Rolling Teenpop 2006 Thread

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(Of course the setup for a whole slew of verse-chorus songs is that the verse parts tend to subdue the melody and the vocal pyrotechnics, so that singing isn't that far from talking - and then in the chorus everything lets loose, harmonies, call-and-response, melisma.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 18 September 2006 06:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Another(?)* Guardian article from Saturday about High School Musical... with a sidebar about the new wave of Disney pop stars. Looks better in the print version cos it has lots of colour pics.

*can't tell if it's the same as the one posted on Sept 11th as you have to register to view that one now

The soundtrack LP hits UK record stores today incidentally.

zebedee (zebedee), Monday, 18 September 2006 10:18 (seventeen years ago) link

oops, forgot to post the link. Here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguide/features/story/0,,1872453,00.html

zebedee (zebedee), Monday, 18 September 2006 10:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Staff writers are overworked and all, but the guy really should have, you know, written about the music a little, shouldn't he have?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Nope -- this is the UK. music is written about strictly in relation to how it is being marketed. (Of course that ought to include you know, what it sounds like...) So music is written about... badly.

alext (alext), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Clarify: not that the marketing isn't interesting or important or a part of the phenomenon and all, but I think the bias here (maybe elsewhere too, I'm not claiming this is unique) is either towards the image (emo is the new cool! emo sucks!) or in the broadsheet press, towards the mechanisms (people are saying 'emo is the new cool'). No-one (in the big press) really cares who is listening or why, or what it sounds like.

alext (alext), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I haven't heard any chatter here about the new Evanescence album - I assume because like me, everyone is overwhelmed by the amount of new music and hasn't been able to devote time to it. So last night I gave it my kinda-full-attention, and listened to the album a couple times. My first reactions:

The album is a downer. Musically and lyrically. I was prepared for the excitement and orgiastic sound from the last album ("My God - My Tourniquet," she shouted, matching her ecstasy over Jesus with a personal element of frantic singing). Instead most of the songs seem purposely underwhelming. If Amy Lee was aggressively overt in the first album, she's withdrawn and reserved on this album. Some of that might be due to the absense of the rap-metal singer Shaun Morgan (unsure if rap-metal is the precise musical term, but --), both in content ("Call Me When You're Sober") and musically - the aggression is missing.

Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

There's loads more to music journalism than what the songs sound like. Personally I like to read about the artist, where the song came from, who it appeals to etc. - the context is very important, as well as the description of the music and the feelings it gives the reviewer.

HSM is everywhere in the UK at the moment (frequent TV adverts for the film and CD, big posters and people wearing HSM t-shirts in the Disney store) but I can't tell if all this advertising is working. I guess we'll see when the album charts and viewing figures for its UK premiere (this Friday on the now free to view Disney Channel) are revealed. I do hope it takes off and am looking forward to seeing it on a proper TV screen (I first saw it by the miracle of YouTube just after it was on Disney USA).

Has anyone managed to acquire the full Fefe or Lillix album yet? I'm desperate to hear them, so if you have them I will trade whatever you like.

Jessica P (Jessica P), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I have the full Lillix and will let you know if I figure anything out (still no luck). I have most of the Dobson album but the PR people I spoke to were out of promos by the time I asked (which means you could probably find a few on ebay soon). I somehow doubt they'll bother to restock.

nameom (nameom), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Right. Just spent the best part of a week (on and off) reading this thread from the very beginning. And before posting anything I thought I'd better listen to something relevant. (I hope you appreciate my dedication.) So I just bought:

Ashlee's Autobiography

A compilation that came out last month on Hollywood Records called Girl Next
...or rather Smackers® (All the flavour of being a girl™) presents Girl Next

The comp is bookended by Frank's two favourite teenpop songs of the year - albeit in remixed form in one case - and in between it has all the rising girl stars of the Hollywood & Walt Disney Records rosters plus a handful of licensees from the majors. Includes several exclusive tracks, allegedly. Well, they were exclusive to CD a month ago at least. I dare say you can find all the songs on the interweb somewhere, not to mention on Radio Disney. Anyway, it's not a bad overview of what's big in 2006 if, like me, you're starting from scratch and don't have much opportunity to check out myspace or CDBaby. (Plus you get a Smackers lip gloss 'buy one get one free' coupon!)

A quick track-by-track:

1. Aly & AJ - "Rush" (Steve Augello remix) - Augello gives the song a house beat and strips out all the rock guitars. Also a more uniform dynamic; it doesn't have the slow build and sudden explosion of the original. But it's a pretty good version even so.

