― Baaderonixx: the lost ILX years (baaderonixx), Monday, 28 August 2006 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 28 August 2006 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=5534976&style=music&cart=385173247&BAB=E
(That is the wrong CD cover image, right?)
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 28 August 2006 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 28 August 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 28 August 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 28 August 2006 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link
Actually, speaking of Lillix I am very confused about their album release so perhaps one of you Americans can clear this up. On Amazon it says Inside The Hollow was released in July but there's not even a tracklisting and it says it'll take 3 to 6 weeks to arrive, suggesting it is not actually released at all. Was the album originally meant for that date but put back? If so it seems strange that Amazon hasn't acknowledged this. I really want to hear the album but the cheapest I can find it to order to the UK is £16.99 and no sign of it yet on CD Wow.
― Jessica P (Jessica P), Monday, 28 August 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link
Jessica, how does Hilary do it wrong? She's anonymous, but I don't think she's "wimpy," really, just...unobtrusive? Still distinct, but she gives herself over to just about any style you can throw at her. I agree that, er, poptastic-wise (as I think you're defining it), Lindsay is uneven (first less so than second album, but the more I listen to the second album, the more I like it. At least as recently as a few months ago, haven't listened since then except to "I Live for the Day").
― nameom (nameom), Monday, 28 August 2006 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link
Then there is lyrical irony as well. Like in "Stars are Blind" where she's simultaneously discussing and subverting a sort of pure love. "But you can see the real me inside" aafter "Some people never get beyond their stupid pride," implies this revelation of the true Paris. You're going to see Paris, beyond your prideful condemnations of her. But she immediately follows with "And I'm satisfied, oh no, ohh." So she's just gotten through telling us that we'll see beyond this oversexed image that we're used to, and follows immediately by changing the meaning of "see the real me inside," into a sexual phrase.
Plus, the title of the song: On one hand "Stars Are Blind" in context refers to the fates. The fates are blind, love is blind, Paris Hilton can fall in love with anyone because she's such a deep person. "Got a haert and soul and body," etc. But it also means that stars, like Paris Hilton, are literally blind. The subtext of the song is that she's literally seducing this good boy. "I'm perfect for you," reminds me of the scene in Evita where Evita keeps reassuring Peron that "I'll be good for you." So I hear this other story going on where the sexualized Hilton keeps undermining the potential good girl who wants a good guy. That she's literally blind to this condition makes it the complete opposite of the original meaning of "Stars are Blind." It isn't love that's blind, it's Paris Hilton that's blind.
― Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 00:22 (seventeen years ago) link
I heard this a month ago and was really, really pleasantly surprised by it. Why didn't I venture into this thread before? I tend to avoid Rolling threads in general it seems. Don't know why. The size overwhelms me methinks.
― Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 01:32 (seventeen years ago) link
Mordy, that's a great post. I guess I need to pay more attention to the words, rather than just sitting back and hope they come to me some day.
Thing is (as I've been saying), I actually love the sound Paris and crew got out of her voice. It's like husky butter, whereas I bet unaccompanied and single-tracked it's just a husk.
And maybe I'm coming to think that that voice is a personality, after all.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 03:44 (seventeen years ago) link
Hola
We've been getting many messages asking about our US release date recently, so I thought I'd take this chance to give you all an update. So far NO US RELEASE DATE has been scheduled, but we can tell you it will be sometime early next year. Fingers crossed, if all goes well! Our label Maverick is no longer in existance, and we are now only on Warner. This has caused a bit of a setback as far as the US goes, but don't worry, we still plan on releasing Inside the Hollow and touring "south of the border" :)
For all of our glorious wonderful fanships living outside Canada or Japan, you can order Inside the Hollow online from www.lillix.net or www.maplemusic.com.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 04:09 (seventeen years ago) link
(Ad on MySpace.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 04:20 (seventeen years ago) link
Which in a way, is the perfect Paris vocal--100% processed and in every way an assemblage of parts recpnfigured by code.
If the context were more what passes for post modern, if there were a knowing smile somewhere, or, well, anything, it could be sickly brilliant.
But as is, it's the perfect audio for Maxim readers--the only imaginable audience. And even they might be put off by the plastic.
This sounds like I don't like Hilton--it's not that. I do find 'her' faintly scary, like some strange devolution, or the result of some mad labs' persona stripping experiments.
― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 06:11 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 06:54 (seventeen years ago) link
Obviously, Lee has a swell voice--so if even she gets that frequency-beating effect--like most folks--no, all folks--do, then Hilton's must be corrected for that silky rayon sound.
And the punch-ins--well, the songs' melodies are very punch-in-friendly, and while I'm guessing, I can't imagine Hilton would be able to do entire takes--and really, why bother trying. That's not a dis on her; it's just a way of making stuff.
― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 07:08 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 07:30 (seventeen years ago) link
According to Perez Hilton and Jessica P and Myspace, fan_3 is in a new band. They didn't write the track of the year. Shut Up Stella...listening to "Country Lemonade" now, kind of a nice silly c. 2000 teenpop throwback like Daphne and Celeste with...I dunno, B*Witched maybe in the chorus + some funny fan_3 verses ("I'm gonna get so Big and Rich -- shit -- and get high with the Dixie Chicks") OK, maybe this is the best thing ever.
