Rolling Teenpop 2006 Thread

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(OK, majorly contradicted myself by saying it doesn't sound like "empowerment" but it does...what I mean is there seems to be a way in teenpop to make a leap into underlying despair by altering music that might otherwise signify empowerment, maybe with goth, maybe just with minor-key gloom. I'm particularly interested to see what Kelly does next, to see how her own movement away from empowerment develops)

nameom (nameom), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

The choruses of "Rush" and "Fly" and "Come Clean" and "Everywhere" are catchy and engulfing and invite you in, and the first three have lyrics that invite you to do just that. Whereas the choruses of "Unforgiven" and "Shadow" and "I Am Me" hit outward, and the words are very other oriented. I like Eppy's phrase "strong wind at your back," and that applies to "Unforgiven" as much as the first four; and with "Unforgiven" you can hop aboard Fefe's chant and lash out along with her. But with the two Ashlee songs - and those are the two that strike me as sounding the most punk - you can try to hop aboard, but the wind can turn around and seer your face. It's like singing along with Jagger in "Under My Thumb" or Dylan in "Like A Rolling Stone" and Courtney in "Violet" and Stan in the third verse of "Stan"; you can do it, but you won't quite know where you're standing.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry to break into this interesting discussion, but must post this before I forget:

Chemicals React in SIMLISH with subtitles

zebedee (zebedee), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

and invite you in = invite you to enter

xpost

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I saw that a couple of weeks ago but thought they botched the subtitles by not, you know, translating back directly from the Simlish. That's what Mark Twain would have done.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Just want to link to my clutching stomach post upthread, so that it doesn't get overlooked.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh poo. YouTube had to take it down. But the Coop link is still operable.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

(Interesting: the Hilary vids that were up on the same day as the one they took down are still there, whereas this one was taken down. So I surmise that someone is monitoring what's there of her performances and letting most of them stay, but telling YouTube to take down the one where Hilary seems demonstrably under the weather.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I was putting too much pressure on the lyrics, the music's more what I'm trying to get at. It seems to cross rock's drive with a sort of acoustic (not just folk but "I Ain't Mad Atcha" or "Gone Away" or something) melanchoy to work in a range from bittersweet to overcoming-struggleism. The music is like a strong wind in that you get the sense that even if they lie down from sadness (or evenmoreso WHEN they lie down) external forces are going to keep rolling them along, although maybe I'm reading too much biography into that. (Or maybe I am overly amused by the image of Ashlee lying prostrate on the ground and then getting rolled along by a wind machine. It's nicely puncturing tragedy, though, which I certainly get a sense of in most of the songs that are successful to me. It's a very lived-in tragedy, not really hyperbolic even when it, um, is. I think I should go outside now.)

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 22 September 2006 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Here's a link to Michelle Branch's "Everywhere", which way upthread I'd claimed was the prototype for "Rush." (The "Everywhere" vid I linked isn't an official one, obviously, just one that I thought had pretty good sound quality.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 24 September 2006 03:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Now Ashlee Looks Exactly Like Jessica

[This in a small sidebox on the cover of In Touch.]

Hasn't that idea been run into the ground?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 24 September 2006 05:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Do Will To Power count as teen-pop?? either way, fans will happy to learn that bob rosenberg is still on the rampage (though he apparently thinks i'm still employed by the village voice):

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=51726984

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=51726984&MyToken=8ec723ce-cdc2-4fdd-9831-76a7630e78bdML

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 24 September 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Dave Itzkoff article on the Slumber Party Girls in the Times today, which I haven't actually read yet. (It's going with me to do laundry.)

Eppy (Eppy), Sunday, 24 September 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Journalists say the darndest things:

But there are no data to suggest that today’s ’tweens are any more discerning than their counterparts of 20 or 30 years ago; they may be the last group of listeners who are still susceptible to a Monkees-style all-media blitz.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I won't be in to work today because I caught another Monkees-style all-media blitz.

The Slumber Party Girls stream a few songs at their Geffen website..."Bubblegum" has a fun premise (that boy's got me chokin' on my bubblegum) and nice girl-rap section but they seem fairly bland overall. Still looking for a full version of the (only?) Trollz single "It's a Hair Thing" actually by the Valli Girls, who seem to have fallen between the tracks in this business.

nameom (nameom), Sunday, 24 September 2006 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

*between the cracks

nameom (nameom), Sunday, 24 September 2006 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Boring lead melody on "Bubblegum," and the dark-voiced singing doesn't help. "Good Times" won't stream for me, but the song in the background of the EPK sounds rather good, reminding me of Destiny's Child.

