I figured out what Indiana reminds me of - The Starting Line's album, Based On A True Story. Particularly, it reminds me of the songs "Making Love to the Camera" and "Bedroom Talk." The way the singers use their voices - the high pitch to accentuate their points:
"I've got *big, big* plans. And *they've got* to mean something more *than just once.*" - "Bedroom Talk"
"*She* began to die, *Indiana,* it's not right." - "Indiana"
Obviously the girls (Meg & Dia) sustain the emphasis longer, and play with it more (the second "I can do whatever I want like you," the "you" is sang with much more implied expression that The Starting Line manage.) And both The Starting Line and M&D tend to speak their verses in contrast to the chorus (Like "so pale and white/determined and lost and ruined" in "Indiana")
I don't want to use the "emo" word, but partially what's going on is that bands like The Starting Line (emo) and Meg & Dia (teen-pop) are doing very similar things.
The other reason I like this comparison so much is that "Bedroom Talk" is a potentially very messy song. When it was released, I remember there was some discussion about its implications of rape. Unlike "Monster", which I contend is a dark song about dark topics, "Bedroom Talk" has the subversive up-beatVdarklyrics.
― Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Thursday, 10 August 2006 03:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 06:19 (seventeen years ago) link
Just in case some of you don't look at the larger board, you should take a look at this thread. Brief summary so far: ilX is probably moving to a new server in the next two or three weeks, though possibly will stay where it is. Will probably keep the same format. Unclear if current threads (like this one) will be able to keep going or will be archived - in which case we can simply start a new one. Worst scenario would be that ilX dies altogether, in which case we could find somewhere else to reinvent this thread (though finding a place with single pages and no subthreads - which is one thing that makes ilX so much better than anywhere else - may be a problem). Anyway, just posting this so we can keep our eye on that thread and on developments.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 06:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:55 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:30 (seventeen years ago) link
Just powerful enough to read the promo sheet.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― nameom (nameom), Friday, 11 August 2006 00:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Friday, 11 August 2006 00:37 (seventeen years ago) link
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― alext (alext), Friday, 11 August 2006 06:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 11 August 2006 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― nameom (nameom), Friday, 11 August 2006 23:59 (seventeen years ago) link
And here's another performance of the same song, the sound clearer but thinner, the camera giving you a great view of her.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 15 August 2006 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.pandora.com/?sc=sh123684599888936884
(Brie Larsen just segued into the Flower Kings, who seem to be singing about "looking for god's grace among cosmic dinosaurs" or something, so maybe they're Christian rock. Also, I don't think I like them; I'll probably nix them. But first I'll give 'em a chance.)
(Yeah, definitely Christians: "The untold Genesis of man," wow. Song just ended, and I'm still not sure how much I liked it. There was something psychedelic about it which I didn't mind. Now Christy Carlson Romano doing "Bounce," which I liked a lot right away.)
― xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 15 August 2006 23:46 (seventeen years ago) link
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― xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 15 August 2006 23:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
They also seem to have every weirdo Disney one-off ever, people like Analiese Vanderpol and Zetta Bytes and Christy Carlson Romano (most of her stuff I've heard is great). They added better station editing options for fine tuning private stations, very cool.
Jessica Poptastic has a nice station, too, Poptastic Radio.
― nameom (nameom), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 01:33 (seventeen years ago) link
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― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link
i love ashlee's voice when she has a song to match it - a big, hooky, pop/rock monster along the lines of 'la la' and 'boyfriend' which she can pretty much shout over. i don't think her vocal limitations are what make the album fail. but the songs! 'boyfriend' and 'LOVE' apart (and the latter...is actually awful, i think, clumsy and indecisive), there are no hooks. i have listened and listened to this album and i can't remember any melody or lyric or anything beyond this interminable sludge of guitars, over and over again (wtf are people ON about re stylistic variation) and ashlee's hoarse, slightly breathless voice left stranded above it all like a beached whale.
― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link
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― anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link
The girls are all named (there are 9 of them) and they all get nicknames in the form of "___ Girl" like "Party Girl" and "All-Star Girl." Also, they get individual bios and the first thing is "Always Says" producing such answers as "Snap!" and "Guess what?" and "Whatever..." and "Oh yeah!" which I hope the girls will work on before they have to commit to a yearbook quote, because quite frankly those are super-indistinctive.
― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 20:57 (seventeen years ago) link
This may be one of our few major areas of disagreement!
I cannot see how stuff like "Coming Back For More", "Dancing Alone", "Burning Up", "I Am Me", "Eyes Wide Open" and "Kicking & Screaming" could be described as an "interminable sludge of guitars" with no hooks!
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 17 August 2006 01:12 (seventeen years ago) link
much much better - PARIS HILTON album. i will start a thread i think.
― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:05 (seventeen years ago) link
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― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 August 2006 09:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 17 August 2006 09:41 (seventeen years ago) link
i have listened to this album LOADS in an effort to get it, it's worrying me as well, this is why i'm going on about it. but it's just so unremittingly uncatchy, it goes in one ear and out the other.
maybe if i skipped 'boyfriend' before listening to the rest.
― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 August 2006 09:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 August 2006 09:47 (seventeen years ago) link
[Sorry if this is a double-post; I'm getting poxy fuled all over the place]
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link
Radio Disney is hardly the only word in teenpop; MTV-TRL is another concentration of teenpower, one that isn't committed to pushing Disney product (though for all I know they have the same parent corporation at this point). Cheyenne Kimball - with an MTV reality show - is hanging on at 35 in mainstream pop airplay with 1,248 spins, while Hannah Montana is getting a big fat zero. And JoJo's "Too Little Too Late" is getting 3,612 spins and rising on mainstream pop, while not showing in the Disney Top 50.
By the way, do any of you know what Nickelodeon is doing to promote music, and to promote itself among teenpop fans? I don't have a TV and don't know if Nickelodeon has a musical impact or not.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:16 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm surprised Hilary's old stuff isn't showing higher, or Avril's. My guess is that you find them around 3 or 4 plays along with "I Got You" and "Get Ready For This" and "Jumpin Jumpin" and "Who Let the Dogs Out." I wonder if the new Hilary will get much Disney play, given that it's going for a glossy Kylie Minogue Eurodisco sound. And I'll bet that "London Bridge" is getting lotsa lotsa lotsa kid play but that Radio Disney won't touch it.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link
That's because Jojo's new single just got added into rotation this week. Expect it to make a showing starting next week when the new top 30 comes out (although the positive response wasn't overwhelming for adding "Too Late," something like 73%).
what Nickelodeon is doing to promote music
The only Nick breakthrough is Emma Roberts, who was handled by one of the major labels with no affiliation w/ Nickelodeon specifically. IIRC Nick is part of Viacom, so I imagine the parent company is more interested in what's going on over at TRL, but they could make a little niche for themselves if they really wanted to, they have Jamie Lynn Spears, too (who as far as I know doesn't have any music available outside the theme song to her show, written by Britney!). Disney occasionally gives slight nods to Nick types but obviously their interest is in promoting their own artists...including Jordan Pruitt who I think is on Hollywood.
Avril might finally be burned out after god knows how long of "Sk8er Boi" (and nothing else) in the top 30.
Also re: the posted chart, keep an eye out for "I Got Nerve" by Hannah, it's probably her best. Doesn't seem to have much hope of crossing over...WBS, you might like "Nerve" better than theme songish "Best of Both Worlds"...it's streaming over at the Angry Samoans Myspace after Circle Jerks - "Red Tape"
It would be so great for the new Hilary to make it on RD, and I'm sure they'll do everything in their power to get it on the charts since it's still in house. But I'm pretty sure kids aren't going to be voting for it in "Wake Up"/"Beat of My Heart" numbers (I do expect it to do pretty well on TRL, though, maybe her stepping stone away from Disney?)
― nameom (nameom), Thursday, 17 August 2006 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― nameom (nameom), Thursday, 17 August 2006 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link
On Paris Hilton: I've only scanned the album, but I'm incredibly disappointed. People were telling me that the album was actually quite good - but even Storch's (very talented) production can't stop her vocals from grating on me. I can bear to listen to "Stars are Blind," but that's the exception. In general, she drones.
Christina on the other hand, is a delight. I'll probably be listening to the album in the weeks to come - because that brassy, big-band sound she's got is fabulous.
― Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Thursday, 17 August 2006 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4sJMcgeDe0
You be the judge!(If it's not old already)
― Torgeir Hansen (MRZBW), Friday, 18 August 2006 01:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 18 August 2006 03:00 (seventeen years ago) link