Say Something Nice or Interesting about: Smash Mouth (or possibly Sugar Ray)

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Best pop-rock album of the millenium so far.

haha and i thought you were gonna get defensive abt my "hyperbolic" comment !!

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

it's only been four years. I'm assuming it will be topped. Lots of rock albums have. And there are better singles out there, it's just consistency that makes me give it the nod.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

i like one song by both (not coincidentally the hits that made their career)(as opposed to the followup hits where they coasted) but neither of these guys are fit to whiff the sphinctors < / ainyc> of no doubt.

haha - "too"

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't think either band tries as hard as no doubt (that is NOT a slag on no doubt)

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll take Sugar Ray's self-titled album over any of XTC's.

You would.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Gwen and Mark both just say "I need you" a lot except Mark gets dumped and Gwen dumps.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

both because mark is fucking around

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

come again?

They're on this disc I burned that had that Roll Deep Crew album which I also snagged from you (which is v. v. good). Late seventies punk or pop or something.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't think no doubt made the 90s poll nominations! in thinking abt my ballot, there's tons and tons of great stuff that was left out and a lot of mediocrities included. :-(

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I take Sugar Ray over No Doubt because they're a little less twerpy and, ironically, Gwen postures more.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm kinda surprised at some stuff that was left off, and weirdly relieved too cuz it helped prevent my ballot from being too indie (i'd already determined i was gonna vote for 'wowee zowee' by pavement and no sebadoh or gbv for redundancy's sake so when 'wowee zowee' didn't turn up it cleared some space.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Gwen and Mark both just say "I need you" a lot except Mark gets dumped and Gwen dumps.

really? i think of gwen as a dumpee at heart.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

dudes fuck around on her but they always come back. she's the one that finally has to tell them no (and then roll around in bed wondering if she was too hasty and could have fixed them)

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

both - she's a fully faceted human being

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

both - she's a fully faceted human being

do you mind if i imagine you saying this in ghostface voice?

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

b-b-b-but humans are not fully faceted beings!

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll take Sugar Ray's self-titled album over any of XTC's.

"Waiter, as lovely as your Filet Mignon special tonight sounds, could I just please have an order of year-old, room-temperature Spam? And can I have it in a dog dish please?"

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

forgot "Don't Speak," yeah she gets dumped.

though there's are plenty of human beings who are Mark-like sadsacks (if Mark didn't look like Mark or make money like Mark he would be on ILX).

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Starting half the "cheer me up" threads.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

These things you say are all too much for my hea-eh-ed
I'd rather watch tv or hear a good record instea-eh-eh

― minolta (minolta), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually just figured out what frustrated, name-all-the-band-members, defensive poster Mark McGrath would resemble if you removed all pretty-boy superstar shit, but he doesn't post anymore so it wouldn't be right to name-drop.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

momus?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

is there video online of this mark mcgrath public breakdown

― big chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link

let's just say that if Ethan typed "Sugar Gay" Mark would start a thread about it, spazz, say he's done with ILX and then show up in a week pointing out how defensive other people are.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

so it is momus

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

yup (though if Mark broke the cycle I'd commend him, as I would anybody who did)

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link

man last time i saw mark mcgrath his hairline was receding in some superfast 'holy moly i thought shit like that only happened in the craft' way; when the end comes it don't come easy (cf. nicole eggert)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I wish Mark could settle for being hella-rich, cuz its far too late for him to do what Partridge did. It's not going to be pretty.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

The rest of 'em will be fine with studio gigs and production jobs though (they all can write - drummer Stan "The Man" Frazier is working with Ashlee Simpson). Mark's gonna bear the "Where Are They Now" brunt with Mike Reno-like dignity I figure.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

if he manages jani lane dignity i'll be surprised

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Depends on whether or not he takes up a job at Taco Mesa in the kitchen.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link

You know what song I like? "When It's Over." Oh, and that other one about the four-post bed or something.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

my fave is probably "Someday." Sentimental favorite, but I voted it for best single of the '90s on the poll nonetheless.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:50 (nineteen years ago) link

"Fly" still reigns supreme.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

If Sugar Ray have a song that "reigns supreme" it's either "When It's Over" or easily something off of their pre-fame debut, Lemonade & Brownies.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 23:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember vaguely their first single off Lemonade and Brownies being played on 120 minutes. I thought it sucked. This thread reminded me that I wanted to download all their singles. They are so good. They are so laid-back that I remember them all as ballads, even though none of them really are.

― Magic City (ano ano), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I think No Doubt just beat them as the best pop band of the 90s, due to their greater variety.

― Magic City (ano ano), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 02:28 (nineteen years ago) link

anthony, you are a very very odd fellow.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 03:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Sugar Ray were in that crappy movie Ftaher's Day, and Smashmouth were in that crappy movie Rat Race.

i can't say i've ever really liked a song by either.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 07:58 (nineteen years ago) link

What's with all the bad taste in here? It's like walking into Dangerfield.

― Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 09:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Read the thread title.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 11:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Can we get back on topic talking about how cool Sugar Ray are?
Their lead singer looks like the kinda guy who should slither out from under a car wearing a greasy overall and say "Welllllp, that transmission ain't priddy, but it'll run."

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I like Sugar Ray ('s singles).

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...

An appropriate fate for both bands.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 November 2007 16:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Cocks are the human reproductive organ XTC.

wow, just read most of this thread - gotta be one of the funniest instances of an ILM thread being derailed, with the whole Smash Mouth = XTC argument going back and forth btw. Anthony and Alex for-fucking-ever. high point was the above comment, which had me actual LOLing for about 5 minutes. hilarious!

― stephen, Friday, 2 November 2007 17:41 (sixteen years ago) link

I love this thread so much.

― HI DERE, Friday, 2 November 2007 18:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Best pop-rock album of the millenium so far.

A+ trolling

― gershy, Saturday, 3 November 2007 02:39 (sixteen years ago) link

The aforementioned Perrey & Kingsley song, by the way, is "Swan's Splashdown." Good taste by Smashmouth.

― Jake Brown, Saturday, 3 November 2007 04:37 (sixteen years ago) link

That was not trolling. It was wrong but it was his honest opinion. Is Anthony gone now?

― filthy dylan, Saturday, 3 November 2007 04:38 (sixteen years ago) link

oh, i was just joking.
he posts under the name da croupier (check the recent sasha frere jones thread for classic anthony)

― gershy, Saturday, 3 November 2007 04:47 (sixteen years ago) link

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