"I'm drowning for your thirst/Drowning for your thirst": The official WOWEE ZOWEE REISSUE anticipation thread

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can we seee some documentation on this pls?

from the matador discography:

OLE-722 2 dbl CD Pavement -- Wowee Zowee DELUXE Fall 2006

rajeev (rajeev), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

chaki otm, and also i like the sprawling extended jamness of it.

jacques lu c on t (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Sprawl is a good word when describing this record. That's why the reissue has such great potential. Double the sprawl.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

so...what will the extra material be? is there a bunch of heretofore unknown material from these sessions like there was for CRCR? obviously, the various b-sides..."Easily Fooled" i think is my favorite, but I recall being slightly disappointed by it when it came out, having heard a better live rendition. And the Peel session is better too, I think...

Tyler W (tylerw), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah great record - its one of those ones where the immediate standouts slowly absorb the between parts, until the whole thing sort of glistens like the new day

SQUARECOATS (plsmith), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

their very breast album!

FAN DEATH (teenagequiet), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i love wowee zowee and all but i really think slanted/enchanted was their best album.

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

how many people (here or in general) who now claim it's the best Pavement album actually thought that when it was released?

Next question: when did the WOWEE ZOWEE critical revisionism take place?

Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link

um i seem to recall it being extremely popular from the get-go with pretty great reviews. has their been a revisionist take stating 'no, actually it's their worst' or 'no, actually it's the record pavement fans agree on least?'

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link

"how many people (here or in general) who now claim it's the best Pavement album actually thought that when it was released?"

*raises hand*

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

As I recall, when WOWEE ZOWEE came out it was widely considered a disappoinment after CRCR and S&E.

Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, and I actually do remember WZ-is-the-worst being the CW whenever I talked to fellow Pavement fans in the late 90s.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

the only bad thing I can recall about it was that SPIN kinda dissed it, I think...?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think the RS review was very kind either (not that I was paying attention at the time)

FAN DEATH (teenagequiet), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Pukement shouldn't've made albums. They weren't good enough. They should've made eepees.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

hmmm - cr, cr is the karaoke motherlode for obv reasons, s+e was the houseparty dj wants to pander/own indie crowd touchstone once upon a time though not anymore really :(, but wowee zowee was definitely the college radio and (more importantly) restaurant kitchen fave by far down here at least and also the one exception 'everything post-gary young was awful' types would always grant. rolling stone trashed it, said they'd gone back to their pre-cr, cr sound which sucked, spin raved, said it was their big star 3rd/sister lovers.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

My joint fave Pavement album(With Slanted). can't wait for this reissue.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I think there's one thing everyone can agree about with WZ - it has Spiral Stairs' best songs on it.

Although if you consider CRCR flawed because of "Hit the plane down", how can you excuse "Best Friend's Arm"? I guess I found it mildly amusing when I was 20 or so but it must be one of Malkmus's worst Pavement songs...

I guess I thought WZ was the best Pavement album when it came out and now barely listen to it.

What constitutes a restaurant kitchen fave?

Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I seem to recall a fairly heavy collective disappointment with WZ. I've still never given the album a fair shake to this day.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link

weird. i'm sensing a poseur divide over this album.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I like "Best Friend's Arm"!

gooblar (gooblar), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

If by 'poseur divide', you mean that WZ alienated a lot of the people who jumped on the Pavement wagon when they were *cool* circa "Cut Your Hair", I'd say you are correct. It definitely did that. I'm sure it sold less than CRCR and even S & E at the time. I think that's why I loved it when it came out. But then again I worried too much about what other people were listening to back then. Thankfully, I don't give a shit about such things anymore.

Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Spin gave it a 7, not quite a "rave" really

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

or maybe I'm thinking of the album guide and not the mag; I do remember the review having a lot of qualifications. (actually, maybe it was a 6. I don't have the issue, so I can't double-check.)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:32 (seventeen years ago) link

they did compare it to big star 3rd though right? i seem to recall a (aaron penned possibly) 'rattled by the rush'=ingrid bergman analogy somewhere along the line, though that may have been circa btc.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

S&E and CRCR was a dynamic one-two punch (and following up on those early singles and eps - I had only heard Demolition J-Plot and Perfect Sound Forever prior to the Westing comp).

WZ didn't come close! There was the novelty aspect, and it felt thrown together. It totally lacked the cohesiveness that made S&E and CRCR stand out

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link

who in god's name listened to pavement for cohesiveness?????

