Rolling Teenpop 2006 Thread

[Sorry if this is a double-post; I'm getting poxy fuled all over the place]

Radio Disney is hardly the only word in teenpop; MTV-TRL is another concentration of teenpower, one that isn't committed to pushing Disney product (though for all I know they have the same parent corporation at this point). Cheyenne Kimball - with an MTV reality show - is hanging on at 35 in mainstream pop airplay with 1,248 spins, while Hannah Montana is getting a big fat zero. And JoJo's "Too Little Too Late" is getting 3,612 spins and rising on mainstream pop, while not showing in the Disney Top 50.

By the way, do any of you know what Nickelodeon is doing to promote music, and to promote itself among teenpop fans? I don't have a TV and don't know if Nickelodeon has a musical impact or not.

I'm surprised Hilary's old stuff isn't showing higher, or Avril's. My guess is that you find them around 3 or 4 plays along with "I Got You" and "Get Ready For This" and "Jumpin Jumpin" and "Who Let the Dogs Out." I wonder if the new Hilary will get much Disney play, given that it's going for a glossy Kylie Minogue Eurodisco sound. And I'll bet that "London Bridge" is getting lotsa lotsa lotsa kid play but that Radio Disney won't touch it.

That's because Jojo's new single just got added into rotation this week. Expect it to make a showing starting next week when the new top 30 comes out (although the positive response wasn't overwhelming for adding "Too Late," something like 73%).

what Nickelodeon is doing to promote music

The only Nick breakthrough is Emma Roberts, who was handled by one of the major labels with no affiliation w/ Nickelodeon specifically. IIRC Nick is part of Viacom, so I imagine the parent company is more interested in what's going on over at TRL, but they could make a little niche for themselves if they really wanted to, they have Jamie Lynn Spears, too (who as far as I know doesn't have any music available outside the theme song to her show, written by Britney!). Disney occasionally gives slight nods to Nick types but obviously their interest is in promoting their own artists...including Jordan Pruitt who I think is on Hollywood.

Avril might finally be burned out after god knows how long of "Sk8er Boi" (and nothing else) in the top 30.

Also re: the posted chart, keep an eye out for "I Got Nerve" by Hannah, it's probably her best. Doesn't seem to have much hope of crossing over...WBS, you might like "Nerve" better than theme songish "Best of Both Worlds"...it's streaming over at the Angry Samoans Myspace after Circle Jerks - "Red Tape"

It would be so great for the new Hilary to make it on RD, and I'm sure they'll do everything in their power to get it on the charts since it's still in house. But I'm pretty sure kids aren't going to be voting for it in "Wake Up"/"Beat of My Heart" numbers (I do expect it to do pretty well on TRL, though, maybe her stepping stone away from Disney?)

On Paris Hilton: I've only scanned the album, but I'm incredibly disappointed. People were telling me that the album was actually quite good - but even Storch's (very talented) production can't stop her vocals from grating on me. I can bear to listen to "Stars are Blind," but that's the exception. In general, she drones.

Christina on the other hand, is a delight. I'll probably be listening to the album in the weeks to come - because that brassy, big-band sound she's got is fabulous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4sJMcgeDe0

You be the judge!(If it's not old already)

I listened to Chemicals React. I like the consistency in the lyrical theme ("You make me feel out of my element / like I'm walking on broken glass."). She's talking about elements/glass/chemicals, both on the physical plane and also emotionally. I get the feeling listening to the song that the chemicals reacting aren't the classical love song chemicals. It's more physical, like their very physical properties (skin, blood, bone?). This isn't novel, but it's fun for the moment, and the implication of physical romance doesn't seem par for the course for Disney. Especially when one of the singers is still on a Disney sitcom (Phil of the Future). And my sister swears by it.

On that note, I found most of Aly + AJ's songs on the Intro the Rush album. But I couldn't find Chemicals React there (I ended up using Myspace). Is that coming out on the new album?

Also, I notice that the actual playlist doesn't altogether match up with what the Radio Disney site lists as its Top 30.

And if you check Mediabase you'll see that JoJo is neck-and-neck with Nickelback for the greatest increase in plays in the last 7 days on Mainstream Top 40, while Disney is still barely playing "Too Little Too Late" or not playing it at all. (But if you combine all charts I'll bet that Evenescence has the biggest increase in plays overall.)

