"Crank Dat" got 8 votes in Idolator and placed at #51
― 4 Out of 5 Dentists (The Reverend), Thursday, 30 October 2008 05:15 (fifteen years ago) link
I reckon MGMT will do very well indeed. It's probably the closest thing to a consensus pick for people this year, I hear it absolutely everywhere. Much much much more than Vampire Weekend.Suggest Ban Permalink― Tim F, Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:03 PM Bookmark
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Is this an Aussie oddity? As far as I know I haven't heard MGMT, where I hear VW about occasionally.
― 4 Out of 5 Dentists (The Reverend), Thursday, 30 October 2008 05:16 (fifteen years ago) link
Vampire Weekend plays very well in parts of the critical world that aren't OMG INTERNET STFU NOOB all the time: rockist print guys and newspaper d00ds who are ALWAYS well-represented in P&J
― Whiney G. Torture Garden (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 October 2008 05:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, remember that haterz don't really count for anything.
― 4 Out of 5 Dentists (The Reverend), Thursday, 30 October 2008 05:23 (fifteen years ago) link
OTM
― Whiney G. Torture Garden (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 October 2008 05:24 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah i guess i meant that i expect that vampire weekend will have lots of 1-5 placements but not a lot of 6-10 ones since most people either really like them or really hate them
ive got nothing to corroborate that assumption obv
― jordan s (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 30 October 2008 05:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Ha ha I hear about Vampire Weekend but never hear them played.
MGMT actually got to number 6 in our national album charts which suggests maybe it is an Oz oddity.
― Tim F, Thursday, 30 October 2008 05:49 (fifteen years ago) link
I like Vampire Weekend btw.
I should probably point out here that there won't be another Idolator poll. The last one nearly killed me.
Like a few others here, I'll wager Lil Wayne wins album and "Paper Planes" and "A Milli" photo-finish for single.
― Matos W.K., Thursday, 30 October 2008 05:57 (fifteen years ago) link
kanye won't come out in time
― jordan s (J0rdan S.), Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:39 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
it'll be out late November and probably leaked before then, so people will have well over a month to digest it by the time these ballots are due. not that I think it'll make the top 10, Graduation barely did (6 on P&J and 8 on Idolator) and that was much more of a sure thing, but time isn't really the issue.
I don't think "I Kissed A Girl" will do anything, big big hits on that level get met with indifference on these polls all the time and get like just enough votes to crack the top 100.
xpost - bummer to hear no more Idolator poll! I was wondering why I hadn't heard any internal rumblings about it yet.
― some dude, Thursday, 30 October 2008 06:05 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah i forgot kanye got pushed up to november but no one can make an accurate judgment about an album in one month (esp one that will be as divisive as 808s) so it might make the top 10 if people wildly inflate their opinions or it might be embarrassingly low if opinion goes the other way
― jordan s (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 30 October 2008 06:08 (fifteen years ago) link
some people can't make an accurate judgement in one year, myself included sometimes, but fuck it, i'm grabbing albums off the shelves and changing my list on Christmas eve most years. granted, there doesn't seem to be a very strong history of November/December releases placing on P&J but these days big releases run their course much quicker and I think if people feel strongly about something that wouldn't hold it back. the buzz on 808s is pretty damn bad outside of ILM and, like, universecity comments sections, though, I think even the inevitable defenders will be a small group.
― some dude, Thursday, 30 October 2008 06:17 (fifteen years ago) link
u probably right
― jordan s (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 30 October 2008 06:24 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm jealous of your short post, i want to make one too.
― some dude, Thursday, 30 October 2008 06:37 (fifteen years ago) link
MGMT actually got to number 6 in our national album charts which suggests maybe it is an Oz oddity.Suggest Ban Permalink― Tim F, Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:49 PM Bookmark
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Yeah, they only placed at #60 in the US. (VW's album reached #17.)
― 4 Out of 5 Dentists (The Reverend), Thursday, 30 October 2008 07:15 (fifteen years ago) link
some dude, u from baltimore?
matos, :^(
i dunno, call me an old fogey but, like Chuck, i just can't see Portishead placing top ten (particularly in light of Matos' unhappy news), and the Hold Steady "love" doesn't seem all that enthusiastic to me. otherwise, all y'all are probably way otm as per usual.
― Ioannis, Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:25 (fifteen years ago) link
some dude = alex in baltimore
― Gene Amondson (The Reverend), Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:51 (fifteen years ago) link
oh boy! right agin'.
― Ioannis, Thursday, 30 October 2008 11:03 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't get Chuck's "all hipsters like Made Out Of Babies" thread from a while back
Uh, maybe because I never said that (or started a thread to that effect)? Though who know, maybe I did over-estimate their hipster appeal regardless.
