Is the teller of this joke often a snotty prick?
― asdf troll, Thursday, 25 November 2004 04:05 (nineteen years ago) link
Yeah, I thought the answer to this one was Tricky's Maxinquaye.
― papa november (papa november), Thursday, 25 November 2004 04:13 (nineteen years ago) link
The tirade is from 2001, but still sort of entertaining.
Doesn't look like there's a good collection yet, tho. I guess maybe licensing is a hassle with all those different labels.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 06:08 (eighteen years ago) link
New Mann in September, called "Charmer." Features, um, Tim Heidecker.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
i met aimee mann last week.. they were shooting a video in the store i work at. she was quite nice.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
She's super nice. And tall.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
Eh, this new one is just OK. Pretty pro forma Aimee Mann, not some big, bold post-six year wait statement.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
kinda how i felt about the last few -- nothing particularly wrong with them, just not as strong as those records from the late 90s/early 00s. i'll still check it out though.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 15:30 (eleven years ago) link
Xpost
You've heard it already?
― to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, now I've heard it. It's just OK. Too many farty new wave keyboards, a lot of weird double tracked vocals, mostly the usual mid-tempo stuff, though a song called "Gamma Ray" is pretty rocking.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 17:50 (eleven years ago) link
i have the same problems w/ her as a lot of other folks: her songs all seem to have the same tempi, the arrangements too tend to be frustratingly similar and "tangy" in that jon brion way i find kind of bloodless, etc. although her songs from it are pretty good, i can't abide the movie magnolia so that's not exactly a plus for me, either.
but damned if this new track isn't a crazy earworm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA1cX-wgMdM
and it doesn't really seem to grow stale with repeated listens. needless to say the jon hamm and tom scharpling appearances in the video are a bonus.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 06:17 (eleven years ago) link
am i wrong in finding the way the piano is treated in this tune sort of reminiscent of new wave arrangements? or is it just that the retro video is influencing me?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 06:20 (eleven years ago) link
I am super duper into this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQxoW78KwuM
― bell biv devo (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
i didn't really care for "charmer," the chorus is so staid and inert, but "labrador" is gorgeous and reminds me of how much time i'd spend in high school listening to bachelor no. 2 and lost in space
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
i bought this new one and... like most aimee mann records, i didn't really care for it on first listen. going to see her in jan though and i figure i will come to love it by then. it just seemed even more aimee mann-y than the other aimee mann-y records.
― a hoy hoy, Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
Labrador is definitely great, pretty sure it's calling back musically to her Til Tuesday days (if the video didn't make that incredibly obvious already), but with her older improved songwriting chops
Have you guys seen the video for Soon Enough? One of my favorite songs on the album and it turns out it was cowritten by Tim Heidecker??
― Nhex, Monday, 12 November 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
Pretty intriguing that she's taking Ted Leo out on tour. I'm catching her on Wednesday.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 12 November 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
Caught them at Town Hall a couple weeks ago, they were both good. I dig the kinda-spacey submarine stage setup they have with the lead guitarist on one end and Doctor Who at the other.
(Spoiler alert - Leo does a better job on "Living A Lie" than James Mercer, IMO)
― Nhex, Monday, 12 November 2012 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.spin.com/articles/aimee-mann-medianet-copyright-lawsuit/
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 18:50 (ten years ago) link
still don't understand what the heck MediaNet is
― Nhex, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 19:12 (ten years ago) link
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQXeKiyblGq_UZTLMWjl0MEIyxw5mKMhO0HYbQs0bbzpDR87I6Cuw
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 19:13 (ten years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/53705-ted-leo-and-aimee-mann-announce-collaborative-album-and-tour-as-the-both-share-milwaukee/
― Inside Lewellyn Sinclair (cryptosicko), Saturday, 25 January 2014 00:20 (ten years ago) link
Finally, someone who has kicked Mann out of her perma mid-tempo rut.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 25 January 2014 00:52 (ten years ago) link
psyched
― Nhex, Saturday, 25 January 2014 03:38 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, she's too good to be pigeonholed.
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 26 January 2014 19:06 (ten years ago) link
To do it to herself that is...
Her bass playing is pretty wicked on this!
― Three Word Username, Sunday, 26 January 2014 19:30 (ten years ago) link
yeah, i'm excited for this. is it possible Mann has a stronger ILM following than Leo?