I'm guessing that the part that seems "Avril/Gothy" to you is the droney verse rather than the chorus.

Yeah, the maid keeps calling in sick.

Writer credits on "Jealousy": Kara DioGuardi, Paris Hilton, Scott Storch. I'd credit DioGuardi with lots of the beauty.

And I guess it's time to say that I've had an advance of the Platinum Weird CD for almost three weeks, it has powerful moments and tuneful moments, but overall it's not taking me to the moon. "Middling MOR pop-rock" underrates it, but still, that's its neighborhood (as opposed to Ashlee's restless, pained, complex, ecstatic, glorious MOR pop-rock).

[For those new to the thread, Platinum Weird is Kara DioGuardi and Dave Stewart, Kara singing lead, prod. by John Shanks, who co-writes four of the songs. Shanks and DioGuardi, together and separately, have had a hand in a huge chunk of the stuff being drooled over in this thread. You can be sure I'll have more to say on the alb.]

PARIS by PARIS HILTON, track by track: album of the year!
In a shock move, people at the Other Place are being mean about this album. But it should be right up the Poptimist alley!

'Turn It Up' - a typical Scott Storch crunk'n'b banger which starts off with Paris yelping "yah! that's hott!" over minimal bleeps and beats, before it turns into this incredible super-polished Britney-fronting-Pussycat Dolls thing, breathy yelps and whispers for the verses and elegant lift-off synths for the chorus
'Fightin' Over Me' - even more minimal, plinky-plonky synths and not much else as Paris sets Fat Joe and Jadakiss at each other's throats for the honour of, it turns out, being rejected by her. "All those boys, all those silly boys," she rolls her eyes, before inexplicably giggling "Welcome to Paris!" - pronounced the French way
'Stars Are Blind' - you know this already. Gorgeous, yearning, boundlessly hopeful
'I Want You' - even more plastic fantastic, underpinned by a massive horn sample which careers along like an unstoppable force over some sterling chord changes
'Jealousy' - the one about Nicole Richie which I talked about yesterday
'Heartbeat' - absolutely gorgeous ballad which drifts along on a cloud of dreamy, very 80s synths before bursting into a chorus which is, again, really, genuinely moving in its hopefulness and yearning. It reminds me of a cross between Annie's 'Heartbeat' and 'Time After Time', it's that good
'Nothing In This World' - comes on like 'Since U Been Gone', having got the angst out of its system and able to breathe for the first time, donning its zip-up boots and heading down to the local disco for some whirlwind romance. If this means stealing another girl's man then so be it - Paris makes the line "I can do what she can do so much better!" sound like the most innocently optimistic thing ever. She doesn't mean to be mean! (Also, this album is the first I've heard which ties both strands of current teenpop - guitar-based confessional Lohan/Lavigne/Clarkson/Simpson Jr teenrock, and hott beatz'n'braggadocio r&b - together again - a really important accomplishment)
'Screwed' - an absolute stormer, much better than the remix which got leaked last year. The tune is just unstoppable, the 4/4 kick under the chorus awe-inspiring, and the lyrics excellent - in the first verse it's all about "the same old story: boy meets girl and she falls much harder than him", in the second "boy falls under the spell of a woman from hell". Somewhere in there she would like intimacy over getting screwed but until then she'll merrily dance the night away. I have lobbied for this to be the next single!
'Not Leaving Without You' - more amazing pop goodness; starts with thrumming disco synth and twanging country guitar before it explodes into an irresistible prime-80s-Madonna chorus of "We can dance! We can dance! We can dance!", a TICK-TOCK TICk-TOCK moment (surely now mandatory for all female popstrels) and a stomping, whirling conclusion PLUS RAP - "I wanna know what you dream about! I wanna know what you're thinkin' now! And when the lights go down and you come around, let me see what it's all about!"
'Turn You On' - back to the Storch crunk'n'b for a tongue-firmly-entrenched-in-the-bubblegum-lodged-in-Paris's-cheek tease of a song. "I'm sexy and you know it - clap your hands!" she orders before declaring "tonight I'll be your liquid dream" (nice, Paris, nice) and "Girls and boys are looking at me! I can't blame, I'm so sexy!" This is what I envisaged Paris's pop career to be like and she has not let me down
'Do Ya Think I'm Sexy?' - initially I just thought this was funny, shoved on to the end of the album at Paris's insistence even though everyone else involved is slightly embarrassed, and backing away from her like everyone tries to pretend the drunk girl doing horrid karaoke isn't in their group of friends, oh no, we don't know her at all. But I think I like it properly now! I never thought I'd hear a version of this hitherto appalling song which made it not only tolerable but good

So, overall: POP ALBUM OF THE YEAR! Hurrah!

