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What, no "Tuesday's Gone"?

And yeah, that's what I was getting at, too, with the Pharmacists. I didn't feel like typing the whole thing.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:58 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, that's what I meant. Ted himself is more like Joe Jackson or Paul Weller or somebody. But the band's Lizzy rips are really blatant in a couple songs. And that EP was indeed horrible.

Drive By Truckers have yet to write a song as good as:

1. That Smell
2. Workin' for MCA
3. Call Me the Breeze
5. What's Your Name?
6. Simple Man
10. Sweet Home Alabama

Wittier lyrics, more engaged singing, fuller guitars, sadder beauty. More at STAKE. Not just a better beat, though they swung as hard as any rock band ever. But they were an album band, Anthony. You should buy their albums. The first two are a really fine place to start.

― chuck, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I kinda figured they were an album band. I'll put 'em on my xmas list. And hey, remember that a year ago I was giving you shit for the DBTs! Drawl-By Truckers' Southern Fetish Opera I think I called it. Needless to say, I've been wrong before.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:02 (twenty years ago) link

did spin do the 10 best albums you haven't heard list? Just curious to see what made the list.

― Jonathan (Jonathan), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:08 (twenty years ago) link

no more, Jonathan.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:11 (twenty years ago) link

I doubt Dizzee'd be on the list as an import if they had done the Ten You Haven't Heard list.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:14 (twenty years ago) link

Nah, I disagree -- the Dizzee album's huge. Top ten pazz and jop, I bet. Top 20 at least. Which means (wow, I just thought of this!) it might WIN in 2004, if it carries over enough votes from THIS year....

― chuck, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:16 (twenty years ago) link

are you serious?! I don't believe it.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:17 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, you sound like me talking about Basement Jaxx, the Avalanches, and Daft Punk two years ago! and they finished 13, 11, and 25, respectively.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:19 (twenty years ago) link

There are plenty of promo copies out there, Michaelangelo. At least there seem to be. And it will get a VERY high point to voter ratio; the people who like it seem to LOVE it, as much as any 2003 album.

― chuck, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:19 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, well, ditto the Avalanches. I still don't think it'll make top 10 and I certainly don't think it will win in '04.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:21 (twenty years ago) link

I can see it do well on Pazz & Jop, but I still think SPIN would have put in the "Top 10 Albums You Haven't Heard" list, since you're talking about PROMO COPIES here.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:21 (twenty years ago) link

I dunno, maybe I'm wrong. I usually think people overpredict these dance-cult things, but I can totally see it finishing higher than, say, the Rapture or Basement Jaxx (and not only because they're not nearly as good, but let's not get into that). Actually, though, the lower it finishes (and it will ABSOLUTELY finish), the MORE chance it has of carrying over its votes to the year of its domestic release.

Avalanches TOTALLY surprised me! I'd barely even heard of them!

― chuck, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:22 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not *predicting* it'll win in '04, mind you; just saying it's a possibility. There are 400 or so more days worth of records to compete with! It just never occured to me that it might have a SHOT at winning that year, and that finishing twice is a foregone conclusion.

― chuck, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:25 (twenty years ago) link

it will certainly place, just not top 10. I'd be amazed if it did that well. there are just too many people in the midwest (and elsewhere, right) that'll give all their fucking points to Elephant.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:26 (twenty years ago) link

also, what rock were you living under that you'd never heard of the Avalanches?

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:27 (twenty years ago) link

there are just too many people in the midwest (and elsewhere, right) that'll give all their fucking points to Elephant.

because it's a good album that's been released in the midwest?

also, what rock were you living under that you'd never heard of the Avalanches?
yeah, I even knew they sucked by then!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:28 (twenty years ago) link

I bet Outkast will beat Elephant (which could place as low as third, behind Radiohead as well), though.