Ron Fair's the guy who prevailed upon Ashlee to cover "Invisible," which was a flop (and not as good as 25 or so other Ashlee songs) - though at this point if Ashlee recorded the greatest song in recording history she'd still struggle for airplay, being shut out by "adults" and too old for teenies.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 24 September 2006 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Given that this is the first I've heard of the Slumber Party Girls, I can't be too impressed with the all-media blitz. Does anyone remember the Beatles? They were a pop quartet that was incredibly adored by teenyboppers back when I was ten, and they were just inescapable on TV, on the radio, in the movies, in the magazines, even in the news. I mean, THAT was an all-media blitz. I was one of the few who resisted it.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 24 September 2006 23:53 (seventeen years ago) link

In less legitimate points: 1) the blonde girl is absolutely terrifying, 2) the clothes seem to have been flown in from 1993 (it's like Blossom with...no, it's just like Blossom), and 3) the mention of Dic and "unified theme" Saturday morning lineups brought me back to some of the darker days of my youth.

The fact that duder wasn't able to convincingly pull of the "they're just like a rock band" line is telling.

Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 25 September 2006 01:46 (seventeen years ago) link

IE:

But he insists the strategy can’t work if the music doesn’t. “People like to say it’s prefab or it’s manufactured or whatever, but it’s really no different than four guys getting together to form a band and going into a garage and creating a vibe for themselves,” Mr. Fair said. “Except for the fact that someone was at the helm, doing it.”

Enough to make a guy want to start a PR firm or something.

Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 25 September 2006 01:51 (seventeen years ago) link

What's the deal with Yo Gabba Gabba, anyway? (The "Ren and Stimpy" to Slumber Party Girls' "[insert product] Show"?) Is it ever actually airing? I read an update from July that said there might be DVDs in the future, but no television distribution. It needs an all-media blitz, but instead it's probably the first children's show hyped exclusively through blog buzz.

nameom (nameom), Monday, 25 September 2006 02:16 (seventeen years ago) link

darn, I missed most of Ashlee on the Charlotte Church show. Will try and catch the repeat later this week. Nose job or no nose job, though (and the schnozz is still quite distinctive IMO) she certainly looks nothing like her sister

I'm tempted to go see her in Chicago now, actually.

zebedee (zebedee), Monday, 25 September 2006 10:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Michelle's "Everywhere" would have been better if Slade had been backing her up and singing along. Or the Dolls. Or the Ying Yang Twins. Wouldn't mind these guys taking a shot at "La La," as well.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 25 September 2006 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I try to grow up but I am chased by my fears: Aly & A.J. "I Am One of Them" as AmberWatch PSA.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 25 September 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

This is really disturbing. The kind of "alertness" that they're suggesting (in the song) strikes me as more of a paralyzing fear of strangers and the outside world ("It's hard to look outside my door/ with all the news reports and more"), not really great as a spokesperson message.

But maybe it's appropriate for the AmberWatch foundation, judging from a recent initiative:

Children wearing an AmberWatch® can call attention to themselves at the touch of a button when threatened or scared. The AmberWatch’s trademarked alert signal and bright flashing LED lights call immediate attention to a child threatened with abduction or abuse.

Strange that the missing children site Aly and AJ referred to in their liners promotes the opposite message:

It is much more beneficial to children to help them build the confidence and self-esteem they need to stay as safe as possible in any potentially dangerous situation they encounter rather than teaching them to be "on the look out" for a particular type of person. The "stranger-danger" message is not effective and, based on what we know about those who harm children, danger to children is greater from someone they or their family knows than from a "stranger."

