-- Nowell (nowellkolin...), August 25th, 2004 11:36 PM.
Are you SURE you're a teenager?
― Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link
I am very sure that I am a teenager. Why? I sound like a little kid, right?
― Nowell, Wednesday, 25 August 2004 22:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nowell, Wednesday, 25 August 2004 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 23:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nowell, Wednesday, 25 August 2004 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link
x-post: I don't know what that means, but that's okay.
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nowell, Wednesday, 25 August 2004 23:32 (nineteen years ago) link
Also the singer Fefe Dobson(whatever you may think of her music)doesn't sound stereotypically "black" she is also biracial.Polystyrene from X-Ray Spex.And Phil Lynott from Thin Lizzy(who counted Elvis and Irish folk tunes among his influences).I'm sure there are tons more.
― A pair of brown eyes, Thursday, 26 August 2004 00:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― A pair of brown eyes, Thursday, 26 August 2004 00:56 (nineteen years ago) link
its true about non music obsessesives having very eclectic taste, without being self conscious about it.
is this thread going to turn into a 'name black artists that dont do 'typical' black music' thing?
― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Thursday, 26 August 2004 09:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 26 August 2004 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nowell, Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link
I talk up the Roots n' Blues box set every chance I get, and I love the choice bluegrass/hillbilly cuts they have on there(black man here), at least the ones that aren't talking about darkies and pickaninnies and shit. Nothing I can do about the generalizing around here, but at least know that there's ALWAYS some exceptions floating around bud.Carry on. There's always a lot to glean from the kind of intraracial discussions on race that one finds online.
― tremendoid, Thursday, 26 August 2004 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link
TOM TERRELL: They weren't the first progressive rock band. But thanks to the 1972 single "Roundabout," they were the first to conquer America's pop mainstream.
I thought Yes's classical rock fusion was as white as pop music could get, until my Jersey homeys, Travis and Johnny, turned me on to "I've Seen All Good People," with its jazz, swingin', funky soul groove.
Back in the '70s, a whole lot of Black college students were into Yes. As a matter of fact, every time Yes came to Philly, me, Travis, Johnny, and 40 other brothers and sisters would buy two rows on the floor. And when Yes played our song, "Heart of the Sunrise," we'd be high-fivin', Black-power salutin', and air-guitarin' until it was over.
Forget Pink Floyd. Forget Genesis. The new triple CD set, "The Ultimate Yes 35th Anniversary Collection" proves beyond a doubt that Yes was... I mean, is... the funkiest, jazziest, deepest... the blackest U.K. prog rock band ever. Listen to "Owner of a Lonely Heart," and you'll understand why Sherman "George Jefferson" Hemsley, House Music Godfather Marshall Jefferson, and legions of Black fans have nothing but love for Yes.
No question. Thirty-five years after they began, Yes is still giving up the funk!
This was a short commentary on NPR's "All Things Considered" a few weeks ago. The link: http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1920058
― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Friday, 27 August 2004 00:10 (nineteen years ago) link
This Welsh/biracial girl lived for early American and British folk music a few year back.I was as much an folky nerd as any middle aged white guy(scary!).Good on yer Nowell this thread has been very interesting!.
― A pair ofbrown eyes, Friday, 27 August 2004 02:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Friday, 27 August 2004 09:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― mei (mei), Friday, 27 August 2004 10:11 (nineteen years ago) link
i think the reason he gets played more on rock radio, gets coverage in rock magazines, etc, is pretty obvious, and also why anticon stuff gets into all the rock mags - its a mixture of having 'rock mag' press contacts and the fact that, becuz 'Nem and the majority of the anticon folks is white, they're a lot less threatening to mags with mainly-white readerships, who think (often correctly) that a mag with a black artist on the cover sold to a mainly white audience will sell less copies than a mag with a white artist on the cover sold to that audience. its a mixture of the insidious racism within the editorial departments, and the more-overt racism displayed by a section of the readership. and in some ways, those editorial departments are only reflecting the racial prejudices of their readership, and are in some ways confirming them, and in some ways helping to foster them and continue their influence.
i'm writing as someone who would love to write about MF Doom in a metal mag, because his whole schtick would work, and someone who got the NMS album reviewed in Kerrang! because, I argued, the sentiment behind the album could be defined as 'punk', and that it was a great enough album to surpass its genred delineations. of course, you could argue that Def Jux is just as 'white' in its appeal as Eminem or Anticon, though i'd argue sonically these records appeal to most rock-listeners demands of hip hop, ie it be noisy and dissonant and fucked up, and also their fuck-you anti-coporate ethos (no matter how bogus or inneffectual you may deem it) also fits rock'n'roll's parameters.
a big reason why anticon appears so often in metal mags in the UK, however, is that they share PR with a lot of punk/rock/underground bands, who are getting the records to these writers. they just aren't being sent rap records, because rap prs assume they either won't like 'em or won't be able to get 'em press. so it becomes something of a vicious circle.