2. Cheetah Girls - "Cinderella". This song is off the Girls' first soundtrack album. Reminds me of early Christina Milian; I really like it.

3. Kelly Clarkson - "Breakaway (exclusive acoustic version)". Kelly sounds almost geriatric in this company. I've been completely indifferent to her music thus far (that DJ Earworm remix excepted) and this doesn't change things. Interested to see however that Avril co-wrote this - with Matthew Gerrard, who pops up again twice more on this CD...

4. Hilary & Haylie Duff - "Material Girl". From their summer movie. They slow it down a bit (I miss the driving drum beat of Madonna's version here) and they turn the bass line into a "la la" chant. Otherwise very similar to the original.

5. Everlife - "Real Wild Child". Chick-rock trio. No info about Everlife (ugh, what a generic rock band name) on the CD, just a picture of the girls, which suggests Josie & The Pussycats (1990s update). The song is pretty rockin' though, with nice Dave Grohl-like drumming.

6. Vannessa Anne Hudgens ("Gabriella from High School Musical") - "When There Was Me and You". This is her solo spot from the HSM soundtrack. Typically dreary Disney sludge, especially compared to the company it's keeping on this CD. This isn't on her imminent solo album, thankfully. She's got a great voice, though, and she's really pretty.

7. Joanna - "Ultraviolet". This is the 'other' Joanna mentioned upthread, the one signed to Geffen, and the song's from her album that came out recently. Glossy mid-tempo rock. Perfect for an episode of The OC.

8. JoJo - "Baby It's You". An anti-materialist love song with a reggaeton beat. From her first album. I hate to say this given it's 2 years old now, but this the best thing on the CD.

9. Hannah Montana - "Best Of Both Worlds". One of the songs from the HM Disney Channel TV show and forthcoming on the soundtrack album. Excellent power pop song - another Matthew Gerrard co-write (with Robbie Nevil). The lyrics basically explain the plot of the show. I love Miley's singing on this, it sounds like she's not taking life or the record remotely seriously.

10. Marié Digby - "Fool". No, me either. One of the exclusives, suggesting this is a new name. But don't get excited, this song is very dull.

11. Jeannie Ortega feat. Papoose - "Crowded" Any relation of Kenny perchance? Still, this is a bumpin' R&B tune, with a really good guest rap. According to the profile in the CD booklet (not everyone gets one), "Crowded" is 'a massive hit!' So there! Official website: http://www.jeannieortega.com/

12. Hayden Panettiere - "Your New Girlfriend". Child actress, "the current fresh face of Neutrogena" and having just turned 17 she's moving into pop. This is her debut single, album due in 2007. She's got quite a high, squeaky voice but that sits well on top of this power pop song. Another Matthew Gerrard co-write, with Bridget Benenate and Hayden herself. No myspace yet it seems, but her official site is http://www.haydenpanettiere.com/

13. Jordan Pruitt - "Outside Looking In". The "featured track from Disney Channel's Original Movie 'Read It And Weep'". I like this a lot. Jordan totally sells the "you don't know what it's like to be a teen outcast" lyric, and she has a really mature voice for a 15 year old.

14. Veronicas - "4Ever". Y'all know this obv. To be honest, I'm kinda bored of the Max Martin/Dr Luke sound now, but this is OK. Check out all the angry moms complaining on the Amazon page I linked to above about the lyrics to this!

Jeff W (zebedee), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

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I've got the Lillix but in copy-protected form. It's out in Canada and maybe Japan, won't be out in the U.S. until next January at the earliest (Maverick's no longer an entity, so they're on mother-label Warners, and this has held things up). You can get it from MapleMusic, presumably with shipping charges tacked on.

Have only listened a few times; a reasonably tuneful rock band, when you come down to it, nothing else remotely as catchy as "Sweet Temptation." There's a very good song called "Get Off Easy" that's got a '60s organ going, though the tunefulness gets a bit buried in the overall sound. That's what I'd say about the album as a whole, actually, though I haven't found a way to analyze what goes wrong in the arrangements. If I could afford to buy albums this one would still be borderline. (But then, "Sweet Temptation" is worth a lot on its own right, and if this were the only way to hear it...)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

(Lillix streams three of the four best songs from Inside the Hollow on their MySpace page, as well as the best song from their first album.)