I heard the NAME Avalanches. Somebody in Canada had pitched me the record. I just assumed it was, like, a popular in Canada thing. I still don't understand what's so great about that album, so maybe that's got something to do with it. But obviously, many disagreed.

― chuck, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:29 (twenty years ago) link

I figured they were about as important as Dirty Vegas or something!

― chuck, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:30 (twenty years ago) link

Go play in the traffic, Anthony.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

That's what I'm doing HERE!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

"Simple Man" is the bomb.

I like that Spin's singles list had "No Letting Go" and no "Get Busy" (they're both great, but I like Wayne Wonder's song better).

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:34 (twenty years ago) link

well, considering how BAD most electronic music is, I don't actually blame you, Chuck!

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:35 (twenty years ago) link

I figured they were about as important as Dirty Vegas or something!

That's like saying that Geddy Lee isn't as important a bassist as Quiet Riot's!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:35 (twenty years ago) link

actually it's more like assuming GTR isn't as important as Quiet Riot.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:36 (twenty years ago) link

Me I'm gonna go to a bar and (I'm not making this up) work on updating the pazz&jop letter and list of voters over several Stellas. I've been procrastinating all afternoon, if you couldn't tell.

(By the way, I do think White Stripes DESERVE to beat Outkast and Radiohead -- and *maybe* even beat Dizee Rascal; thats a close one. But what I want to win and what I think will win are two different animals. Of course, most albums that I want to win won't even place.)

And most EVERYTHING music is bad, Michaelangelo. Why should electronic stuff be any different? But I love lots of it, as you know. Or you should.

― chuck, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:43 (twenty years ago) link

my left toenail rocks harder than St. Anger

Don't you have 10 toenails?

― Nick H (Nick H), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:46 (twenty years ago) link

Matos is cloven-hoofed!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:48 (twenty years ago) link

and there's nothing wrong with being a satyr!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:49 (twenty years ago) link

Except the social stigma of satyriasis

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:52 (twenty years ago) link

I know you love lots of it, you fucking freak (sez the guy with one toenail)! I just don't blame you for thinking that off the top, though god knows the Avs' presentation, not to mention the kind of reviews/talk it got, would've indicated otherwise to ME if I hadn't already been aware of what they were doing. I mean, "It sounds like a ravey Paul's Boutique" and "they used 1000 samples" doesn't exactly scream "crap big beat" to me.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:53 (twenty years ago) link

Matos -- please tell me you stopped to look it up when you listed the BJaxx/Daft Punk/Avalanches PnJ rankings upthread.

Neither the White Stripes or Outkast records are as good as those bands' previous records, but are both FAR better than Yankee Hotel Foxtrot/Sea Change/WhateverthatFlamingLipsalbumwascalled, so I say Pazz and Jop is looking better this year!

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:56 (twenty years ago) link

come on, Chris, you *know* I had that shit memorized.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:57 (twenty years ago) link

I like Elephant fine. OutKast I'm not so sure about. either way, hell yes they're better than YHF and Sea Change. that's not the point I was trying to make, it was that I thought Chuck's expectations for Dizzee seemed awfully high.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:58 (twenty years ago) link

You suck.

The Flaming Lips rock.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:59 (twenty years ago) link

