― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Saturday, 26 August 2006 04:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 26 August 2006 04:44 (seventeen years ago) link
don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past twenty years, really," the 65-year-old rocker said in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine.
But doesn't Bob give a shoutout to Alicia Keyes somewhere on his new album? (which I haven't heard; I think I read that somehwere though.)
― xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 26 August 2006 04:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Saturday, 26 August 2006 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyway (and hopefully I won't get a weirdassed error message like the last four times I tried to say this), are people kind of saying Paris is the new Samantha Fox, only maybe less voluptuous? Because Samantha definitely made some excellent music, back in her day.
― xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 26 August 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link
Paris is a mirror, because you have "projected or recognized or gained validation of some aspect of yourself," it's just against a negative or distorted reflection. (Maybe it makes sense that listening to her vocals on the album is like walking through a hall of funhouse mirrors)
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― nameom (nameom), Saturday, 26 August 2006 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Saturday, 26 August 2006 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 26 August 2006 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link
("Tap That" doesn't seem to be getting any Top 40 airplay yet.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 26 August 2006 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― KWIKLYX (pete38), Saturday, 26 August 2006 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link
Level one: Lindsay, Kelly, Liliy, et al, in their way of sunging and in their still images get across a certain sense of drama--not sad-drama, just of some sense of human material.
Then there's the tabloid bio stuff, which is hard to escape on some level.
Then there's the appealing vacuum presented bu assorted Euro-pop people--an emptiness that's intended, iconic or in some other way, essential to the idea.
Then there's Paris. I can imagine a very smart person--and a very meta incarnation of Hilton--utilizing the strange nothing she projects as a very lovely, disturbing thing.
But as she's using the usual route--with the attendant pleasures of good craftmanship--that zero-ness...well, it certainly doesn't add anything. And again, any awareness of her exploits--probably too scolding a word--adds a quesiness (for me at least.)
Still, I've written a few parapgraphs about thiss brand of nothjing so there must be something there.
― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Saturday, 26 August 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link
I may yet hear a strong "Paris" personality in her music; too soon to tell. And I certainly don't think there'd be anything wrong in my letting what I know of her life contribute to what I feel when I hear the music. My guess is that no one on this thread or the Paris thread really has followed Paris that closely (the Sextape Paris, the Tabloid Paris, the Reality Show Paris, or the real-life Paris).
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 26 August 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link
I hear a similiar thing when I listen to the album. Even when it seems like the music is subverting my assumptions about Hilton, I wonder who has written the script. That, in of itself, wouldn't determine whether I like the album. I dislike it - but because of the sounds coming from my speakers. Nonetheless, the persona is inseperable from the album - and I feel manipulated, which is disasterious if Hilton is trying to liberate herself from this carefully plotted career.
― Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Sunday, 27 August 2006 01:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Sunday, 27 August 2006 02:25 (seventeen years ago) link
Along the same lines, is it unthinkable that Hilton wouldn't read Pynchon on her own, or even suggest it to the writers, regardless of whether or not someone else actually wrote that into the script?
Also, Eppy, why is Paris iconic, and why is her status uniquely American? (I'm part genuinely curious because I've only been obsessed with Paris for a half a week, and part skeptical -- to me she seems like a relatively savvy tabloid icon, which may be a little different but no less pervasive than tabloid icons in the UK.)