― one second I'm a goons, then suddenly the goons is me (some dude), Sunday, 26 January 2014 20:02 (ten years ago) link
Ok, so this is a pretty solid cross between the two songwriters. Interesting to hear the effect each has on the other, melodically, musically, lyrically. Sounds like a true collaboration. Tempers Ted Leo a bit, pumps up his power-pop, grits/perks up Mann, lets her explore more rough edges. They're both singing on every song, but generally one takes lead while the other plays support/harmony. Brightening this endless winter right now.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 February 2014 22:38 (ten years ago) link
Sounds good, can't wait
― Nhex, Saturday, 8 February 2014 00:21 (ten years ago) link
Man, "Lost in Space" is such a great record. She leans a little too hard on drugs (which she has conceded is a shorthand metaphor), but it's just such a dark, beautiful record.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 April 2014 14:03 (ten years ago) link
No doubt! It's wonderful
You get The Both? Definitely some good tracks, "Milwaukee" still probably the best track, weird/fun how Ted brings Aimee back to her '90s mode a little.
― Nhex, Monday, 21 April 2014 14:08 (ten years ago) link
Lost in Space is her best album by some margin, I think.
― akm, Monday, 21 April 2014 14:12 (ten years ago) link
Best Al-Anon record ever. The drugs can be shorthand for any addiction, and being in the orbit of someone with an addiction (and loving/resenting it).
― That's So (Eazy), Monday, 21 April 2014 15:07 (ten years ago) link
if i had to pick one album, it would be bachelor #2. i think it is one of the most perfect female singer-songwriter albums after the classic joni mitchell records from the seventies. lost in space i never really got into, i was really disappointed after bachelor #2. it seemed so middle of the road, so unimaginative. maybe i should give it a spin gain.
― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 21 April 2014 15:28 (ten years ago) link
LiS is a subtler record than B#2 but, I think, a more rewarding one.
― Inside Lewellyn Sinclair (cryptosicko), Monday, 21 April 2014 15:44 (ten years ago) link
Only reason I wouldn't pick B#2 is that it followed Magnolia and obv overlaps a lot with it, which made it a bit anti-climactic, imo. Also, lacks her cover of "One" from the aforementioned.
So: what's up with "Lost in Space" being so thick with drug-stuff, and then that album being followed by "The Forgotten Arm," which is also thick with drug stuff?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 April 2014 16:31 (ten years ago) link
Bachelor #2 is always gonna be my favorite, I think, I consider Magnolia to be a companion EP to it (instrumental of "Nothing is Good Enough" really solidifies that feel) as well being the album that got me into Mann. But I'm With Stupid and Lost In Space are both great as well, for different reasons.
― Nhex, Monday, 21 April 2014 16:40 (ten years ago) link
I had the Mag soundtrack, then bought direct the EP that preceded B#2. And then B#2 was basically most of the songs from Magnolia plus the EP .
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 April 2014 16:56 (ten years ago) link
She put Whatever and I'm With Stupid back in print, right? I once saw her, and this one person was yelling for "Superball." Mann couldn't believe it, but I like that song, too.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 April 2014 16:57 (ten years ago) link
I also would pick B#2 -- and Whatever -- ahead of LiS. Maybe even The Forgotten Arm! Something about LiS just makes it a little less memorable for me.
I've seen her a couple times, and at one show she took requests. Someone asked for "Jacob Marley's Chain" from Whatever, and she had to go over the chords with the band before she could remember how to play it.
― bi-polar uncle (its OK-he's dead) (Phil D.), Monday, 21 April 2014 17:01 (ten years ago) link
lost in space benefits from jon brion's wizardry and magic fuzztones and features some really stunning highlights but imo the forgotten arm is stronger top-to-bottom
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 21 April 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link
No Jon Brion on "Lost in Space," iirc. Or any of the post "Magnolia" stuff. (Maybe Brion was too in charge during "I'm With Stupid"?)