BornonthEfloor: Flops of the Year: Smash Mouth "Get The Picture," Robbie Williams "Escapology" (US sales only), Fischerspooner "#1," Everclear "Slow Motion Daydream," Live "Birds of Prey," Sugar Ray "In The Pursuit of Liesure," Third Eye Blind "Out of the Vein"
BornonthEfloor: damn they're pretty hard on fischerspooner....
Hotel Opera: whoever said it's just blind 1997 hate is right
BornonthEfloor: fair enough but all those album are pretty big flops
Hotel Opera: yeah but almost none of them are follow-ups to big hits or personal bests so it's kind of weird
Hotel Opera: i mean really you could make a more convincing case for "St Anger" or "American Life" or "Results May Vary" being relative flops
BornonthEfloor: shit yeah
BornonthEfloor: wheres american life?
BornonthEfloor: thats the biggest flop of the decade so far
Hotel Opera: yeah
Hotel Opera: i think she just lezzed it up to make everyone forget
Hotel Opera: and it worked apparently!
BornonthEfloor: hehe yup
Hotel Opera: i want to paraphrase this in a post but i'm feeling lazy so i think i'm just gonna cut-and-paste these last few IMs into the thread
BornonthEfloor: "i will regain my credibility by doing a gap commercial with missy elliott, if that fails i will have to put into action operation: make out with britney spears"
BornonthEfloor: you know thats been her fallback plan for a few years
Hotel Opera: haha yeah
BornonthEfloor: and she's finally had to use it
Hotel Opera: they almost did a record together on Britney's last album but it didn't happen, i guess she wasn't quite desperate enough at that point
BornonthEfloor: at that stage she thought ironically wearing britney spears t shirts was enough

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:02 (twenty years ago) link

my comments were entirely unrelated to your sparring with Chuck; I just wanted to throw that out there.

The Lips record, even though I can't remember what it was called, is my favorite of those three, but I like Elephant and Love Below/Speakerboxx better, though Elephant's apparent coronation somewhat perplexes me since it seems clearly inferior to White Blood Cells to my ears.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:03 (twenty years ago) link

Coming to this late, but charting the Missy album so high is kinda like an insult to her other albums (even though I like it more than I did a few days ago) - as if the very idea of Missy is enough to send her into the top ten regardless of the quality of the output. Maybe she's being rewarded for her numerous guest apperances (ditto for Jay-Z?).

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:04 (twenty years ago) link

I definitely prefer Elephant's shooby-dooby-doo's to White Blood Cell's clang-clang-clang.

And if that doesn't make sense, tough shit!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:10 (twenty years ago) link

oh, the Spin list. 10 of the 15 or so record I'm considering for my own top 10 are on that list, though my two faves finished fairly low.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:11 (twenty years ago) link

so far, my top ten is looking pretty ho-hum. the usual suspects i'm afraid. groovski, wonwons, gaby kerpal, katatonia, etc. i'm getting as boring as spin in my old age.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:13 (twenty years ago) link

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:15 (twenty years ago) link

Holy shit! I wrote close/preen HTML style and it actually did it!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:16 (twenty years ago) link

my own top ten is nothing fantastic either, believe me. between the book and the move and getting settled into the job and having the job keep me really really occupied I've barely had time to keep up.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:22 (twenty years ago) link

am i allowed to vote for my brother? the cd he gave me at thanksgiving is really great. although, i don't know when it originally came out.it's on some belgian label but he made me a cdr of it so technically it's from this year i guess.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:24 (twenty years ago) link

Postal Service but not Death Cab? Nutty.

Nice to see Ted Leo and the New Pornographers on the list, at least. I suppose I'll have to wait until Pazz & Jop for some Decemberists love...

― Nick Mirov (nick), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:24 (twenty years ago) link

i only truly love that groovski album and heck that came out last year. not that anyone knows or cares. and katatonia i love to pieces but i always love them to pieces. no real surprises.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:27 (twenty years ago) link

I may be living in my own little world, but I would have thought that either Deerhoof or KaitO (not both...working the same territory) would have made the list. Does Spin still have a "top 10 that weren't so popular" list?

Glad to see that Moles reissue mentioned by Spin. BTW, even the record label doesn't know what the mixes on it are. It looks like Richard Davies re-mixed it as well as re-mastering...some of the versions are very different. What a strange thing to do.

― dlp9001, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:09 (twenty years ago) link

I have a bad feeling the Spin list will look better than P&J tops, maybe.

Meanwhile I gotta bump something from my list to make way for blink!

This year was fucking great for albums.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:21 (twenty years ago) link

i am only interested in 2004 records at this point.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:25 (twenty years ago) link

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