Sacred cows from the dance canon that are now irrelevant

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Pashmina otm, well articulated dude

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 8 December 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

> Over a hundred posts and everyone still loves each other!

Personally speaking, I'd like to give a good kicking to some of the philistines who've stuck their heads over the parapet in this thread...

― Palomino (Palomino), Monday, 8 December 2003 19:18 (twenty years ago) link

Musical Mobb - Pulse X

― Shahid, Monday, 8 December 2003 19:19 (twenty years ago) link

haha have you listened to the bulk of ukg twelves still coming out these days?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 19:28 (twenty years ago) link

at least 50% are still variations on "pulse x".

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 19:29 (twenty years ago) link

Under Mi Sleng Teng would sound pretty terrible to a young person I think.

― Shahid, Monday, 8 December 2003 19:37 (twenty years ago) link

i was actually gonna say "under mi sleng teng" as much as it pains me.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 19:38 (twenty years ago) link

whatever. songs about weed = more popular than ever!!

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 8 December 2003 19:52 (twenty years ago) link

a straight-down-the-line edit of "Atlantis" is on pirate radio in Holloway right now

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 8 December 2003 19:55 (twenty years ago) link

nu-dnb you mean, hand?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 19:58 (twenty years ago) link

"Under Mi Sleng Teng" seems like the direct template for a good percentage of music today!?!? I can't imagine it still not moving kids in Jamaican dancehalls.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 December 2003 20:07 (twenty years ago) link

i think we're all getting mixed up with "irrelevant" vs. "sounds old" vs. "sounds crap", myself included.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 20:10 (twenty years ago) link

I'm personally waiting for samples from aqueous/ambient jungle to start to filter into nu-grime's pallette of exotic sounds. There was a great uplifting MC garage track from '01 by Zoom & DBX (I think) which was almost entirely based on an old Adam F tune ("Aromatherapy" I think)! And Target is ripe to sample something like "The Bell Tune" or "Music" or "The Western".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:15 (twenty years ago) link

as long as they dont use that bloody jungle/bird call sound that is like, on every bukem tune. ARTCORE!!!!!1

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 11:58 (twenty years ago) link

just slowing down the 'artcore' tracks would probably suffice. i'd rather hear those sounds in hip-pop more than anything else. classic rave sounds also work pretty well when used by American r n' b/hip hop producers.

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 12:02 (twenty years ago) link

I nearly spent 16 quid on a compilation last night for Poomp Oop The Jaam. It's a sad life being online but not being able to play mp3s...

What?

― Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 12:09 (twenty years ago) link

haha reasons why hardcore is back in a big way #4634: i was listening to a short versh of charlton lido's "trife dance primer" in the kitchen last night, doing dishes, and my landlady comes in and says "you have turn that off, i can't stand that noise" but my hands were soapy so she goes over to the radio and starts fiddling with the tuning knob... and nothing changed!! i kept shtum and watched her start to freak out... her CD player... it was possessed!! AAAGGGGH the goggles do nothing! at the last possible second i was like "it's a CD" and she just left it on and left the room, she couldn't believe anyone would CHOOSE to listen to this stuff. but i guess johnny l, 2 bad mice, etc really is close enough to stuff you hear on the pirate stations now to fool her... minus the piano breakdowns of course, which are like my favorite part :(

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

omg move

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 16:17 (twenty years ago) link

...well, um, I'm working on the 1988 comp, and most of the stuff mentioned here is going on that comp. For me, I have to admit it's a bit of a nostalgic rush for me. I have no idea who it will go over for those who never heard it.

Although, i think to some degree, that 303 will never lose an audience somewhere in the world.

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 16:20 (twenty years ago) link

("We call it Ac-IEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!")

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 16:21 (twenty years ago) link

if she'd switched it to Moby i'd have been REALLY upset, steve

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 16:21 (twenty years ago) link

oooh why i oughta

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 16:25 (twenty years ago) link

i swear my landlady is the ultimate scared cow

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 19:04 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...

Chemical Brothers circa Exit Planet Dust. Thrilling for about 10 seconds then you realise the trick and it's drab and debilitating for the rest of the album.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 15 August 2005 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, for the record, everyone outside a few HATED Lil' Louis at the time. This isn't meant as a dis on Lil' Loius by any means.. the fact that most people were befuddled when confronted with the full version of "French Kiss" on a 1989 dancefloor was quite subversive... but Lil' Louis became more of a sacred cow well after "French Kiss" was released, especially thanks to that Warp Classic collection.

― donut ferry (donut), Monday, 15 August 2005 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Coldcut, S'Express, Bomb The Bass, lots of acid house, "hip house", and the last breaths of the SAW machine were ruling 1989 dance music, though..

I do agree with Tim Simenon and Mark Moore's inclusion, as much as I think Tim's work post BTB was a bit underrated and overlooked (i.e. Depeche Mode production)

― donut ferry (donut), Monday, 15 August 2005 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Fret not, Mr. DF -- Dan, Tim Finney and I are also all agreed on Tim/Depeche being one hell of a combination. (I would also direct interested parties to Simenon's production of the last full Gavin Friday solo album as such, Shag Tobacco, which is pretty damn stellar.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 August 2005 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Tim also produced the last Tackhead single "Videohead", which was a total departure for the band, but probably their only good post-80s work ever, FWIW.