"What sets the group apart from the status quo is their wide range of musical influences. The combination of Fan_3s hip hop background, Kristens SoCal punk rock and Jessies singer-songwriter world gives their music a refreshingly unique and surprisingly catchy edge, as if someone laced an Eve and Green Day sandwich with a healthy dose of Spice."
A very healthy dose of Spice, if by Spice they mean the first wave of post-Spice teenpop.
― nameom (nameom), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm not sure exactly what my problem is with Hilary because she seems in theory to be a great pop star but there's just this sense of trying too hard which I find kind of embarrassing. Like many US pop acts, she has good intentions with her pop-rock and electro-pop singles, but somewhere along the line something is going wrong because she's doing the kind of music I love and I am just not interested at all. I've nothing against Hilary herself, although she could do with being a bit more 'rough around the edges', but I just don't connect to her music at all. Some of her songs I don't mind listening to eg. Come Clean and Beat of My Heart, but I've never made any particular effort to listen to them. It could just be my personal taste doesn't match with her musical output, but it seems strange when I usually love electro-pop and rock-pop and I wouldn't consider myself particularly fussy. I just think for such a big star she really is not making as good music as she has the power to do. Her greatest hits was a US no.1 so it can't be difficult to get good producers on board, but for some reason she's never made a song that I've downloaded and played more than once immediately. I don't know if it's just me or if I'm right and she really isn't as good as she should be.
― Jessica P (Jessica P), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link
PHONECALLS ARE GREAThere are some highlights from the one I just had with Sir Mimster.
G: I hate you.B: I can't stand you.G: No, I can't stand YOU.B: Well, I'm sitting down.
or also.
B: Dude, there was 18,000 people there.G: Shit.B: I KNOW. I did a show once for 6,000 people and it was too much for me to handle.G: Thats like, more than double.B: Well, its closer to "less than triple"G: Yeah.B: Yeah.G: Hey, ISN'T it triple?B: No.G: 6,000 times 3 is....B: 18,000.G: Right.B: Oh uuuuhhhhh. Shut up.
In other news. I like:1.) the sound of pennies falling.2.) my armpit smells like dogfood.3.) "pool's gone."4.) friend request from The Morning Benders.5.) the beast.6.) diva eating dunkaroos.7.) distance has no way of making love, understandable.8.) blue.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link
[I didn't get a chance to read the piece, however. The headline was in a sidebox on the cover of I forget which tab, so one can predict that the article is approximately a paragraph and doesn't tell us a whole lot about Ashlee. Oh, and Us Weekly believes that Jessica has a new boyfriend.]
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 11:26 (seventeen years ago) link
Singer John Mayer, who's currently on tour with Sheryl Crow. There's some tab headline about how "a friend says he makes her heart flutter" or something like that.
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 11:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.tommy2.net/2006newsgraphics/alilohanearly.jpg
― nameom (nameom), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link
Still haven't heard any Platinum Weird outside Myspace.
― nameom (nameom), Thursday, 7 September 2006 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link
I've never heard any of Jewel's last two albums, so yeah, it was a pleasant surprise. Everybody was saying the last one was a "return to form" etc., I didn't know it was produced by Rob Carvello (sp?). It's interesting to hear other people's take on the Max/Matrix sound.
It's all making me think about the confessional element that Frank pegs to teenpop vs. the way other genres do it--in everything from hip-hop to indie to country it seems like the impulse is to "take things down for a second" whereas teenpop has somehow managed to round out punk's angsty sneer into a shout from the belly by crossing it with all that low-key stuff. Pandora's nice for trying to figure things out technically.
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 7 September 2006 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link
(Headline turns out to be fraudulent, however. There's nothing about her hair.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 9 September 2006 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link
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― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 9 September 2006 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link
And I'm now way off-topic, but here's a clip from a recent live show by Debbie Deb, who's darker, fatter, and happier than when I saw her 19 years ago.* Poor recording, not auto-tuned, but wonderful anyway. (*Someone once told me that the Debbie Deb who did "I'm Searchin'" wasn't the same Debbie Deb who'd done "When I Hear Music," in which case the person I saw - who definitely was the "I'm Searchin'" Deb, same timbre - was an impersonator trying to cash in on the name. I doubt this, but it would somehow prove something amazing if it were true, since I rank it as one of the Top 5 live performances of my life.) Here's a continuation of the clip from the Anaheim show, in which she's singing my favorite song EVER. They pipe in a sample at the start that someone on the comment thread identifies as from "Planet Rock," which demonstrates the connection between Bambaataa/Baker/Robie and freestyle (not to mention Miami bass, bounce, crunk, snap...). The deep beat on "When I Hear Music" is a slight variation on the deep beat from "Planet Rock." But you can hear something revving up in "When I Hear Music" - even though it's a very spare arrangement - the riffs and beats heading for delirium and the sweetness of the vocals (and desperation of the vocals in the New York equivalents) having its own potential delirium.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 9 September 2006 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link
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― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 10 September 2006 06:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 11 September 2006 04:55 (seventeen years ago) link
(two thots:1) i have never had anyone tell me jessica was fuckable2) she has stopped becoming interesting)
also apparently she fired her pr guy overthe john mayer rumours, and also john mayer is a beatty in the 70s sized pussy hound.
― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 11 September 2006 06:02 (seventeen years ago) link