― nameom (nameom), Sunday, 27 August 2006 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― nameom (nameom), Sunday, 27 August 2006 15:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 27 August 2006 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 27 August 2006 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 27 August 2006 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link
(I will never be chosen to interview Ashlee, I guess. I'd have asked about the nosejob too. You have to. She's the one who, in Marie Claire, was profiled as working with kids on a project to demonstrate "That beauty comes in all shapes and sizes" and discussing eating disorders. And there she was on the cover with her innocuous, anonymous new nose. The dissonance screams at you. And she's the one who in "Shadow" said that the precondition for her finally being able to love her sister and parents was her realizing that it was "safe outside to come alive in [her own] identity." Not that she might not have good reasons for the nosejob, but she ought to say what they are. She's made the issue relevant. Not to mention that it's relevant to a celebrity anyway. Also, she'd probably have smart and interesting ideas on the subject. In Marie Claire she'd talked of various beauty trade-offs: as a teen, Jessica would use pliers to get into her jeans, while Ashless always wore stretch pants. If Ashlee wants to play volleyball, she can just put on a bra and go, whereas Jessica needs a fortified bra.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 27 August 2006 23:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 28 August 2006 03:38 (seventeen years ago) link
Actually, now I'm wondering about a different question. What exactly makes Paris Hilton teenpop music? Because I think the question of who is listening to the album cuts to the essence of how the album is currently occuring. I know neither my sister, nor any of the other teenage girls who give me playlists, are listening to Paris Hilton. And Paris-haters, in my experience, are generally ignoring the album. After a sex video, an album is pretty inconsequencial, I'd guess.
Maybe we're just talking about the album here because it's a convenient place to discuss it, but I feel like it has less and less relevence to teenpop music every time I spin it. The teenpop I've been listening to has been emotionally ecstatic (which Hilton is decidedly not), clean-cut or a subversion of being clean-cut (while Hilton is unapologetically sexualized), and mostly lacking in irony with some exceptions (while Hilton sounds very ironic to my ears - not listening to Hilton, but the singing itself).
― Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Monday, 28 August 2006 04:39 (seventeen years ago) link
Not all teenpop is trying for ecstasy ("Because of You"* and "Shadow" and "Confessions of a Broken Heart," for instance), and of the stuff that does, the ecstasy is often pretty tepid, and the listeners seem fine with that. But I do know what you mean by Paris's sound not fitting. I'm not hearing any "irony," though. In what way is she drawing a deliberate contrast between an apparent and an actual meaning? Is "irony" the word you're looking for here? She may have plenty of meanings in addition to the most obvious ones, but nearly all music does that. (But I'm not yet paying that much attention to the words, so I could just be missing this.)
*Kelly is everything pop rather than teenpop per se, but she's super huge in the teenpop world, and "Because of You"
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 28 August 2006 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 28 August 2006 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Baaderonixx: the lost ILX years (baaderonixx), Monday, 28 August 2006 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 28 August 2006 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=5534976&style=music&cart=385173247&BAB=E
(That is the wrong CD cover image, right?)
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 28 August 2006 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 28 August 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 28 August 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 28 August 2006 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link
Actually, speaking of Lillix I am very confused about their album release so perhaps one of you Americans can clear this up. On Amazon it says Inside The Hollow was released in July but there's not even a tracklisting and it says it'll take 3 to 6 weeks to arrive, suggesting it is not actually released at all. Was the album originally meant for that date but put back? If so it seems strange that Amazon hasn't acknowledged this. I really want to hear the album but the cheapest I can find it to order to the UK is £16.99 and no sign of it yet on CD Wow.
― Jessica P (Jessica P), Monday, 28 August 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link
Jessica, how does Hilary do it wrong? She's anonymous, but I don't think she's "wimpy," really, just...unobtrusive? Still distinct, but she gives herself over to just about any style you can throw at her. I agree that, er, poptastic-wise (as I think you're defining it), Lindsay is uneven (first less so than second album, but the more I listen to the second album, the more I like it. At least as recently as a few months ago, haven't listened since then except to "I Live for the Day").
― nameom (nameom), Monday, 28 August 2006 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link
Then there is lyrical irony as well. Like in "Stars are Blind" where she's simultaneously discussing and subverting a sort of pure love. "But you can see the real me inside" aafter "Some people never get beyond their stupid pride," implies this revelation of the true Paris. You're going to see Paris, beyond your prideful condemnations of her. But she immediately follows with "And I'm satisfied, oh no, ohh." So she's just gotten through telling us that we'll see beyond this oversexed image that we're used to, and follows immediately by changing the meaning of "see the real me inside," into a sexual phrase.