The line of questioning for this thread (granted, it's two years old) is a bit suspect though.. Sacred cows aren't born sacred calves.. or at least weren't in the late 80s. There wasn't this type of eager journalism scrambling to proclaim the "next big artist" as much as "the next big scene". Time, and falling apart before being discovered en masse, are the two elements that make a "sacred cow", usually.. see: Pixies, Slint.. in the college rock context.

― donut ferry (donut), Monday, 15 August 2005 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, "sacred cows" are cows in the end. They don't live forever. Except Kraftwerk, who are sacred cyborg-cattle.

― donut ferry (donut), Monday, 15 August 2005 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

We'll have to kill them too. We are pitiless.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 August 2005 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Why don't we just change the title of this thread to "BEST DANCE SONGS EVER"?

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, 15 August 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I do agree about "French Kiss" though. That song SUCKS!!

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, 15 August 2005 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Everyone who is dissing "French Kiss" is mental. Best trance song ever.

That song used to kill on dancefloors here (even the full version), so my sense of its public perception is extremely different from yours, DF.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 15 August 2005 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the song just translated badly in most mainstream American dance clubs... New Jack Swing was taking off here, in parallel to the rising popularity of Bobby Brown and Bel Biv Devoe.. and you also had MC Hammer, and a lot of Clivelle & Cole and Jam & Lewis produced stuff... so having a track like "French Kiss" getting marketed with the same money and getting played must have been a shock to U.S. club-goers at the time. (and again, for subversity's sake, thumbs up!)

― donut ferry (donut), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

but Lil' Louis became more of a sacred cow well after "French Kiss" was released, especially thanks to that Warp Classic collection.
-- donut ferry (do...), August 15th, 2005 3:28 PM. (donut)

lil louis isn't on the warp compilation! your point is well taken, though ...

one artist who currently does enjoy a massive (and perhaps for the wrong reason) reputation in large part thanks to the warp 10+1 collection: MR FINGERS.

if most people knew that most of his output sounds closer to men at work or simple minds than to "can u feel it" or "washing machine", would he be this popular?

also, would people have a different perspective on the evolution of dance music if "what about this love?" were considered as canonical as "washing machine"?

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 00:14 (eighteen years ago) link

actually, the real question is, given the current cultural + artistic relevance of r&b-slanted deep house, and the increasing irrelevance and essential staleness of acid house (thx, IDM dorks for the 1000th lame "cornish acid" revival album), why does "what about this love?" get the shaft?

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

(aagh, I confused Lil Louis with A Guy Called Gerald, re: Warp comp.. sorry.)

― donut ferry (donut), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 00:20 (eighteen years ago) link

(though, I'm surprised "French Kiss" didn't get put on that Warp comp, in retrospect.. but anyway)

― donut ferry (donut), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe cause it would makes all of autechre's "wandering tempo" trickery circa LP5 look hamfisted?

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link

"the current cultural + artistic relevance of r&b-slanted deep house"

What do you have in mind by this Vahid?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link

haha the first time i heard the first mr. fingers/fingers inc. album i was pretty taken aback

― strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 16 August 2005 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe Severed Heads and Fad Gadget were left off the comp for similar reasons? - xpost

― donut ferry (donut), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 00:29 (eighteen years ago) link

What do you have in mind by this Vahid?

1) the vocal end of poppy microhouse (luomo-core?) is getting deep housier all the time, as is vocal broken beat.

2) it's the one dance music that goes over well w/ hipsters and proles over on the other side of the rap/dance divide (theo parrish for the hipsters, jill scott remixes for the proles)

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link

also the fact that basement jaxx ALONE have made more hot freaked-out jazzy house headfuck "moments" than everybody else put together has done w/ acid (outside of dropping "washing machine" or "percolator" or "narco makossa" into a set)

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 00:37 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe what i am saying is a different thread. what's the opposite of a sacred cow? um, "taboo styles from the dance canon that are now irrelevant": ragga jungle, jazzy / latin house, trance ... what's next?

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 00:38 (eighteen years ago) link

probably nu skool breaks. the meat katie fabric mix was almost listenable. the james lavelle GU mixes are listenable but only because they are sort of hybrid tribal house / nu skool breaks mixes.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 00:40 (eighteen years ago) link

aw man, talk about such a universal dip in quality for a subsub dance genre.. vahid nailed it. I can't even get excited about Tipper or Si Begg anymore. :( (although i'm glad I still have "Fuzzy Logic", "Move Back", "Planetrock Futureshock", and "Paranoia" from back in the day.)

― donut ferry (donut), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 00:47 (eighteen years ago) link

another interesting question (maybe) is, "styles from the dance canon with the most longevity". as in what (not necessarily micro) micro-faction of dance has simply never gone out of style? i doubt either of these questions have an actual answer because of how cyclical the culture around the canon is.

― tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 00:48 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost

"twister (dynamic bass mix) / get up on your feet"!!

"dig the new breed"!

"under glass"! "se15"! "boomin back atcha"!

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 00:54 (eighteen years ago) link

ohhh bugger, bukem was gonna be the sour centrepiece of a mammoth target/aim high 2 jihad ive been tempted to fulfil for ages! and u were waiting for it all along...

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 00:54 (eighteen years ago) link

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