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heh, well anyone who knows me well enough and knows what I do as far as "DJing" goes knows that this is an issue I contend with all the time... although I haven't DJed nearly to the extent that Dan has.. (though i HAVE been to a Dan DJ night, and I can vouch for it being anything BUT a "Kill Whitie" type thing at all)

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

(although now that i hear about "Kill Jewie"!... :-o )

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm wondering if this is some straw man effort on the part of the Washington Post. Do lots of people actually show up? It looks to me like the people in that photo are the same as his myspace friends!

mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

we killed the white people after you left.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link

pumpster = google-proof

too late now...

pappawheelie II, Friday, 26 August 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Board regulars Dan, Rob, and I DJ every Firday and Saturday in Williamsburg (Capone's).

Really? Where is Capone's?

poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyone remember the SNL skit in the early 80's where a reggae band was hired to play a white corporate affair and the band played a song called "Kill All the White People"?

pappawheelie II, Friday, 26 August 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

only 17 mentions of "pumpsta" in this thread!

(now 18)

deej.., Friday, 26 August 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.alldisco.net

and while on the self-promo tip-

http://igetrvng.com/shop_mx4.html

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link

nyu kid late to the party again shocker!

JOKES

xpost YES PAPPAWHEELIE WE HAVE ALL SEEN THE BEST OF EDDIE MURPHY HENCE "CILL MY LANDLORD" UPTHREAD.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link

christ, i knew that plenty of michigan people moved to brooklyn after they graduated but this is fucking ridiculous.

Surely, it's after the MI suburb and not the U.S. alliance with England/Wales/N. Ireland at all.

(Actually, I don't know! But just sayin' that "Royal Oak" seems to have an older legacy than the name of a city in Michigan, I'd gather.)

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

He came to see himself as part of post-racial Generation Y, for whom whiteness was an outmoded, oppressive idea.

More like Generation Y, who has been told for their entire childhood that belonging to a culture is a cool thing and they went crazy when they reached a certain age and realized that they're totally without ethnicity and think they're marooned. Your culture is whatever you want. You don't have to act ridiculous if you like something, nobody's going to beat you down for "appropriating" anything if you actually like something.

mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

GENERATION L! THEY'RE ALL LISA SUCKDOG FANS!

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

GENERATION LYDIA LUNCH!

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Like I said: DA PUMPSTA

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Really? Where is Capone's?

If Dan's link to alldisco.net didn't answer it clearly enough, Capone's is one of the free pizza places bars in williamsburg.

221 n 9th
btwn roebling & driggs

pappawheelie II, Friday, 26 August 2005 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link

221 n 9th
btwn roebling & driggs

Pumpsta Fans Shed Irony - Flock To Capone's In Wool Tunics

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan: A bunch of kids, white or otherwise dancing to hip-hop isn't inherently evil, but sometimes something happens to the vibe where it suddenly makes my white-liberal-guilt ass feel pretty uncomfortable. Obviously Hollertronix flirt with that line, and the Pumpster goes way beyond it.

I won't comment on a Hollertronix/Diplo night as I've never seen either, which is why I asked the question way upthread. (yeah, I saw Diplo "perform" behind M.I.A. live, but that's a whole other kettle there... please, no sex jokes. I'm holy)...

But, I think this all just links backs to arguments involving white kids dancing to music played by white performers/DJs where the music has roots in black culture; and whether there's concerted minstrelsy going on for any given event that fits these parameters.. and the answer usually is: "it depends, but it's usually white kids who just like this type of stuff, and yeah maybe some of the people there feel more comfortable than attending a mostly black attended event of similar music, when they shouldn't HAVE to feel uncomfortable, but this fact can't be used to infer a general stereotype of racism amongst all the white attendees, or maybe it can, but it CAN't. OH YES IT CAN! blah blah blah fight fight fight..."

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

or in other words, half of ILM discussions in 2002 and 2003

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

only 17 mentions of "pumpsta" in this thread!

(now 18)


Wait, do you mean DJ Pumpsta? The guy who used to DJ a krautrock party wearing nothing but a leather military cap and jackboots?

deedee, Friday, 26 August 2005 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

well, the other side of this...i'm not entirely convinced the pumpsta thing is entirely such a bad thing. i think hip-hop definitely now caters to and is understanding of folks partaking in this way--confusing booty-shaking with equalling race/entire culture...it seems sorta inevitable when the divide is so large. even beyond the money, the artists find the appreciation valid. may be an awkward first step to bridging. maybe white people are more uncomfortable with it...don't know. seems there are many levels to guilt.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

the bucket of chicken thing still is part of this equation...

pappawheelie II, Friday, 26 August 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

The whole party sounds like this themed Columbia kids house party that my friend dragged me to. It was "Ghetto Fabulous" which apparently means a lot of track suits, headbands, and wife beaters. Some chick turned to me and was like "what do you think about this outfit? Authentic, right?"