― xhuxk, Thursday, 30 October 2008 11:54 (fifteen years ago) link
i meant rhapsody article (plus I phrased it wrong)
Though admittedly awarded a mere “8” out of “10” in Decibel, The Ruiner – the third album from Brooklyn’s three-guy, one-grrrl Made Out of Babies – seems destined to wind up the '08 metal album of choice for, at very least, self-consciously hip young people who don’t listen to metal a whole lot. Some of them, predictably enough, even deny it’s a metal album at all.
All, I'm saying is, I think 2008 might go without a token hipster-endorsed metal album. Metallica will be the highest ranked metal album for sure, but I think any of the stuff that hipsters will stump for (Harvey Milk, Boris, Genghis Tron) probably won't place at all and none of them saw the heat that Mastodon, SunnO))) and Pig Destroyer saw in their respective years.
― Whiney G. Torture Garden (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 October 2008 12:18 (fifteen years ago) link
though Made Out Of Babies and Torche deserve more love than they get, IMHO
My bets for top ten (no order): H&LA, VW, TVotR, Wayne, Badu, Foxes, Portishead, Kanye?, Santogold?, Hold Steady?, Bad Seeds?, Randy Newman in token fogey slot?
Bad Seeds? Really?? Has Nick Cave ever done that good in P&J? I realize his critic appeal has inexplicably risen as his music has gotten even more boring in recent years (believe me, back in Birthday Party and even Kicking Against The Pricks days, almost no U.S. critics gave a shit, which actually used to bug me back then oddly enough), but Top 10 still seems like an extreme longshot to me.
― xhuxk, Thursday, 30 October 2008 12:31 (fifteen years ago) link
(Though on the other hand, wasn't the Cave album like a #1 album in England or something? That really surprised me, though maybe his albums always do that well there, and I just never noticed before. Not sure how that would translate to Pazz & Jop votes either way, though.)
― xhuxk, Thursday, 30 October 2008 12:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Not sure I buy this. I'm not going to go back and do granular research on the issue, but it seems to me that, in the past, similiarly inescpabale new wavey novelty-type hits (whatever you can say about "I Kissed a Girl," you can't say it's generic) have generally picked up enough votes to at least place toward the bottom of the Top 30 or 40. Just like with Vampire Weekend (and maybe Black Kids?), the fact that lots of critics hate Katy Perry won't count against her Pazz & Jop wise. But we'll see.
― xhuxk, Thursday, 30 October 2008 12:47 (fifteen years ago) link
mgmt was pretty huge here rev, which i can ascertain from the fact that ive heard that song a million times unintentionally which doesnt happen too often w/ indie rock favs
― joe 40oz (deej), Thursday, 30 October 2008 13:05 (fifteen years ago) link
according to metacritic:
1 Steinski: What Does It All Mean? 1983-2006 Retrospective 902 The Bug: London Zoo 903 Plush: Fed 894 Bon Iver: For Emma, Forever Ago 895 TV On The Radio: Dear Science, 886 Fleet Foxes: Fleet Foxes 877 Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds: Dig!!! Lazarus Dig!!! 878 Robyn: Robyn 869 Hercules And Love Affair: Hercules And Love Affair 8610 Protest The Hero: Fortress 86
jeez, i've heard all of two of those.
― THE TOWER OF HUMANOID ANTIBODIES!!! (Ioannis), Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:38 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
wtf didnt that plush album come out like 3 years ago???
― 888 (ice crӕm), Thursday, 30 October 2008 13:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Re MGMT, "Electric Feel" is an even bigger hit here than "Time To Pretend". And the second song on the album ("Weekend Wars" I think??) has been used in a massive, inescapable ad campaign. It's weird.
― Tim F, Thursday, 30 October 2008 13:09 (fifteen years ago) link
new wavey novelty-type hits...have generally picked up enough votes to at least place
A couple Ting Tings singles (not nearly as inescapable as Perry but they actually got modern rock airplay in the States) could benefit from this principle, too. (And maybe even their album, too, though I kinda doubt that.)
― xhuxk, Thursday, 30 October 2008 13:12 (fifteen years ago) link
The only deserving winner:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/extendedplay/images/2007/11/20/swift300.jpg
― Tim F, Thursday, 30 October 2008 13:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Hmmm...so maybe she'll win the Miranda Lambert Memorial Wish I Would Have Voted For Her Superior Debut Album Award after all.
― xhuxk, Thursday, 30 October 2008 13:39 (fifteen years ago) link
It was Japan only then. Everywhere else got Underfed, the demos album.
― cold and super-rational with anger (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 30 October 2008 13:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Another long-shot question: Does "Yes We Can" by Will I. Am. (or anything else election related -- Cocoa Tea's Barack Omaba song? - nah, probably not) get enough votes to place toward the bottom of the singles Top 40? (And do they do better if Obama wins than if he doesn't?)
― xhuxk, Thursday, 30 October 2008 13:45 (fifteen years ago) link
― Tim F, Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:49 AM (8 hours ago)
huge sadface :(( tim, it's terrible. his VOICE.
even huger sadface :(((
― lex pretend, Thursday, 30 October 2008 13:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Don't worry Lex it's not gonna make my top twenty or anything.