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I did. S&E is very cohesive. CRCR less so, but still an incredibly strong album.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

It was their last good album.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

That's incredibly likely. I bought all of their albums, but only out of some form of respect. Nothing after CRCR did much for me.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Crazy talk. They went downhill after WZ, but were still very great of course. In terms of album composition and cohesiveness they probably just got better.

strom (strom), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

its always been my fav - ive owned it on tape, and currently have the original cd and the reissued 3-side lp. the reissue could be fab - its the apex of their weirdness whilst being the cusp of their poppiest moment (i love the 1-2-3 punch of brighten the corners) - i never understood why it wasn't universally hailed as their best - s&e is far too dry for my tastes (though still being a cracker of an album). i've always stood by that WZ was my fav with S&E, CRCR and BTC being tied for 2nd... terror twilight was the only dissapointing moment in their career for me, they quit at the right time.

chris andrews (fraew), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Wowee Zowee was a hit with the fans, but was panned by the critics... so jblount otm re: "poseur divide"... well, sorta.

I've grown to nod to the songs on WZ that I used to always skip over... I wished they replaced those songs with the singles B-sides instead still, that's all.

Terror Twilight is still my favorite Pavement album... despite it being "the first Steve Malkmus solo record" not unlike the analogy to Trompe Le Monde.. (in that I didn't care for the actual solo records that followed at all.)...

Brighten The Corners, aside from "Stereo", still evades my attention.

San Diva Gyna (and a Masala DOsaNUT on the side) (donut), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

It's all a matter of taste, isn't it? Throwing around terms like "poseur divide" doesn't account for that.

I preferred them when they were borrowing more from british post-punk/Sonic Youth (Westing & S&E), and was more than happy to join them in the classic rockisms that crept into their sound on CRCR.

After that, they lost (or so it seems to me) the more obscure, jagged elements and became more of an indie pop band. More jangle, more structure to the songs.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:00 (seventeen years ago) link

or maybe I'm thinking of the album guide and not the mag; I do remember the review having a lot of qualifications. (actually, maybe it was a 6. I don't have the issue, so I can't double-check.)

I'm pretty sure Eric Weisbard awarded it a "6"; it was the first serious blow to Pavement's popularity, and as such I didn't buy it unitl 1998 despite loving "Rattled by the Rush" (still my favorite Pavement song).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Xgau was one of the few major critics to recognize its worth:

Despite their disavowals of "progress," this proceeds as you'd figure--toward lyricism rather than commerciality or some such chimera. It's seldom hard or fast or chaotic, and if it was their sacred mission to humanize guitar noise, they've betrayed it like the reprobates they no doubt are. But if their vocation is beguiling song-music that doesn't sound like anything else or create its own rut, this reinforces one's gut feeling that they can do it forever. They can't, of course--nobody can. But the illusion of eternity has been music's sacred mission for a good long time Grade: A

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link

wow...that's classic Xgau OTMness, an example of why people take him seriously

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link

For my part, WZ and Brighten the Corners are my two favorite Pavement albums.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

"classic Xgau OTMness"

Except weren't they already kind of in a rut?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

You couldn't tell from listening to the great songs on WZ. The less spectacular stuff seems more an instance of an infusion of cash: they could afford to include songs they would have buried in an EP.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Or wouldn't have bothered to write?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I've read this whole "Wowee Zowee Was Panned By The Critics" topic before (possibly on ILM) and after some great googling and magazine consultation, it was decided that the album was pretty much rated above-average by almost all accounts.

Perhaps someone else also remembers this and could link to that topic.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link

personally I think some of their best stuff is on the last album - but I'm with you Alfred, I think Brighten the Corners is underrated (tho I think the reason ppl hate it is that the filler is so audibly filler that it's a little offensive)

xpost yeah Steve googling is surely an infallible research method and is totally representative of the zeitgeist/buzz!

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link

love yr use of the passive voice there btw

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, the googling was directed at the critics who wrote about the album at its time of release.

But yes thank you for your insight, suggestions and multiple replies.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:37 (seventeen years ago) link

no sweat Steve

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 6 July 2006 00:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Surely Beavis and Butthead savaging "Rattled by the Rush" was the harshest blow.

Chris L (Chris L), Thursday, 6 July 2006 00:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Chris L OTM, but wasn't that "Cut Your Hair"?

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 6 July 2006 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link

1. Brighten the Corners
2. Crooked Rain..
3. Wowee Zowee
4. Slanted and Enchanted
5. Terror Twilight

also

1. Terror Twilight
2. Most other music

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 6 July 2006 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure it was Rattled by the Rush on B&B (the bathtub version IIRC), but they might have done both. The only bit I remember was something like, "These guys, like, aren't even trying huh huh huh" or something.

