The Waterboys always reminded me of a deer taking a dump, yes
― DJ Mencap, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:50 (fifteen years ago) link
it's gotta be miss america. shit, that's twenty years ago. i remember the day i bought that album like yesterday.
― alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Hmm, I was convinced D For Desire came out on 4AD. Maybe the Vaughan Oliver sleeve fooled me.
― aldo, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 13:57 (fifteen years ago) link
GUESS WHAT I VOTED FOR.
Isn't Anything and Surfer Rosa and ITANOMTHUB bringing up the rear.
― Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:03 (fifteen years ago) link
^^^voice of reason
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:05 (fifteen years ago) link
I prefer the other AR Kane album.
― Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:06 (fifteen years ago) link
Would I like AR Kane?
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:07 (fifteen years ago) link
I only managed to listen to Daydream Nation once, and didn't like it much, which is odd, as I like the one with 100% on and love the last three.
Um, quite possibly, yes.
― Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:07 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/on_second_thought/ar-kane-i.htm
― Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link
groovy
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link
No, Voice Of Reason was by The Sect, and NME voted it their 27th best album of 1987. I think Steve Lamacq was to blame.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:15 (fifteen years ago) link
For all the love people give to Daydream Nation it's not a patch on Evol or Sister.
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Argh “a near perfect pop song” 0/10 See Me
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:17 (fifteen years ago) link
It's not my all-time favourite from the list, but since I am apparently the first person on this thread to mention the Muses' "House Tornado", maybe I'll vote for that. I assume my other possible choices are going to do quite nicely for themselves anyway.
― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Perhaps 'Surfer Rosa'. But nowadays I like '16 Lovers Lane' better, so it gets my vote.
― zeus, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:23 (fifteen years ago) link
I, um, mentioned the number of the position 'House Tornado' came in at, does that count? It's probly my favourite Muses album. I was listening to a metal(ish) album this morning and one track had a bassline that sounds totally like something off this record! It cheered me
― DJ Mencap, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:40 (fifteen years ago) link
I forgot about that, DJ Mencap. Apologies (and to Michael Jones too). There is not even numerical love for Bug, but I can't say I dig it out very often, so, me neither.
― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Also if Bug was a single it might be in with a shout
-- Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:19 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Things I have learnt today: 1. I can't read; 2. ctrl-F doesn't work very well when 70+ messages are being hidden.
'S a fair summary, though.
― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:49 (fifteen years ago) link
I couldn't really get behind Bug here cos I don't think it was as great a record as You're Living All Over Me. Not that it was a disappointment, but I would always reach for YLAOM first.
― NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:51 (fifteen years ago) link
AR Kane as I know there's enough support for PE here. And I'm the only person here (guessing) who is missing Voice of the Beehive here (though the NME liked 'em a lot more)...
― 2for25, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Caroline Sullivan was quite keen on them IIRC but they didn't fit the MM agenda of blissed out/fascination over meaning &c.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Unlike All About Eve.
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Bummed is a bit of a glaring omission here isn't it?
― NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Indeed.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:12 (fifteen years ago) link
for LJagger re: a.r.kane
A.R. Kane - Green Hazed Daze - on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRz5YHPGDH4
― djmartian, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:25 (fifteen years ago) link
AR Kane had their own label for a bit, didn't they? H.ark! Records. Butterfly Child, Papa Sprain and one other band I can't recall released a couple of EPs each in late '91/early '92. And there was a collaboration with Alison out of them Cranes for the Rough Trade Singles Club - In Rain?
I saw Papa Sprain play a 20min set of feedback supporting Pale Saints and Boo Radleys in Liverpool in '92. I think it may have been a nod to their mentors, whose own live shows were something similar, I believe.
― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:31 (fifteen years ago) link
I saw that tour in Hull. Thought Papa Sprain was complete shite at the time. Maybe I'd've got it now.
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:32 (fifteen years ago) link
I was certainly in a minority in thinking it was ace.
― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:33 (fifteen years ago) link
This sounds pretty good!
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:36 (fifteen years ago) link
I loved the queasiness of 69. i never did much for me - it seemed a little meeker and cleaner. It was one of the first CDs I ever bought and I often wondered if that had something to do with it (but let's not get into the supposed sterility of early CD).
― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:39 (fifteen years ago) link
i would like ar kane a lot better as an instrumental band, though the singing on 69 isn't as much of a stumbling block for me as "i". i've been listening to 69 and isn't anything back to back a lot in the last few days in the run up to the round house thing and they complement each other, ar kane really were much more of an obvious influence on the rank and file 'gazers than mbv weren't they, pale saints, early lush etc.
― cw, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Amusing how low Daydream Nation is, considering how many UK bands started copying them and Dinosaur Jr. within the next few years.
I think this album holds up pretty well too: Eleventh Dream Day - Prairie School Freakout
Also missing Camper Van Beethoven, Naked Raygun, Slayer, Ambitious Lovers, Souled American, Woodentops, Napalm Death, Kreator, Feelies, Mano Negra, For Against, and there were certainly plenty of other great hip hop albums in addition to PE:
N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton EPMD - Strictly Business The Jungle Brothers - Straight Out The Jungle Boogie Down Productions - By All Means Necessary Ultramagnetic MCs - Critical Beatdown
Overall the list is a disgrace ;)
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Would add the first Galaxie 500 to the list of absentees as well, not that we're short of indie here.
― NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:06 (fifteen years ago) link
Ljagger: two a.r.kane 1988 tracks on myspace
http://www.myspace.com/arkane69
Baby Milk Snatcher Sperm Whale Trip Over
― djmartian, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:26 (fifteen years ago) link
I really, really, really, really loathe The Pogues. Sorry everyone. They're the fucking worst. Trad-Oirish fakey dullard bollocks from some public-school dropout with disgusting, avoidable health issues and a bullshit mythology. What "mythology" are you talking about?
― Jazzbo, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Hard-drinking fast-living Irish scallywags who sing the country's soul through the medium of folk
*vomits*
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh.
― Jazzbo, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:44 (fifteen years ago) link
I agree with the puzzlement expressed here regarding All About Eve. I quite liked them at the time, bought their first couple of 12"es...but I tried to play this stuff again more recently and was utterly baffled as to what was so wonderful about it. It was a nice Vaughan Oliver sleeve, though, on D for Desire.
Also it's kinda nice to see Wonder Stuff get a bit of a kicking...I loved "Never Loved Elvis" at the time, but yeah that first album was kinda annoying and they totally had no groove! I've never felt much of an urge to pull their stuff out, really. Can't remember a thing about whatever the album was after NLE.
I think I'll give A.R. Kane another try when I get home.
― Bimble, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 17:40 (fifteen years ago) link
I still have a soft spot for House of Love, but I'll always maintain their first album is their weakest. Nick Cave's Tender Prey is a mighty force of nature. So is House Tornado, but I'll probably vote for Cocteaus.
Daydream Nation is one of my least fave SY albums. I really should give Live Skull a go one of these days. Back then I ignored bands like them, but considering I've come around to Sonic Youth a lot since then, maybe I would feel differently now.
― Bimble, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 17:43 (fifteen years ago) link
It may be the boring, indie-canon choice - but Daydream Nation in a walk. Surfer Rosa in second. After that, there's not much I feel strongly about.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 17:51 (fifteen years ago) link
I do remember some of those other Nate Starkman label bands. I too had that Red Temple Spirits cassette! Don't remember liking it much. I liked Drowning Pool a lot, though especially when they lost their awful singer and put out the gorgeous, instrumental Aphonia album which I still play today. Then they got yet another awful singer and became the Mumbles!
― Bimble, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Hmmm, at the time the answer would have been Bug or House Tornado.
In the 90's it would have been Surfer Rosa (dated a girl who liked the Pixies) or Isn't Anything.
Now it's Spirit of Eden.
I've said this in other threads, but that Live Skull album is near the top of my list of "albums that you wish you liked cause the band has a cool name and it has a cool cover, and theoretically it ought to be great." My picks for '88 in that vein would be Rat at Rat R's "Stainless Steel" EP and "Gutterlight" by Dustdevils.
― dlp9001, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:05 (fifteen years ago) link
'In Gut's House' by Ut and the first Band of Susans go together with that lot too, both great records.
― NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:16 (fifteen years ago) link
Love that BoS album!
Other "Bug" from '88 worth mentioning is the Das Damen song from the very fine Marshmellow Conspiracy EP. That's another '88 vintage thing I still play occasionally.
I was thinking "how can Spacemen 3 not be on the list" but I see there was only a live album that year.
― dlp9001, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes, Band Of Susans - Hope Against Hope; what an album, what a title track!
The UK didn't get Straight Outta Compton until '89 but otherwise I totally agree with fastnbulbous' hip hop list except I would also add Follow The Leader by Eric B & Rakim.
And really To The Batmobile Let's Go by the Todd Terry Project should be VERY high up there somewhere (and the Royal House album).
And Spillane by John Zorn and Virgin Beauty by Ornette and...
― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 19 June 2008 09:46 (fifteen years ago) link
There was a Royal House album? I just didn't get "Party People" at all when it came out, in much the same way that I didn't get "Adventures Of Grandmaster Flash On The Wheels Of Steel" - it was a couple of jumps ahead of me, but I had an underlying hunch that there was something worth perservering with. Then "Can You Feel It" - which was virtually a remix of "Party People" anyway - came out and just exploded. It was my biggest floor filler for two or three weeks, just after "Big Fun" and just before "Voodoo Ray". And then there was Swan Lake, Black Riot, Todd Terry Project... ah, Todd-mania, happy days...
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 19 June 2008 09:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Yep - the Royal House album was entitled Can You Party? Standout track: "A Better Way" with vocals by the splendidly-named Ian Star.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 19 June 2008 10:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Wow, Hope Against Hope. There's an album I hadn't heard in nearly 20 years. I think I still have it on tape, which includes Love Agenda from the following year, and might even be better. Time is right for a reissue. Wired For Sound 1986-93 was issued in '95.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 19 June 2008 16:28 (fifteen years ago) link
No Critical Beatdown No Blood Fire Death No Bananarama's greatest hits No I Am Kurious Oranj No I'm Your Man No Reek of Putrefaction No South of Heaven No Great Adventures of Slick Rick No Don't Be Cruel No Lead Me On No Straight Outta Compton No ...And Justice For All, for the fucking love of Christ
this list wasn't even there in '88
― J0hn D., Thursday, 19 June 2008 18:11 (fifteen years ago) link