1 "Turn It Up" Bowden, Hilton, Magnet, Storch 3:12
2 "Fightin' Over Me" Fat Joe, Hilton, Jackson, Jackson, Jadakiss, Magnet, Storch 4:01
3 "Stars Are Blind" Garlbay, McCarthy, Solomon 3:56
4 "I Want You" Bogart, DioGuardi, Gibb, Rotem 3:12
5 "Jealousy" DioGuardi, Hilton, Storch 3:40
6 "Heartbeat" Alexander, Steinberg, Storch 3:43
7 "Nothing in This World" Gottwald, Solomon 3:10
8 "Screwed" DioGuardi, Wells 3:41
9 "Not Leaving Without You" DioGuardi, Hilton, Wells 3:35
10 "Turn You On" Hilton, Jackson, Jackson, Storch, Triggs 3:06
11 "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy" Appice, Hitchings, Stewart 4:34

Um, P!nk certainly had these moments. And Clarkson too, though I wouldn't call it braggadocio, and it would be hott beat dance-pop more than hott beat r&b. Kelly was dance-pop before she was rock. But maybe in her case she alternates different types of songs rather than running them together.

dancepop and confessional rock sit together more easily than r&b and confessional rock - even ashlee does it! while i can imagine any given teenrock singer doing an upbeat dancepop song, it's harder to imagine a clarkson or a simpson jr over storch productions like 'turn it up' or 'buttonz'.

Anyway, the bigger news is that Skye's track with Dr. Luke and Max Martin is confirmed, called "Girl Like Me." The only description of it so far is "rock" (duh) so probably Kelly C/Veronicas variety. Album pushed to next year, hopefully the single will come out before then.

Also, there's a little bit of the R&B past running through Pink's new stuff, U + UR Hand is like some weird union of GTPS and 4ever

(From Brooklynvegan)

Since when did Bob Dylan become such a blowhard? I'm reminded of when Woody Allen said that movies like American Pie are rubbish. Frank, don't you see Dylan as a part of the teen-pop tradition? I suppose Ashley Simpson will be dismissing pop music 30 years hence.

"U + Ur Hand" seems like it's going to be a great song, "4ever" given chopped-up beats, but then goes awry with forced singing. Irritating.

Nah, that was Ashley Olson. Not sure whether or not that's weirder.

I'd like to see this in context before judging it. I mean, maybe he's just explaining how out of it he is. Or maybe he's explaining that nobody he knows, i.e. is personally acquainted with, has made a record that sounds decent (as opposed to all those decent-sounding records by people he's never met). </grasping at straws>

But it does seem stupid, doesn't it?

I like the song - esp. in the verse where it does a three note figure, then a variation on it but lower in the key, then another variation, still lower, very pretty. But the track has the same Brit sleekness that's often a barrier to my loving likable stuff by Girls Aloud, Rachel Stevens, Kylie, Sugababes, et al. This could reach me more after several plays, perhaps.

(No relation, btw.)

Curiously, given the way the discussion on this thread has gone, my feelings towards the Paris album aren't directed towards the singer as a persona/personality, just as my feelings towards t.A.T.u. aren't directed towards those two Russian girls and my feelings towards Boney M aren't directed towards Liz Mitchell. And I love t.A.T.u. and Boney M. Oddly enough, though I am moved incredibly by Diana Ross songs such as "Love Hangover" and "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" and "Swept Away," once again I'm not focusing those feelings on a personality or persona. This doesn't mean that I think Ross et al. have no input into their music, or that I don't hear a human voice in their singing, or for that matter that I don't have feelings and opinions about Ross et al. from what I know of their personalities/personas. Just that the feelings engendered by the music don't take the form of feelings towards a personality. (And of course this is very much the opposite of what goes on with me in regard to Ashlee, Kelly, and Lindsay. And damned if I know where I am with Hilary. She's a cipher, but that doesn't mean that my feelings aren't in search of some sort of personality there.)
I can't say that I've a good idea why in some instances I hear a personality to take in my feelings and in others I don't.