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 April 2014 17:40 (ten years ago) link
guitar tones on bachelor no. 2 and lost in space are all time, warm resonant lasers
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 21 April 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link
cried to "it's not" at work today, woo
yeah, I'm With Stupid has ton of Brion-isms, wacky circus typewriter effects and so on"it's not" is all-time
― Nhex, Monday, 21 April 2014 17:47 (ten years ago) link
― bi-polar uncle (its OK-he's dead) (Phil D.), Monday, April 21, 2014 1:01 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Does she have some kind of disowny thing happening with her first two records? When I saw her about 5 years ago, the whole show was requests, pieces of paper thrown up on stage. A few times she looked at the paper and curtly said, "Nope, don't do that one anymore," and the oldest song she played was from Magnolia.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 21 April 2014 17:47 (ten years ago) link
no, she still plays a good amount of stuff from the first two, like "4th of July", "Choice in the Matter", and "You Could Make a Killing" are standards in the set list... I've seen her perform some odd stuff out too like "Fifty Years After the Fair", "Frankenstein", "Ray" in the last few yearsthere are a few I don't think we'll ever see again, though, like "Put Me On Top"
― Nhex, Monday, 21 April 2014 17:57 (ten years ago) link
oh yeah, of course "That's Just What You Are" comes back around a lot
if any album has been mysteriously ignored it's The Forgotten Arm - I never actually heard this one, so I tend to notice only "Dear John" still gets played from that one
― Nhex, Monday, 21 April 2014 18:00 (ten years ago) link
I'll be the first to admit I take her for granted, but she's great. Reading the comments on your (other) thread I've got to admit I never considered the/a Bryan Ferry comparison. She's certainly got the right cool and sense of craft, but there's always a heartbreak/ache lurking beneath the surface of her songs that someone like Ferry is too stylized or affected to allow.
Speaking of taking for granted, I used to think she was one of several like-minded Beatles etc. indebted singer-songwriters, but now that I think about it more it's probably my fault for not keeping up with her peers. Though as far as I know they've all retired or moved on to other things, at least as likely as them continuing on certain cult-y paths that I've missed. Jason Falkner, Joe Pernice, um ... Marshall Crenshaw? I'd love to hear her do a duo record with Neil Finn (who had a headstart in the biz but is just two years older than Mann).
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 12:06 (two years ago) link
Inspired by Alfred I've been re-listening to all her stuff, and it makes me feel conflicted, because it's all so good and ... all kind of sounds interchangeable. But not always in a bad way, just in tempo and feel and melody and instrumentation. But that's not bad, because the songs are all good!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 23:35 (two years ago) link
always kinda thought that aimee mann would have been (more) amazing if she had been in a good band(a better band than Til Tuesday)in the mode of REM or i dunno, Wilco
― sean gramophone, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 23:44 (two years ago) link
Maybe if she’d joined Rush
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 9 September 2021 02:22 (two years ago) link
boom
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 September 2021 02:44 (two years ago) link
Goal was wide open.
― What Does Blecch Mean to Me? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 September 2021 05:10 (two years ago) link
and time stood still
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 9 September 2021 06:59 (two years ago) link
I had no idea she had a podcast with Ted Leo. I can't wait to dive in. "The Art of Process with Aimee Mann and Ted Leo is the newest artistic collaboration from legendary singer-songwriters Aimee Mann and Ted Leo. Every other week, Aimee, Ted, and friends across the creative spectrum discuss the process of turning an idea into art."
https://maximumfun.org/podcasts/the-art-of-process-with-aimee-mann-and-ted-leo/
Ian Mackaye, Open Mike Eagle, Kim Gordon ...
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 September 2021 01:33 (two years ago) link
If you're excited about that podcast, wait until you hear The Both!
― Nhex, Monday, 27 September 2021 01:35 (two years ago) link
That album was OK, I'm actually more excited about the podcast.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 September 2021 02:34 (two years ago) link
Don’t remember if I’ve said this before, but I remember seeing Mann at the height of my fandom for her & being utterly devastated at her lack of stage presence / charisma / “star quality”I felt like she was the anti-Elvis.
― "The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Monday, 27 September 2021 04:12 (two years ago) link
Kinda like The Cars! I never really thought about commonalities between the two, but the craft, the deadpan, the midtempo slogs match up all sorts of ways. Both even headed to Boston to get their careers moving.
Was going to say, she could have written "Drive" and now I see she's covered it.
― Citole Country (bendy), Monday, 27 September 2021 16:21 (two years ago) link
Good post. You're on a roll, bendy.
― He POLLS So Much About These Zings (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 September 2021 18:03 (two years ago) link
the anti-Elvis
Was she uncomfortable, ill-at-ease or just "too normal"? Are there any other artists you'd say the same about?
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 27 September 2021 18:19 (two years ago) link
Michael J. Fox got no Elvis in him
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 27 September 2021 18:28 (two years ago) link
And yet, she's always hanging with a bunch of Cali comedians, in videos, on stage, etc., so maybe she just likes playing the straight man?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 September 2021 18:36 (two years ago) link
Oh definitely. The most animated she gets is in those pre-recorded comedy videos. I'm totally fine with this though, she's always been "cool".