Haven't heard five of those tracks on the Disney comp. As I've been saying, this hasn't been my favorite year for Radio Disney. Best 2006 songs on the playlist (not counting "Chemicals React," which I'm warming to) are JoJo's "Too Little Too Late," Gnarls Barkley's "Crazy," and the Tashbed's "Unwritten." This does not speak well for the state of teenpop. "Too Little Too Late" has stalled in the second tier, spins in the mid-thirties (as opposed to Vanessa Hudgens' boring "Come Back to Me" at 79 spins). Most of the rest is OK, but...

Rising tracks: Belinda "Why Wait" (I have no idea who, what this is), Hannah Montana "If We Were a Movie," Ashley Tisdale "Kiss the Girl."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey you could have won "Girl Next" from Stylus! There may still be copies available. It's a pretty good comp, highlight (of the ones not talked about here already) is probably Hayden P, who has a deal with Hollywood now. Play has a better version of "Cinderella"; Everlife is a Christian rock trio that started doing Disney one-offs and ended up with a record deal with Hollywood, that song isn't bad but jeeeez they've been promoting it like crazy. The "Rush" remix is pretty awful, not really a song that needed such a drastic reworking (like "Come Clean," which improved in the remix version). Really like the "Material Girl" cover, though.

nameom (nameom), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I may have found Lillix on eBay - just have to check UK postage rates. Do you think I'd end up paying extra VAT on top of it? I did once when I ordered from Amazon USA, which was annoying.

Jessica P (Jessica P), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

The link between all these stars (including Lillix) is their PR company, also responsible for Popgeneration.

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When I was in England I don't remember extra shipping charges aside from the overseas rates, but I could be wrong. You could also contact the above PR people if you think you might be able to cover the album somewhere.

nameom (nameom), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Oooh that's a good idea! Do you think they would send me a free copy if I was going to write about it on Dirrrty Pop (which of course I would) or do I have to pretend to write about it somewhere more popular? I'll see if Stylus has done a Lillix review yet...

Jessica P (Jessica P), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 22:19 (seventeen years ago) link

The music on the soundtrack here is Cheyenne Kimball's "I Want To," which I'm linking because Kimball co-wrote it with Kara DioGuardi and Greg Wells, the duo whom Lohan wrote most of her second album with. I think it's a pretty good song ("Hanging On" is even better); the way people praise Kimball could be designed to antagonize the people who post on this thread. E.g., Stephen Thomas Erlewine at Allmusic: "unlike other teen singers, she can control her voice, giving it shading and texture, and she has a stronger musical foundation than such teen tarts as Ashlee, which helps give the album a backbone and depth." Fact is, Cheyenne's "shading and texture" don't communicate one hundredth the personality or feeling or passion of a Simpson or a Lohan. The timbre/character of her voice seems indistinguishable from a lot of other teen voices, so far as I can tell. But personality isn't the only criterion on which to judge music, and fact is that Kimball's got good songs and a natural ease to her singing, and a good wail. Of the four tracks on her MySpace page, "Hanging On" is quite good, and of the other three, "One Original Thing" is likable and dramatic (the chords at the start remind me of Iggy's "The Passenger"), "Four Walls" is just as likable, which is an achievement for a ballad, and "The Day Has Come" isn't bad. Live clips on YouTube of "Breaking Your Heart" have miserable sound, but the song sounds catchy; it's co-written by John Rich, hero of the Rolling Country Thread.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 06:32 (seventeen years ago) link

"Hello Goodbye" is the other Kimball-DioGuardi-Wells track on the album, and it's pretty good, too.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 06:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Er. OK, what am I trying to say? She (so far at age 16) totally does not deserve to be a star* since she's totally generic anonymous teenpop rock confessional. And she's not even as consistently "pretty good" as I was trying to convince myself in the wee wee hours. But there's no reason in principle that generic anonymous teenpop confessional can't be great, just as generic anonymous disco can be great and generic anonymous Europop can be great - and maybe anonymous confessional* is more interesting as an idea (though not as music), since of course part of the genre is to claim that you're the individual who can't and won't fit in. But as for my listening experience, if I just come along and hear the (genuinely) great albeit anonymous whining harmonized wailing chorus of "Hanging On" I can say to myself, "Yes, I like this music, I'm with it," just as I can when I hear a snatch of great freestyle or Europop, in passing.

(Though when I pay attention to the lyrics - "I'm hanging on today/Nothing's gonna stop me anyway/I'm holding on, I'm strong/I'm the only one who can make a change" - I so get the sudden urge to go listen to "Sister Ray" or "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now.")