nameom (nameom), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, yeah, you're right, but I find something profound - not wise and articulate, but deep - in lines like "I try to grow up but I am chased by my fears" and "Don't let nobody tell you your life is over" - especially when put in contrast with "Into your head, into your mind, out of your soul, race through your veins, you can't escape, you can't escape." I.e., what you can't escape is the call of the world and the call of the wild. Race through your veins. "Can you feel it, can you feel it, rushin' through your head, rushin' through your head, can you feel it, can you feel it?" (Raw power is a guaranteed O.D. Raw power is a laughin' at you and me. Can you feel it? Can you feel it?) And the ultimate advice is, "Into the rush, you don't have to know how, know it all before you try." ("Both of us broken, caught in a moment, we lived and we loved, and we hurt and we jumped, yeah.") So: life scary, life not fair, you have to throw yourself into life to find your voice. They haven't yet tried to say it all at once in the same song ("Raw power got a healing hand/Raw power can destroy a man"). Maybe that's to come.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link

There's a smashing clip on Launch Yahoo of Platinum Weird playing "Will You Be Around" live, with Kara herself smashing in mini-skirt and fishnets (go here, and under Videos click "Will You Be Around: Live@Yahoo! Music Exclusive Performance"). There's a charming awkwardness to the way she gets into emotive postures.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess I'm overreacting.

All your doing, is taking these amazing songs full of compassion and care, letting your stupid little brain think the tiniest most far from reality thing about a part of the lyrics like I-I-I-I-I, and becoming freakishly paranoid about it!!!! What is your problem?!

nameom (nameom), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 23:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Coaching baseball this week I discovered that the most hummed or whistled song among 12 year-old boys is "Does Your Chain Hang Low."
-- curmudgeon (curmudgeo...), September 27th, 2006 6:07 AM.
are you sure it wasn't "do your ears hang low"

-- deej.. (clublonel...), September 27th, 2006.


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Whatever it's called, you know it's based on some old old traditional one...
Oh yeah, Kelefa wrote about it in the NY Times--

September 17, 2006 N.Y. Times
Playlist
Yo, Do Your Ears Hang Low?
By KELEFA SANNEH
Jibbs

It is one of the oldest tunes in the American repertory. In the 19th century it was a minstrel mainstay known, depending on the lyrics, as “Zip Coon” or “Turkey in the Straw.” More recently the same tune has been appropriated for a children’s song (“Do Your Ears Hang Low?”) and for the ice-cream-truck jingle that you may be hearing for a few more weeks. And now, thanks to the St. Louis rapper Jibbs, the old song provides the basis for a new hip-hop hit, “Chain Hang Low” (Geffen), which should still be playing on the radio long after the ice cream trucks have gone into hibernation. He raps — brays really — the verses and a chorus of children sings the refrain (“Do your chain hang low? Do it wobble to the flo’?/Do it shine in the light? Is it platinum? Is it gold?”). Perhaps without meaning to, Jibbs has updated one of the most popular melodies of the blackface era, reprising a song that has been stuck in American heads for a few centuries."


-- curmudgeon (curmudgeo...), September 27th, 2006.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

A thirteen-year-old I know has "Chain Hang Low" as the song on her MySpace page.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Supa Dups' Black Chiney Remix of Rihanna's "Unfaithful" is more enticing than the original. The reggae beat makes it go down much easier. According to Kelefa, the remix is a hit in the Caribbean. (Welcome home, Rihanna.)

(And you can download it free from Supa Dups' MySpace page.)

Rihanna's probably the most played nonteenpopper on Radio Disney (more than Bowling for Soup, Gnarls Barkley, Weezer, Tashbed, Powter, Usher, Black-Eyed Peas, Rascal Flatts, JoJo [whom I'm counting as a nonteenpopper, since her base of support seems to be CHR-Pop]). Of course, RD will never play "Unfaithful," but that doesn't mean the Disney audience won't make its way to that song.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

The attack of the Bels:

New on Disney this week: Belanova "Eres Tu," which is a wimpy Spanish-language version of "What I've Been Looking For" from High School Musical, which Gabreel & Tisdale did much better. (I like the other songs on the Belanova MySpace page more; smooth disco moods, I'd call 'em.)

New on Disney last week: Belinda "Why Wait." Belinda is a Mexican singer who did the great "Angel" a couple of years ago - it's like Madonna at her aching eightiesish best; the sound's too low on this YouTubed vid (you can go hear/see it on Launch Yahoo in its full glory*); it's well worth viewing for its wonderful morbidity. In fact, I insist you watch it. "Why Wait," unfortunately, isn't one-tenth as good. It's on Radio Disney 'cause it's featured in Cheetah Girls 2.)

