^this.
― sofatruck, Thursday, 25 March 2010 02:38 (fourteen years ago) link
i feel like "lover i don't have to love" is kind of histrionic enough to be a titus andronicus song
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 March 2010 02:39 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah what evan said, there's an unmistakable similarity but they strike much different chords imo, though they're probably going for something similar. oberst to me is whiny as hell and super self-loathing (and his lyrics...) and mr titus, who i'm just now getting into, is much more brash and confident and (lol) "punk"
― k3vin k., Thursday, 25 March 2010 03:21 (fourteen years ago) link
"connor oberst and the e street band perform an opera by craig finn"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 26 March 2010 01:05 (fourteen years ago) link
"craig finn as walt whitman" gave me chub tbh
that first description is actually kinda otm, lol
― 51ocki (k3vin k.), Friday, 26 March 2010 03:14 (fourteen years ago) link
agree w/ matt that this reminds me of Desaparecidos
― just sayin, Friday, 26 March 2010 09:34 (fourteen years ago) link
yep (but there is one song that sounds like sped-up Pogues)
― curmudgeon, Friday, 26 March 2010 13:59 (fourteen years ago) link
OH SNAP JORDAN PROJECT LODGE AWESOME
yup, love the lodge.
― rinse the lemonade (Jordan), Friday, 26 March 2010 15:10 (fourteen years ago) link
i stayed awake on the road last night singing along to this as best as i could
my only quibble with it is that despite some gang vocal moments its not as immediately sing alongable as i'd like for a record i'm feelin so much
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 27 March 2010 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link
totally fucking love this tho
'not looking for a new new jersey/cause tramps like us baby we were born to die'
like i don't think there would be a faster way to win my heart than with those two references right next to each other
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 27 March 2010 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link
followed by SOLO
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 27 March 2010 17:56 (fourteen years ago) link
i've thought about this album a lot. I don't normally like this, never felt The Hold Steady at all and I'm not a Springsteen fan, but this album has struck a chord with me heavy. it feels very very real to me, like it's the closest thing to ever even approach a feeling or an amalgamation of feelings that are felt by a wide swath of young people right now.
This feels like the underside of all the whimsical, detached embrace to American cultural roots that we see in everything from fashion to tumblr-blogs that glorify anything khaki or wooden; it feels like a real working American man's despair in 2010, filled with nostalgia for stuff he doesn't know and smothered by more stimuli and "art" and relationships than any man should have to filter in one lifetime.
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Saturday, 27 March 2010 18:08 (fourteen years ago) link
i cannot believe this album came from that dude.
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Saturday, 27 March 2010 18:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Nothing sounds better while sitting in one's car at 8:27 a.m., drinking coffee and waiting for the bank to open on a Saturday morning, than this album.
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Saturday, 27 March 2010 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link
it feels like a real working American man's despair in 2010, filled with nostalgia for stuff he doesn't know and smothered by more stimuli and "art" and relationships than any man should have to filter in one lifetime
see i kind of feel like they're reaching for this as a totally accessible and pre-existing mode
― thomp, Saturday, 27 March 2010 18:25 (fourteen years ago) link
HOOS just out of curiousity what are you taking 'not looking for a new new jersey' as a reference to? it's not billy bragg, is it?
― thomp, Saturday, 27 March 2010 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link
haha n/m i just saw you revice the other thread
― thomp, Saturday, 27 March 2010 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link
xxp of course it's pre-existing, isn't everything? but to reach for it and actually give it life as a compelling articulation that isn't trite or affected is pretty rare. they're not the first to try of course but their approach to it - references, self-awareness, guests, allusions to music ingrained in our culture, the speech samples - is so reflective of it that it creates this kind of subliminal resonance
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Saturday, 27 March 2010 18:36 (fourteen years ago) link
ok maybe i should have just said "one band doing a 'tramps like us' joke was enough already"
― thomp, Saturday, 27 March 2010 18:41 (fourteen years ago) link
i think maybe if i was a car owner i would like this record more
just read a blurb by hurricane fennessey in spin where dude says this was basically written about the relationship w/his boston gf falling apart as she went to bed early every night while he stayed up late watching Ken Burns' Civil War and being lonely and nostalgic about jersey
thats probably already on the wiki or something but i thought it was pretty illuminating
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 28 March 2010 08:05 (fourteen years ago) link
also the climax of the 14 min final track
― suge knight btw (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:33 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark
THE FUCKIN DRUMS MANTHE DRUMS
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 28 March 2010 08:14 (fourteen years ago) link
digging this so far
― everybody on ilx u have dandruff (Pillbox), Sunday, 28 March 2010 08:19 (fourteen years ago) link
on first listen i am preferring the first one, like, a lot
― thomp, Sunday, 28 March 2010 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link
thomp i am v confused
i thought you had already been listening and not-especially-digging all throughout the thread?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 28 March 2010 16:19 (fourteen years ago) link
i had been l. and n.-e.-d. the first one throughout; out of curiousity, today, i have l. and somewhat d. the first
― thomp, Sunday, 28 March 2010 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link
...