*The term "anonymous confessional" coined by Dave Moore.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:14 (seventeen years ago) link

And what about the generally way way way better Aly & A.J.? Are they any less anonymous? I mean, their basic voices. Sure, you can hear harmonies and say, "Oh that must be Aly & A.J." And in their lyrics they follow genuinely interesting concerns (almost a stream of consciousness, on the one hand this, on the other that, Get Into The Rush But Don't Get Into Cars With Strangers And You Taunt And Torment Me There Is Absolutely Nothing I Can Do - But I'm Invincible Inside And When You're Reaching For Help There'll Be No One, And Mom Or Someone Will Aways Be There To Protect Me (Because I Need Protection!) And I'm Walking On Sunshine. Hmmm. I'm listening to this as a type, and I can hear something subtly but distinctively brown or burnt in their voices. Just a touch of charcoal there, but it adds to their strength. So, um, let's cancel my claim that they're anonymous. They're just not as in-your-face, recognize-me-in-two-seconds as Ashlee or Lindsay or Pink or Avril.

Aly & A.J. can be really good.

So my conclusion about Cheyenne Kimball is that she's best when you run across her in snatches in the background, but full-on she's a bore. </being generous and open-minded about a mediocrity who's being used to bash my beloved Ashlee>

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, with a group like the Veronicas, "anonymous" is really just confusing the personality you're supposed to identify with by giving you two interchangable Veronicas (that is, they still have personality). Cheyenne is anonymous to the extent that she isn't distinctive or interesting. One question is whether or not to be a successful personality in confessional you have to be have the qualities of a star (that asterisk didn't lead anywhere), and then what those qualities are exactly.

If you count something like Jessica Harp's "Perfectly" as confessional, that might be a good contender for interesting idea/execution...it was literally anonymous, done by Huckapoo on the Disney Pixel Perfect OST, and just as good as any confessional song by a bigger personality/star. That one was performed by a member of Huckapoo (the original "Joey Thunders") who left the group soon after "Perfectly" was recorded, so who knows if she had star potential.

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nameom (nameom), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Several posts ago I meant to write "listening to this as I type," though maybe I was listening to this as a type, as well.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

But who knows if ex-Joey/Huckapoo (who never did anything like "Perfectly" again) would be able to sustain goodness over a whole album. Aly and AJ aren't consistently good, but they're (fairly) consistently interesting for the conflicts that come up. There's no real conflict in Cheyenne's music, only the hooks. (Aly and AJ don't make it solely on hooks, though their best ones are probably better than Cheyenne's best ones.)

nameom (nameom), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Aly and A.J. are consistently good in their singing, I'm realizing, though I'd say about a third of the tunes on their album are forgettable. But the more I hear them the more I hear, if you know what I mean. Even while loving "Rush" I'd tended to underrate Aly & A.J.

"Perfectly" struck me as good but not great, but I take it that the Jessica Harp version I've got isn't the Huckapoo original.

Speaking of furture Wrecker Harp, maybe "Everywhere" by Michelle Branch is the anonymous confessional masterpiece (a great sounding voice but not a distinctive one, and the "you" the song is apparently addressed to seems an utter blank). (The "maybe" in the previous sentence is deliberate, since I really don't know Branch's work all that well, so I may be totally and completely all wrong about her.)

Floating asterisk meant to be "*Just as Merry Clayton and Martha Wash didn't deserve to be stars." (Clayton and Wash had great big soul voices that were effectively used as soul tropes on rock and disco and house music; Clayton the gospel-like voice on "Gimme Shelter"; Wash one of Sylvester's backup singers, later half of Two Tons Of Fun/Weather Girls and then the big voice on "Everybody Everybody" and "Gonna Make You Sweat (Everybody Dance Now)." And once again I don't really know either Clayton or Wash's careers at all well enough to really make the claim I just did, but if my claim is right IT'S A SPOT-ON ANALOGY. Cheyenne is best as a trope. But compared to Aly & A.J. she's a nebbish.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost Oops, sorry I missed your question above Frank. I do love "Rush" now, thank you, and it's totally what I'm talking about--instead of punk's "fuck you I won't do what you tell me" it's "to hell with you, I'm going to be OK on my own." Focused on the individual rather than the other, and so necessarily more monastic than punk/rock's everybody-come-together-in-resistance anthems. It starts from the "I am sad" parts of ballads (from wherever) and then the choruses are celebrating overcoming that rather than wallowing in it, which is an interesting contrast with what grunge did with its loud choruses (i.e. either "I am angry" or "this is awesome"). But also so broad that everyone can feel individually empowered, and so it's a bunch of individuals all feeling independently empowered by the same thing, which is characteristic of the generation in question, I think. The confessional must be leavened with overcoming what is being confessed to. Maybe? But I think it has to be, if it's pop.