And I beat her to death.

Candicissima (candicissima), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay...I didn't. But, I was thinking about it hard.

Candicissima (candicissima), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

How the word "wanksta" has not yet come up on this thread is a modern mystery to me.

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

And I beat her to death.

No jury would convict you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Candicissima you rule. (aww you shouldnt have backpedalled. I wouldnt hate)

At my school it was a 'dress like a townie' party where everyone was supposed to 'wear' mullets and wife-beaters. A friend of mine wrote an editorial about how it was incredibly offensive. They called him an 'elitist' for not 'getting' the joke.

deej.., Friday, 26 August 2005 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I LIKE WILLIAMSBURG.

And it's a lot better than the fucking New York Press.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"Some chick turned to me and was like "what do you think about this outfit? Authentic, right?" "

jesus fucking christ. BEATDOWN REQUIRED.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

nyu kid late to the party again shocker!

hehe.. Williamsburg's too cool for me. the only time i go is to visit BAM or my friends at Pratt. I'll check out Capone's, though. I get back to nyc in two weeks.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

the only time i go TO BROOKLYN is to visit..

poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

And it's a lot better than the fucking New York Press.

New York press. Lower case 'p', big chief.

As for the NYP, they've got some of the best snarkiness out there. Paper's going down the tubes financially, but oh well.

Williamsburg... still a blight on Brooklyn.

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Bam lives in the Wims?

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Bam lives in the Wims?

Naw, that's Ft. Greene near downtown Brooklyn.

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, he meant only time he goes to Brooklyn, not Wmsburg.

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:05 (eighteen years ago) link

the only time i go is to visit BAM or my friends at Pratt

STAY OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

nyp has been going down the tubes since day 1, right?

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

i think dana dane was from fort greene

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

dj premier lived on fulton. odb was from ft. greene. erykah badu and rosie perez live there.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

its hard to imagine being "ground" on by someone holding fried chicken. i've never gone that hard-core with anyone.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

nyp has been going down the tubes since day 1, right?

Not sure. I know the editor resigned in March rather than be suspended by the publisher.

And their managing editor left in 1998 -- he's now the Times' culture editor.

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

as long as i can remember nyp has been in "trouble," before '98 even.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

its hard to imagine being "ground" on by someone holding fried chicken. i've never gone that hard-core with anyone.

http://www.handguncontrolinc.org/chicken_mcnoggin.jpg

"YOU THINK LIFE IS TOUGH!"

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I still don't understand how getting the irony of your posturing suddenly makes it ok to throw down the old "chicken and watermelon" stereotypes.

This is a party for idiots thrown by idiots that unfortunately reflects poorly on the non-idiot caucasian gentrifiers of Williamsburg. And of course the idiot press goes and gives them a story, and then all of us idiots give it even more attention by commenting to death on it.

I wish it wasn't Friday and I wish I liked my job more- I wouldn't have bothered....

jsoulja (jsoulja), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

tho i did see kool keith throw out plastic baggies of chicken and hi-c...

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

he's talking about the Brooklyn Academy of Music, which is in Fort Greene and is the best place to see movies in ny, followed by the AMMI and finally the Walter Reade.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Funny how people move to Brooklyn from out of state and then complain how it's going down the tubes, like we actually invited them to come here.

John Davis, Friday, 26 August 2005 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

"we" hahahaha are you an injun??!???!

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

These "parties" are obviously an example of stupidity in the extreme. Otherwise, regarding Williamsburg, I don't see what's so offensive to everyone about a bunch of young people who dress in a somewhat similar style. It's a fun neighborhood with a lot to do. If you feel "not cool enough" then maybe you need to work on your self-esteem.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Spring Break Williamsburg '06!!!

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I live in Jersey City. Bars close early, there aren't a lot of people on the streets at night, there are no book or record stores, good places to eat are few.

Yeah, ok, it gets a little silly when all of Bedford Avenue is jammed with 20-something hipsters, but so what. I have a good time when I go there.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link


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