Plus, the title of the song: On one hand "Stars Are Blind" in context refers to the fates. The fates are blind, love is blind, Paris Hilton can fall in love with anyone because she's such a deep person. "Got a haert and soul and body," etc. But it also means that stars, like Paris Hilton, are literally blind. The subtext of the song is that she's literally seducing this good boy. "I'm perfect for you," reminds me of the scene in Evita where Evita keeps reassuring Peron that "I'll be good for you." So I hear this other story going on where the sexualized Hilton keeps undermining the potential good girl who wants a good guy. That she's literally blind to this condition makes it the complete opposite of the original meaning of "Stars are Blind." It isn't love that's blind, it's Paris Hilton that's blind.
― Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 00:22 (seventeen years ago) link
I heard this a month ago and was really, really pleasantly surprised by it. Why didn't I venture into this thread before? I tend to avoid Rolling threads in general it seems. Don't know why. The size overwhelms me methinks.
― Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 01:32 (seventeen years ago) link
Mordy, that's a great post. I guess I need to pay more attention to the words, rather than just sitting back and hope they come to me some day.
Thing is (as I've been saying), I actually love the sound Paris and crew got out of her voice. It's like husky butter, whereas I bet unaccompanied and single-tracked it's just a husk.
And maybe I'm coming to think that that voice is a personality, after all.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 03:44 (seventeen years ago) link
Hola
We've been getting many messages asking about our US release date recently, so I thought I'd take this chance to give you all an update. So far NO US RELEASE DATE has been scheduled, but we can tell you it will be sometime early next year. Fingers crossed, if all goes well! Our label Maverick is no longer in existance, and we are now only on Warner. This has caused a bit of a setback as far as the US goes, but don't worry, we still plan on releasing Inside the Hollow and touring "south of the border" :)
For all of our glorious wonderful fanships living outside Canada or Japan, you can order Inside the Hollow online from www.lillix.net or www.maplemusic.com.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 04:09 (seventeen years ago) link
(Ad on MySpace.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 04:20 (seventeen years ago) link
Which in a way, is the perfect Paris vocal--100% processed and in every way an assemblage of parts recpnfigured by code.
If the context were more what passes for post modern, if there were a knowing smile somewhere, or, well, anything, it could be sickly brilliant.
But as is, it's the perfect audio for Maxim readers--the only imaginable audience. And even they might be put off by the plastic.
This sounds like I don't like Hilton--it's not that. I do find 'her' faintly scary, like some strange devolution, or the result of some mad labs' persona stripping experiments.
― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 06:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 06:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 06:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 06:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 06:54 (seventeen years ago) link
Obviously, Lee has a swell voice--so if even she gets that frequency-beating effect--like most folks--no, all folks--do, then Hilton's must be corrected for that silky rayon sound.
And the punch-ins--well, the songs' melodies are very punch-in-friendly, and while I'm guessing, I can't imagine Hilton would be able to do entire takes--and really, why bother trying. That's not a dis on her; it's just a way of making stuff.
― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 07:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 07:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 07:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 07:30 (seventeen years ago) link
According to Perez Hilton and Jessica P and Myspace, fan_3 is in a new band. They didn't write the track of the year. Shut Up Stella...listening to "Country Lemonade" now, kind of a nice silly c. 2000 teenpop throwback like Daphne and Celeste with...I dunno, B*Witched maybe in the chorus + some funny fan_3 verses ("I'm gonna get so Big and Rich -- shit -- and get high with the Dixie Chicks") OK, maybe this is the best thing ever.
"What sets the group apart from the status quo is their wide range of musical influences. The combination of Fan_3s hip hop background, Kristens SoCal punk rock and Jessies singer-songwriter world gives their music a refreshingly unique and surprisingly catchy edge, as if someone laced an Eve and Green Day sandwich with a healthy dose of Spice."
A very healthy dose of Spice, if by Spice they mean the first wave of post-Spice teenpop.
― nameom (nameom), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link