Aly & AJ as personalities kind of creep me out to be totally honest, but given the individualism it is an interesting ambiguity that there's two of 'em.

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I do like their voices, though, especially what happens to them on the high notes, it's endearing. I want to say "I wish Lindsay would lets hers do this more" but, um, I don't know if she does already or not. She's going to have a great rasp going by the next album though!

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, in "Rush" Aly and AJ do what Hilary does in "Fly," which is to speak directly to the audience, cut the middleman and just say straight up "go be empowered!" There is no "I" in "Rush" (um, not meant to be a dumb joke), it's about "you." When "I" comes in with Aly and AJ, they don't always say that they can overcome, in fact on "I Am One of Them," they're sort of saying they can't overcome the obstacle... I-I-I-I am one of them (a potential victim). And often their empowerment isn't nearly as convincing as their fear.

nameom (nameom), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

(er, the middleman being themselves, asking an audience to relate to them first, and find empowerment vicariously)

nameom (nameom), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess I always hear a musical element of triumphalism even if the lyrics are more ambiguous? Like a strong wind at your back even if you're nervous.

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

(Which you don't really get in confessional music in other genres.)

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

instead of punk's "fuck you I won't do what you tell me" it's "to hell with you, I'm going to be OK on my own." Focused on the individual rather than the other, and so necessarily more monastic than punk/rock's everybody-come-together-in-resistance anthems.

I'm wondering if teenpop does this "I'm going to be OK on my own" in the sound, while often enough the words refuse to cooperate. I'd say that Ashlee, Lindsay, Kelly C., and Aly & A.J. are pretty sure they won't be OK on their own, 'cept Ashlee complicates things (of course) by saying that self-assertion and independence is the precondition of her not being alone, and maybe believes that she may well end up alone and will have to live with it. Think of the arc in her songs that goes from "Right now I'm solo but that will be changing eventually" (album 1, track 1) to "There's no way back/And what if there was/You'd still be you and/I'd still have to say goodbye" (album 2, final track).

Um, that "pretty sure they won't be OK" in the last sentence isn't quite right. Their songs cover a range of moods and prospects just as people in their day-to-day lives shift moods and prospects, and a pop album usually covers many different parts of the romance cycle, heartbreak and joy and despair and re-assertion all getting their licks in.

xpost, but what I said seems to fit, except there's a hint of a shadow in "Rush," exhorting the kids to understand that their life isn't over, which means they know damn well that some kids (or many kids in some moments) are ready to turn their face to the wall, no joke. Just as way back in the teenpop when, the Dixie Cups singing in "Chapel of Love" "And we'll never be lonely anymore" are sneaking in the thought - well, Jeff Barry and Ellie Greenwich are sneaking it in - that loneliness is the base of teen existence.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Although it doesn't even sound like they're going to be OK some of the time, though this rarely comes through in established singles ("Because of You" being a huge exception if it counts). It's staring at the base loneliness and really not offering anything to overcome it..."Because of You" is only terrifying, ditto "One of Them," "Confessions of a Broken Heart." There's a way that confessional teenpop can sneak away from "empowerment" until you're just sort of wallowing in the underlying loneliness, but you can still keep the sound that signified (and often still signifies, like in Cheyenne's music) empowerment, like a bridge from implicit despair to explicit.

nameom (nameom), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link

(OK, majorly contradicted myself by saying it doesn't sound like "empowerment" but it does...what I mean is there seems to be a way in teenpop to make a leap into underlying despair by altering music that might otherwise signify empowerment, maybe with goth, maybe just with minor-key gloom. I'm particularly interested to see what Kelly does next, to see how her own movement away from empowerment develops)

nameom (nameom), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

The choruses of "Rush" and "Fly" and "Come Clean" and "Everywhere" are catchy and engulfing and invite you in, and the first three have lyrics that invite you to do just that. Whereas the choruses of "Unforgiven" and "Shadow" and "I Am Me" hit outward, and the words are very other oriented. I like Eppy's phrase "strong wind at your back," and that applies to "Unforgiven" as much as the first four; and with "Unforgiven" you can hop aboard Fefe's chant and lash out along with her. But with the two Ashlee songs - and those are the two that strike me as sounding the most punk - you can try to hop aboard, but the wind can turn around and seer your face. It's like singing along with Jagger in "Under My Thumb" or Dylan in "Like A Rolling Stone" and Courtney in "Violet" and Stan in the third verse of "Stan"; you can do it, but you won't quite know where you're standing.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry to break into this interesting discussion, but must post this before I forget:

Chemicals React in SIMLISH with subtitles

zebedee (zebedee), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

and invite you in = invite you to enter

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Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I saw that a couple of weeks ago but thought they botched the subtitles by not, you know, translating back directly from the Simlish. That's what Mark Twain would have done.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Just want to link to my clutching stomach post upthread, so that it doesn't get overlooked.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh poo. YouTube had to take it down. But the Coop link is still operable.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

(Interesting: the Hilary vids that were up on the same day as the one they took down are still there, whereas this one was taken down. So I surmise that someone is monitoring what's there of her performances and letting most of them stay, but telling YouTube to take down the one where Hilary seems demonstrably under the weather.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I was putting too much pressure on the lyrics, the music's more what I'm trying to get at. It seems to cross rock's drive with a sort of acoustic (not just folk but "I Ain't Mad Atcha" or "Gone Away" or something) melanchoy to work in a range from bittersweet to overcoming-struggleism. The music is like a strong wind in that you get the sense that even if they lie down from sadness (or evenmoreso WHEN they lie down) external forces are going to keep rolling them along, although maybe I'm reading too much biography into that. (Or maybe I am overly amused by the image of Ashlee lying prostrate on the ground and then getting rolled along by a wind machine. It's nicely puncturing tragedy, though, which I certainly get a sense of in most of the songs that are successful to me. It's a very lived-in tragedy, not really hyperbolic even when it, um, is. I think I should go outside now.)

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 22 September 2006 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Here's a link to Michelle Branch's "Everywhere", which way upthread I'd claimed was the prototype for "Rush." (The "Everywhere" vid I linked isn't an official one, obviously, just one that I thought had pretty good sound quality.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 24 September 2006 03:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Now Ashlee Looks Exactly Like Jessica

[This in a small sidebox on the cover of In Touch.]

Hasn't that idea been run into the ground?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 24 September 2006 05:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Do Will To Power count as teen-pop?? either way, fans will happy to learn that bob rosenberg is still on the rampage (though he apparently thinks i'm still employed by the village voice):

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=51726984

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=51726984&MyToken=8ec723ce-cdc2-4fdd-9831-76a7630e78bdML

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 24 September 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Dave Itzkoff article on the Slumber Party Girls in the Times today, which I haven't actually read yet. (It's going with me to do laundry.)

Eppy (Eppy), Sunday, 24 September 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Journalists say the darndest things:

But there are no data to suggest that today’s ’tweens are any more discerning than their counterparts of 20 or 30 years ago; they may be the last group of listeners who are still susceptible to a Monkees-style all-media blitz.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I won't be in to work today because I caught another Monkees-style all-media blitz.

The Slumber Party Girls stream a few songs at their Geffen website..."Bubblegum" has a fun premise (that boy's got me chokin' on my bubblegum) and nice girl-rap section but they seem fairly bland overall. Still looking for a full version of the (only?) Trollz single "It's a Hair Thing" actually by the Valli Girls, who seem to have fallen between the tracks in this business.

nameom (nameom), Sunday, 24 September 2006 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

*between the cracks

nameom (nameom), Sunday, 24 September 2006 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Boring lead melody on "Bubblegum," and the dark-voiced singing doesn't help. "Good Times" won't stream for me, but the song in the background of the EPK sounds rather good, reminding me of Destiny's Child.

Ron Fair's the guy who prevailed upon Ashlee to cover "Invisible," which was a flop (and not as good as 25 or so other Ashlee songs) - though at this point if Ashlee recorded the greatest song in recording history she'd still struggle for airplay, being shut out by "adults" and too old for teenies.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 24 September 2006 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Given that this is the first I've heard of the Slumber Party Girls, I can't be too impressed with the all-media blitz. Does anyone remember the Beatles? They were a pop quartet that was incredibly adored by teenyboppers back when I was ten, and they were just inescapable on TV, on the radio, in the movies, in the magazines, even in the news. I mean, THAT was an all-media blitz. I was one of the few who resisted it.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 24 September 2006 23:53 (seventeen years ago) link


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