Marmot 4-Tay: forth-coming, my child. forth-coming most righteous champion (mar, Thursday, 6 July 2006 00:36 (seventeen years ago) link

this album sounds great

there's a lot of hardpanning going on with a lot of the instruments, interesting

m@tt (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:35 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, i think this is their best-produced record, even though it has the reputation of being the weirdest/most difficult. nice guitar tones, lots of layers.

tylerw, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 18:17 (fourteen years ago) link

This is the Sordid Sentinels edition? The booklet was fucking great, makes buying albums worth it.

kelpolaris, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 19:39 (fourteen years ago) link

I've never compared the Sordid Sentinels version with the original issue, but either way you slice it, this is hands down my favorite Pavement record. I've heard several people express how much they like it on shuffle, but for me it's perfectly sequenced, just a great ride all the way through.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 19:49 (fourteen years ago) link

i just bought the regular vinyl version available on the matador site, was only $12 for a double LP, looks about 120 gram vinyl, and all of matador's vinyl is pressed at RTI iirc, so it's dope official on wax

m@tt (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link

This is cute:

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwurhvtxMK1qz87jlo1_400.jpg

dlp9001, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link

really only $12?! huh kinda want it now.

I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link

is Wowee Zowee on vinyl still 3 sides? The original release had etchings on the fourth side ...

tylerw, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link

I have what I thought was an original release (it's not the recent reissue anyway)...it's blank on side 4, no etching.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

eh, maybe i'm thinking of something else ... i don't have it on vinyl, a friend did ...

tylerw, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link

tylerw, now you've got me confused. i know psychic hearts (released the same year?) had etchings on the fourth side, but now i wonder if wz had the drawing from the inside of the gatefold etched on the fourth side. of course i'm at work so i can't verify the latter.

Trollmatic Reflexions (ojo), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 00:36 (fourteen years ago) link

maybe i'm thinking of psychic hearts? i'm confused too.

tylerw, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 00:48 (fourteen years ago) link

both had side 4 etchings.

✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 05:57 (fourteen years ago) link

thread title keeps beckoning

dipster purpies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 06:47 (fourteen years ago) link

i never realised it had three sides! the flow of it kind of makes more sense to me now

thomp, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 12:35 (fourteen years ago) link

lol mp3 generation

thomp, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 12:35 (fourteen years ago) link

My copy side 4 has no etchings, it's just blank.

Mark, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 12:58 (fourteen years ago) link

(purchased around 1998)

Mark, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 12:59 (fourteen years ago) link

i bought mine the day it came out - no etching

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 14:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Maybe only certain copies had the Steve Keane etching?

✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:29 (fourteen years ago) link

and says a bunch of Malkmus slogans.

✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:30 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah my copy does not have an etching, bought it when it came out

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:30 (fourteen years ago) link

mysteeeeeerious

tylerw, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:31 (fourteen years ago) link

My copy had an etching when I bought it, but now the etching has vanished!

dlp9001, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link

http://frooliemew.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/cast.jpg

tylerw, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link

lol no etching on mine either

bug holocaust (sleeve), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link

it's possible i was high as a teenager listening to this and etched something on it myself.

tylerw, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link

hahaha, i need to find my copy. pretty sure about this dudes!

✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

OK thanks to ILM I am going to listen to this RIGHT NOW for the first time in years

bug holocaust (sleeve), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link

You will NOT be disappointed.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link

it's a great record! i remember when it came out, my family was going to cooperstown to visit the baseball hall of fame. i made my dad stop at a random mall where there was a record store -- The WALL, I think? -- and I bought it there. So I kinda associate it with Willie Mays and Lou Gehrig and so forth. Memories.

tylerw, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

I've definitely seen the etching and remembered it being a Steve Keane thing as well. But I don't own one. It might have been my college radio station's vinyl copy. Maybe it was only on promos?

dmr, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link

it's weird that I can't google up anything about this existing

dmr, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link

the one i just received from matador has a blank fourth side, no etchings of any kind

but this is obv a repress, has the new Low Price sticker that says free download on it

fischer-price my first chukkas (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 23:07 (fourteen years ago) link

favorite pavement album no contest--and one of the great stoner records

iago g., Thursday, 15 April 2010 00:41 (fourteen years ago) link

one of the great stoner records

YESSS... I think one reason is that the production is so varied. That huge tube sound on Half a Canyon---so cool.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 15 April 2010 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link


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