Her current Mexican single, "Ni Freud Ni Tu Mamá" ("Knee Freud Knee Your Mother") is way better than "Why Wait," though it's no "Angel." I found this info about it on the Web:

"Ni Freud ni tu mamá" el nuevo tema de la superestrella mexicana Belinda, llega esta semana a la radio latina de EUA. Esta canción escrita por la propia intérprete, será la carta de presentación a su nuevo álbum "Utopía," el primero para EMI Televisa Music.

El tema es de corte pop de actitud honesta y decidida, original de la misma Belinda y producido por Kara DioGuardi, productora de estelares cantantes como Kelly Clarkson y Gwen Stefani.

*Don't know if you can get access to it overseas (just as I don't have access to Launch Yahoo's British vids).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Not sure if this or last week (or some week before that) marked the first time in a very very long time there's been NO Hilary Duff in the RD Top 30. Disney so far has had nothing to do with "Play with Fire," which isn't even eligible for online voting. Inexplicably eligible: The Raconteurs - Steady As She Goes. (Best audio at their site.)

nameom (nameom), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

"Steady As She Goes" isn't light years distant from the Jonas Bros' "Mandy" or "Year 3000." Whereas "Play With Fire" is an unabashed Kylie-style club track. That doesn't take it totally off the Radio Disney map; Disney is the only station in Denver that plays anything remotely close to techno and house and big beat, after all. But "Play With Fire" isn't matching up to much of the Disney chart these days. (Not that I expect "Steady As She Goes" to make it either.)

It's an interesting choice on Duff's part. Supposedly the album's going to be more of the same. Maybe she simply loves disco. It's a good track, but about one track per year hits in that style in the U.S. (This was Cascada's year, I guess.) It's not one of the Billboard Top 25 club tracks. It's getting no Top 40 play (well, seven spins nationwide last week). I wonder how it's doing in Australia. What's her relation to Disney? She's still on Hollywood Records.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

RBD's lame ballad "Tu Amor" is starting to break on on Top 40 and on R&B stations, though it's too early to tell if it'll go big. Swygart and Haikunym were trying to get us to pay attention to these guys earlier this year.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, inexplicable because it was introduced for eligibility without being voted on (pick/kick), don't understand why they would do that with that song. "Play with Fire" did pretty well on TRL, forget what the peak was but it was regularly in the Top Ten for a while. It's still in the top ten video streams at MTV.com.

nameom (nameom), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm wondering if Duff and Hollywood Records/Disney chose not to go for Radio Disney, thinking that she has to disassociate herself from teenpop if she wants to develop her career. I have no evidence for this; I'm just speculating.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 28 September 2006 04:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Asian version of "Breaking Free," put together by Disney Channel's Asian branch. Rather anemic; Nikki Gil, Vince Chong, and Alicia Pan. They're nowhere up to Zac Efron, Andrew Seeley, and Vanessa Hudgens. (Guess this puts all my grousing about Hudgens' voice in perspective. She certainly can project more passion and personality than these people. "Come Back to Me" still seems really mediocre.)

"Breaking Free," by the way, is written and produced by Jamie Houston, about whom I know almost nothing. A quick Google search finds that a Jamie Houston produced but did not write "It's Oh So Quiet" on the Ice Princess soundtrack, performed by Lucy woodward (and overdone show tune [Dave, didn't you tell me Bjork had done it first?], and he and Woodward wrote "What's Good For Me" which was on her album. Good, rousing, though not up to the best of her Shanks songs (or "Breaking Free"). There's a Jamie Houston on the credits of a couple of Michael Bolton songs; I don't know if that's the same guy. Probably is. Assuming they're all the same fellow, he's got a track on last year's Carlos Santana album, co-writes something on a James Dean Hicks album (guessing it's country), co-wrote the title track on Jessica Simpson's Sweet Kisses, wrote an O-Town song, co-wrote and Aaron Neville song, co-wrote an Aaron Carter song, a Cheetah Girls song, a Jennifer Paige song, etc. etc. etc. Don't think I've heard any but the Woodwards.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 28 September 2006 05:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Humility Award for 2006 goes to Supa Dups:

THE BIOGRAPHY OF BLACK CHINEY. Black Chiney, the sound, like Jesus, had very humble beginnings. The brainchild of Supa Dups it quietly came into being in September of 1999 as a mixed Reggae/Hip-Hop CD.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 28 September 2006 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Also referred to as "Jaime Houston" in the Lucy Woodward liners IIRC but I think it was a typo. Thought I saw the name in Girl Next, checking again it was "When There Was Me and You" from HSM. Here's the Bjork video. I always hear one of these lines as "You blow a fuse/ the Democrats lose."

nameom (nameom), Thursday, 28 September 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Paris Hilton's great "Nothing In This World" is flopping on Top 40, and Aly & A.J.'s "Chemicals React" is almost nonexistent there (only 73 spins throughout the entire U.S.). However, besides doing well on Radio Disney [and I'm guessing it's doing something but not a lot on MTV], "Chemicals React" is up to number 18 on the Billboard download chart; this has propelled it to 50 on the Hot 100. ("Rush" had peaked at 59.) Stay tuned.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks for linking the Bjork vid for "It's Oh So Quiet"; I enjoy it, though I'm not sure I'd play her version a lot if I owned it, any more than I play the Woodward. But doing musical comedy she's less of a basic irritant or bore than she is when she's weird in art or rock settings. (Maybe. I haven't given her enough of a chance, I guess.) Her decision to stick out strangely in all directions may fit better in a show-extravanganza context. Here's someone lipsynching to what might be Betty Hutton version, which is better than either Lucy's or Bjork's. Though it's not as good as this little bit o' murder.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 29 September 2006 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Why Harry Dumped Lindsay.

(A minibox on the cover of Star. No T of C, and I didn't have time to page through and find out who Harry is.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 30 September 2006 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Apparently Miley's sister Brandi (assuming older, not sure though) exists, but her Myspace page isn't streaming any music yet. Cites Paramore as a musical influence.

nameom (nameom), Sunday, 1 October 2006 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Italian band called Fisting Janet covers "Tangled Up in Me." Reminds me to finally post Skye on Leno from back when the debut came out, recently Youtubed.

nameom (nameom), Sunday, 1 October 2006 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Slideshow to Aly & A.J.'s other fear song, "Sticks and Stones," just so the rest of you will know what Dave and I are talking about. (Assuming that there's anyone else left in the room.)

And this is maybe my second favorite Aly & A.J. song, "Protecting Me". A basically blissful song (though one that has fear as its backdrop - IIRC it comes right after "I Am One of Them" on Into the Rush), yet there's something in the melody that gives the sound a weird twist of melancholy. The chords are all major key, but the melody centers around the sol note rather than the do note, and (in my ignorance of music theory) I suppose this has something to do with the hint of beautiful sadness. Also the grain of their voices. I'm referring to the melody parts like right at the beginning where they sing "You, you're always there for me when I need you most, day and night you're by my side, protecting me."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 2 October 2006 01:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I botched that "Protecting Me" link, so here's another one.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 2 October 2006 02:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe it's kind of super-muso-geeky to ask, but why are melotrons THE iconic keyboard sound in almost every teenpop record? Kelly, Lillix, Veronicas--it's like the default candied lonliness tone.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Monday, 2 October 2006 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe it's kind of super-ignorant-muso-critic to ask, but what IS the melotron keyboard sound? I don't think I've knowingly heard a melotron, though I gather that I've unknowingly heard it many many times. Which part of which Kelly, Lillix, Veronicas records use it?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I want to take back everything negative I've ever said about Vanessa Hudgens' singing. So what if it's a chirpy whine, at least she's something of a lively and straightahead singer. In other words, she's not Nikki Flores or Josh Hoge, who together combine on an earthbound, witlessly dull version of "Breaking Free". Flores is eighteen and Hoge's twenty-five, but this is clearly aimed for the adult contemporary market, an attempt to do for the song what HSM couldn't: get it radio play beyond Disney. Starts with a clomp of a piano (not a meletron, I take it), and then the pair do all these real-singer-type things, burrs in the throat and flutters on the tongue to express, you know, passion - characterless as far as any real personality goes, but quite irritating. Sort of the worst of what I'd call dinner-club rock 'n' soul. Flores doesn't have a bad voice, necessarily, just bad ideas of how to use it on this song. I might be willing to listen to her do another, though the bits that I do find OK in her performance here seem lifted from Hudgens'.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link


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