-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), August 25th, 2006. (Frank Kogan)

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(Does anyone have a song-by-song producers list for the album? Allmusic.com specifies songwriters but not producers.)

Stephen Thomas Erlewine:

They come up with a sound that's casually modern and retro with enough heft in its rhythms to sound good at clubs, yet it's designed to be heard outdoors on the sunniest day of the summer. This is exceedingly light music, as sweet and bubbly as a wine spritzer, yet it isn't so frothy that it floats away.

Erlewine is a frog on a bump on a log, and I often think he's wrong, but he's a good critic, because he's willing to be surprised by albums and because he tries to be as articulate as possible about why he likes or dislikes something. In any event, I don't hear Paris the way Erlewine does. It's "light" in the sense of being unassuming and not coming across as trying to communicate anything weighty. But the actual sound is rather thick, layers of overdubbed vocals finding their way to choruses that often enough contain guitar chord upon guitar chord, the dense beauty of the vocals buried headfirst in the guitar thicket. The consistency I spoke of isn't just quality but timbre, different producers using the same strategies (maybe following Hilton's instruction). I don't know another album that has quite this sound. Paris's voice is itself unifying, something of a fuzzy uninflected hum from back in the throat. Compare Paris's Gottwald-written "Nothing In This World" to the Veronicas' Gottwald-written "Everything I'm Not." On "Everything" the singers are up there in the bright high pitch, working you over with ingratiating come-hither/fuck-off vocals. Whereas in "Nothing"'s pretty harmony section, Paris stays down in her comfy burr, relaxing. Not as arresting as the Veronicas, but not as irritating, either.

-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), August 25th, 2006. (Frank Kogan)

MARY WEISS, lead singer of the Shangri-Las, is recording her first album of new material since 1965 with the Reigning Sound for release on Norton Records, with Billy Miller and Greg Cartwright producing. Mary is selecting from a batch of great new comps from today's most talked-about songwriters including Greg Cartwright, John Felice, Andy Shernoff, Jackie DeShannon and others TBA!

Mary was fifteen years old when she and her sister Elizabeth (Betty) began singing with identical twins Margie and Mary Ann Ganser in their Cambria Heights neighborhood of Queens, New York, as students at Andrew Jackson High School. They soon came to the attention of George "Shadow" Morton and shot into the charts with massive hits on the Red Bird label including Remember (Walking In The Sand), Leader Of The Pack, Give Him A Great Big Kiss, I Can Never Go Home Anymore, Give Us Your Blessings and Out In The Streets.

The Shangri-Las gave a voice to real teenagers, with Mary's explosive lead vocals delivering emotion-packed melodramas that made them one of the most consistently exciting groups of the day.

They were twinpop!

I will point out, though, that their songs were written by real nonteenagers (which doesn't mean they can't have given voice to real teenagers, of course).

There was an ilM thread about this album several months back. Interesting set of songwriters, though it pretty much guarantees a retro sound mixed w/ neogarage-rock. As does the choice of the Reigning Sound as accompaniment, I'd think. Not that she should be going for a contemporary teenpop sound instead, necessarily (she's approx. 56). I'm just afraid that the garagers will put a haze of subcult oldiness around her. If all goes well, maybe there'll be some of the musical tension and ambition of a group like the Gore Gore Girls. After all, the '60s garage sound was part of the overall changes that put groups like the Shangri-Las out of business, and the Gore Gores mix it up in a cantankerous way.

Her current look'd actually work for country, I'd think.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2388/maryweissys8.jpg

I mean, an heiress known best for nightvision porn and reality TV; where's the idol in that?

Lohan has this dramatic backstory to prop up her misadventures and so gain identification, Ashlee has that sweet, underdog thing, The Veronicas twiness provides enough Lacanian reverb to last days, Lily Allen has pluck and cheek.

Paris is just...blank. And, well, skanky. And what archetype are people saying Yes to when buying her stuff?