punk all the way. Especially since the latter can become the former (Offspring, Green Day), but it doesn't work the other way around).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

boy-to-girl: "If they listen to Good Charlotte, they're not your friend."

Somebody buy that kid a beer!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alex is a man in his thirties who wants to give alcohol to teenagers who pick their friends based on which bands they like. They make him proud.

Just want that on record.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

A kid with the savvy to know that Good Charlotte fans are idiots earns a free beer, as far as I'm concerned.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yo, the more kids that drink, the better. I've had enough of straight edge fuxors.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually, now that you mention it, somebody tight-assed enough to say "If they listen to Good Charlotte, they're not your friend" probably should be given something to calm him down.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Round of beer, anyone?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes fuckin' please.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'll have two please, so chuck and I can peacefully agree on how the Misfits are completely overrated.

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 22:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
i heard that girls like cars and money song last night at a friends on mtv, you know what? its kinda great

gareth (gareth), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:03 (twenty years ago) link

g.c. < oizone

kieron, Sunday, 15 June 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

I guess they're pushing the videos for "Girls And Boys" and "Young & The Hopeless" at the exact same time I guess. Fine with me. Both might make my top ten singles of the year, and the latter might top it.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 15 June 2003 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

God help us all.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 15 June 2003 20:24 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
alex you wrote the goings on about town entry for gc this week didn't you? brilliant work, my friend!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 17 October 2003 02:25 (twenty years ago) link


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