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 28 March 2010 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link
http://i1.tinypic.com/833rrc8.jpg
this band is playing for free in my town tomorrow night, thanks ILM!
― sleeve, Sunday, 28 March 2010 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link
starting 2 really cum around on how this album is really corny & overwrought & knows its bein corny & overwrought but is just like fuk it man theses are ~feelings~ & i got em
theme from 'cheers' is the 1 i like the best
― Lamp, Sunday, 28 March 2010 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link
fuk it man theses are ~feelings~ & i got em
otm i figured out this morning its an epic breakup album by a drama queen who doesn't know wtf he wants but he knows he's in PAIN and unhappy and doesn't want to leave this chick behind despite all her faults but also hates boston so much that he can't fuckin stay
^ that's characterization of our narrator, not a shot at dude
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 28 March 2010 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link
about the relationship w/his boston gf falling apart as she went to bed early every night while he stayed up late watching Ken Burns' Civil War and being lonely and nostalgic about jersey
^^^ wonderful imo
― facepalm death (samosa gibreel), Sunday, 28 March 2010 17:53 (fourteen years ago) link
idk if wonderful is how i wld describe that????
also makes the line abt if theres a girl in this college who hasn't been raped even more ...
― alt-3, gold & silver (Lamp), Sunday, 28 March 2010 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link
yah i have ~problems~ with that line
― thomp, Sunday, 28 March 2010 17:57 (fourteen years ago) link
likewise
i think he's trying to use it as a shot at boston frat boys or something but its like ummmm
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:06 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean it made a little more sense when on the 1st coupla listens thought dude was going 2 college in the carolinas
― alt-3, gold & silver (Lamp), Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:06 (fourteen years ago) link
like i think in context its a little clearer
the things i used to love i have come to rejectthe things i used to hate i have learned to acceptand the worst of the three you now have to expectsatan aint hard to see without craning your neckhe'll be 70 some inches tall he'll be chugging a beer and grabbing his ballshes the remote explosive waiting for someone to callhe's just 18 for now but hes going to murder us allsome days wanna give a little less than it'll takeis there a girl at this college who hasn't been raped?is there a boy in this town thats not exploding with hate?is there a human alive aint looked themself in the face without winking or saying what they mean without drinking without leaving something without thinking what if somebody doesnt approve?is there a soul on this earth that isn't too frightened to move?
he'll be 70 some inches tall he'll be chugging a beer and grabbing his ballshes the remote explosive waiting for someone to callhe's just 18 for now but hes going to murder us all
some days wanna give a little less than it'll takeis there a girl at this college who hasn't been raped?is there a boy in this town thats not exploding with hate?is there a human alive aint looked themself in the face without winking or saying what they mean without drinking without leaving something without thinking what if somebody doesnt approve?is there a soul on this earth that isn't too frightened to move?
he's trying to use it as a symptom of the soul killing hellhole version of boston he's painting
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:12 (fourteen years ago) link
obv its still a questionable proposition to point to rape as a reason a town suxx insofar as it could trivialize it ("boston sucks, lots of girls get raped there") but idk like i think he's trying--if a 24 year old dude is allowed to do this?--to like invoke the emotional trauma of rape as being similar to his own level of unhappiness?
maybe
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:15 (fourteen years ago) link
well yeah that's kind of how i took it, which is kind of where i start having a problem with it
― thomp, Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:23 (fourteen years ago) link
right
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't understand the problems with the rape line, it's a bit brash but makes sense in context and isn't insensitive i don't think
― 51ocki (k3vin k.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:31 (fourteen years ago) link
kinda feel like this positions rape as sum personal flaw or smthn tho? idk & its probably not worth getting into really but that line is just on sum which 1 doesnt belong here which 1 isnt the same tip
― alt-3, gold & silver (Lamp), Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:32 (fourteen years ago) link
my reaction was always just *rolls eyes at strawmanning frat boys*
― hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, March 28, 2010 3:14 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark
whenever i listen to the last track, i yearn for two banners to fall from my ceiling, one that reads FUCKING and the other that reads BAGPIPES
― hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:36 (fourteen years ago) link
lmao
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link
this is my fav part i think
and so now when i drink im going to drink to excessand when i smoke i will smoke keep it in hold it in my chestand when i scream i will scream until im gasping for breathand when i get sick i will stay sick for the rest of mydays peddling hate at the back of a chevy expresseach one will fly into the face of your idea of successand if this be thy will then fuckin' pass me the cupand im sorry dad no i'm not making this up!
and when i smoke i will smoke keep it in hold it in my chest
and when i scream i will scream until im gasping for breath
and when i get sick i will stay sick for the rest of my
days peddling hate at the back of a chevy express
each one will fly into the face of your idea of success
and if this be thy will then fuckin' pass me the cup
and im sorry dad no i'm not making this up!
― hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link
i believe the actual line is "each one a fart in the face of your idea of success"
i only correct because it made me lol so hard
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link
also <3 "my enemy is your name on my lips" or w/e the next line is
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:41 (fourteen years ago) link
lol if it is fart, i was just pulling that off songmeanings
― hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link