― Nhex, Monday, 27 September 2021 19:14 (two years ago) link
Christgau agrees iirc
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 27 September 2021 19:23 (two years ago) link
idk… i saw her a bunch between idk 2005-2010? and she was always funny and charming and her band was always tight. maybe it helps that a few of those were her christmas show…
― poster of sparks (rogermexico.), Monday, 27 September 2021 20:01 (two years ago) link
I see you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDmoMaj96JI
― calstars, Sunday, 31 October 2021 00:24 (two years ago) link
Apparently was set to tour with Steely Dan this summer but, according to Mann's post/comic strip, dropped because (what's left of) the Dan are/have dicks:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbL2UESJxhD/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=a0e9598f-8b30-41d9-9d67-ff12c7ad0073
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 March 2022 01:34 (two years ago) link
I'll always love this quote:
I’ve listened to Can’t Buy a Thrill a thousand times. It’s just a perfect record. Steely Dan have very complicated chord changes, it’s very modal. They also have a really harmonic sensibility that’s not like anybody else’s. The music breaks for long, long solos—and I hate jamming, I hate solos. But I guess making people play 20 solos and then putting them together really pays off, because all of them feel like melodic parts of the song. And there’s something to their music where you can tell that those guys are assholes, but but they also sound like they fucked up in a way that feels familiar.
― Nhex, Thursday, 17 March 2022 06:01 (two years ago) link
All is forgiven if Donald just tells me what Brooklyn is about. https://t.co/5zUTzIhIjt— Aimee Mann (@aimeemann) March 17, 2022
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 March 2022 10:27 (two years ago) link
Maybe she was dropped from the tour after Steely Dan heard that she referred to them as assholes
― Josefa, Thursday, 17 March 2022 13:07 (two years ago) link
Did she?
― Mardi Gras Mambo Sun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 March 2022 13:11 (two years ago) link
It's two quotes up, part of a Pitchfork interview
― Josefa, Thursday, 17 March 2022 13:14 (two years ago) link
Clicked through the tweet to Pitchfork and also to the instagram but didn't quite see the quote in question.
― Mardi Gras Mambo Sun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 March 2022 13:53 (two years ago) link
The "asshole" quote is under the Steely Dan entry in the Pitchfork interview above the tweet. The "female singer-songwriter" quote is from the comic.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 March 2022 13:55 (two years ago) link
Do Steely Dan not know they're assholes?
― Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Thursday, 17 March 2022 15:09 (two years ago) link
Oh, sorry! It was hiding there in plain sight, I can’t read this morning, too much time on ILX, you know the drill.
― Mardi Gras Mambo Sun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 March 2022 15:21 (two years ago) link
They don't give a fuck about anybody else.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 March 2022 15:40 (two years ago) link
That may be the nicest way to call somebody an asshole that I have ever seen.
― henry s, Thursday, 17 March 2022 15:47 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc2iLAubras
― Mardi Gras Mambo Sun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 March 2022 16:26 (two years ago) link
Response by Fagan (via a statement "shared with Pitchfork"):
Well, first of all, the idea that I would make any decision based on the gender of a performer is ridiculous. That’s something that would never even occur to me.There was a communication problem on our end. I was misinformed as to how firm the commitment was to any particular opening act. And, although I have the greatest respect for Aimee as a writer and performer, I thought it might not be the best matchup in terms of musical style.But I can’t pass the buck. I’ll take the blame for the screwup. I apologize for any distress this has caused Aimee and her fans.
There was a communication problem on our end. I was misinformed as to how firm the commitment was to any particular opening act. And, although I have the greatest respect for Aimee as a writer and performer, I thought it might not be the best matchup in terms of musical style.
But I can’t pass the buck. I’ll take the blame for the screwup. I apologize for any distress this has caused Aimee and her fans.
― Please don’t take / My time change away (morrisp), Thursday, 17 March 2022 19:22 (two years ago) link
Some of his best wives are female singer-songwriters.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 17 March 2022 19:28 (two years ago) link
The upside to this is that she can now do her own tour and people won't be forced to listen to Steely Dan in order to enjoy her performance.
― Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Thursday, 17 March 2022 19:37 (two years ago) link
― Mardi Gras Mambo Sun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 March 2022 19:47 (two years ago) link