― Tim F, Thursday, 30 October 2008 13:59 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't think anything Obama-related will have any effect on P&J, at least not this year. Does anyone actually like "Yes We Can"?
― some dude, Thursday, 30 October 2008 14:02 (fifteen years ago) link
fwiw i agree that mgmt have quietly become ubiquitous in the right circles to suggest a high placing here.
haters won't hurt katy perry but i haven't seen a great deal of rapture for it either, unlike rehab or ella-ella-ella. what does it say that the biggest, zeitgeistiest pop hit of 08 inspires more vocal hate than anything else.
'american boy' maybe?
i like the H&LA album but it's being so overrated. can't see it coming near even my top 30.
― lex pretend, Thursday, 30 October 2008 14:03 (fifteen years ago) link
has anyone mentioned santogold yet? noticed a lot of love for that at the time. it's the only indie album of the year i like, anyway.
― lex pretend, Thursday, 30 October 2008 14:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Lex you will like Gang Gang Dance.
― Tim F, Thursday, 30 October 2008 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Does anyone actually like "Yes We Can"?
Nobody I know likes it, but you'd be surprised what well-meaning Pazz & Joppers will vote for sometimes. (I'd say "corny Pazz & Joppers," but I actually think it would be kind of sweet if people vote for that song, even though I can't stand it myself.)
It says it definitely won't finish in the top 2, like rehab or ella ella ella. But who said it would? # 35 and # 2 aren't exactly the same thing.
Vampire Weekend is an okay new wave album. Though I replayed it this morning and it sounded thinner than I thought, mainly because of the guy's voice. (Not sure if any potential voters will come to the same conclusion when they re-play it themselves though.)
― xhuxk, Thursday, 30 October 2008 14:10 (fifteen years ago) link
i love gang gang dance! xp
― lex pretend, Thursday, 30 October 2008 14:10 (fifteen years ago) link
huh, i just remembered that year when that "george bush doens't care about black people" thing placed.
― lex pretend, Thursday, 30 October 2008 14:11 (fifteen years ago) link
the mariah album really should've eaten this summer btw, huge zeigeisty pop hits and all, but though it's still almost certainly going to be my no 2, i feel a little embarrassed repping so hard for it after she effed up its singles campaign so spectacularly
― lex pretend, Thursday, 30 October 2008 14:13 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, I almost mentioned that horrible Legendary K.O. thing in my last post, because I really think lefty critics are a lot more likely to put a song like that (or, ugh, "Rock The Casbah") on as a 'protest ballot,' then to include a song merely to celebrate Obama (of which there are many, none of which seem to be any good). maybe if the election gets robbed again there'd be a big angry anthem. (xpost)
― some dude, Thursday, 30 October 2008 14:14 (fifteen years ago) link
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― cold and super-rational with anger (Raw Patrick), Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:42 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol internet
― 888 (ice crӕm), Thursday, 30 October 2008 14:14 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe if the election gets robbed again there'd be a big angry anthem
"Born in the Land of the KKK"! get crackin', Bruce.
― Ioannis, Thursday, 30 October 2008 14:34 (fifteen years ago) link
has anyone mentioned santogold yet?
Yeah, it's been mentioned. "L.E.S. Artists" will do real well as a single (maybe top five, as somebody said above); album will do respectably too, I assume. But what about her Diplo mixtape? I like that more than the "real" album myself, and M.I.A.'s Diplo mixtape placed back before anybody even knew who M.I.A. was, right? Plus the Santogold mix got reviewed in Rolling Stone, so I assume it's been heard pretty widely. Then again, people having to split votes between two Santogold albums could potentially hurt both album's chances, too.
― xhuxk, Thursday, 30 October 2008 14:55 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't think anything Obama-related will have any effect on P&J, at least not this year. Does anyone actually like "Yes We Can"?― some dude, Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:02 AM Bookmark
― some dude, Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:02 AM Bookmark
Dear gawd. I briefly roomed with an Obama field organizer who was a giant cornball. I was listening to something or other and he asked me, "Can you play 'Yes We Can'? It would make me really feel better." I looked at him like he was retarded.
Anyway, I don't think something like "Yes We Can" will do as well as "George Bush Doesn't Care About Black People", because unlike that one, there's no novelty factor.
― Gene Amondson (The Reverend), Thursday, 30 October 2008 18:04 (fifteen years ago) link
serious lols at that story
― some dude, Thursday, 30 October 2008 18:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Lil Wayne will not win album of the year because only rap albums that seem to criticize or investigate rap itself end up winning.
― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 30 October 2008 18:09 (fifteen years ago) link
dude sings as much as he raps on it and twiddles a guitar on a bunch of songs, wouldn't that count?
― some dude, Thursday, 30 October 2008 18:15 (fifteen years ago) link