― stevie (stevie), Friday, 27 August 2004 10:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Friday, 27 August 2004 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― stevie (stevie), Friday, 27 August 2004 11:06 (nineteen years ago) link
someone should submit/paste that TVOTR interview that was in kings magazine to this thread. a few people have mentioned it on ilx - it talks quite a bit about racial issues in music.
i find it funny that rap is the only form of current black music being brought up here. i would love to see someone like van hunt with his why-isnt-this-top-10-single 'dust' get more coverage in the music press at large.
― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Friday, 27 August 2004 11:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Friday, 27 August 2004 11:10 (nineteen years ago) link
i'd disagree with regard to Mojo - I've got some pretty obscure records reviewed there (Madvillain, Diplo, NMS, etc) and Angus Batey's hip-hop coverage is very broad and inclusive.
x-post, they were told by the editors on the mag, stevie. i suppose the freelancer thing is right, but i suppose that depends if they have all the freelancer contacts at hand.
well, that's what i was saying - if the freelancers aren't being sent the CDs in the first place, they won't be pitching them for reviews.
― stevie (stevie), Friday, 27 August 2004 11:13 (nineteen years ago) link
but youre right, yeah, they have reviewed some weird stuff. i know they got some complaints though for doing more hip hop coverage than the readership appreciated which is why they were *apparently* cutting back.
― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Friday, 27 August 2004 11:16 (nineteen years ago) link
Well whadayaknow!.Yeah mei I'm from South Wales,a little valley town a couple of miles from Cardiff.Whereabouts are you?.
― A pair of brown eyes, Friday, 27 August 2004 12:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― splooge (thesplooge), Friday, 27 August 2004 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 27 August 2004 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 27 August 2004 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Friday, 27 August 2004 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link
"The American white man and the American negro is the most advanced two figures on earth. Nobody outdo us--they can't whup us. Nobody. Just the works of the lord. See, suppose I'd been in Africa sittin' up in the banana tree with nothin' but that diaper on eatin' banana, hollerin' boola boola...I'm glad they brought me here, it helped."
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nowell, Friday, 27 August 2004 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nowell, Friday, 27 August 2004 20:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nowell, Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20220627-the-uss-first-interracial-love-song
in the 1960s interracial duets were almost unheard of. Diane Bernard explores the forgotten story of Storybook Children, the taboo-busting song that became a hit.
Billy Vera and Judy Clay
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 11:59 (one year ago) link
oh right, I just know it as one of the songs I tend not to listen to on the Nancy & Lee lp.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 12:05 (one year ago) link
Bunky & Jake were female-male interracial folk-rockers, mainly known to me re 60s-70s work, but this says they released a kiddie album in '93. Jake was also in the Magicians with Gary Bonner and Alan Gordon, whose songs were hits for the Turtles, and I also have an album by his band Jake and the Family Jewels, The Bog Moose Calls His Baby Sweet Lorraine, kind of like a more laidback Dan Hicks and His Hot Licks. They must have gotten some pushback for being an interracial duo, but also their musical interests were pretty wide-ranging for a duo, not some skills-proud combo, hellbent on being eclectic, which was a trend of sorts (re Beatles, Byrds etc.). And Jake is quoted here as saying one wide-ranging album project never did cohere enough to finish (or get released anyway). Interesting musical people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunky_and_Jake
― dow, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:43 (one year ago) link
The BIG Moose, sorry!
― dow, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:44 (one year ago) link
I have a Magicians cd cos I liked the song on Nuggets. Invitation to Cry. Not played it in years though.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:46 (one year ago) link
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/bunky-jake-ex-fug-and-folkie-form-blues-rock-combo-191095/
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:03 (one year ago) link
Forgot Jake was a Fug too! He did get around. Another folk etc. interracial couple recording back then: Hedge & Donna, who got to make more albums than Bunky & Jake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedge_and_Donna
― dow, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:25 (one year ago) link
John Renbourn and Dorris Henderson recorded 2 great lps together. Not sure if they were connected on any other level.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:33 (one year ago) link
The Bog Moose would be a great name for a Canadian sludge metal band.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 19:28 (one year ago) link
The initial release of this milestone was a little earlier than xpost "Storybook Children""
At the age of 14, Ian wrote and recorded her first hit single, "Society's Child (Baby I've Been Thinking)", about an interracial romance forbidden by a girl's mother and frowned upon by her peers and teachers. Produced by George "Shadow" Morton and released three times from 1965 to 1967, "Society's Child" became a national hit upon its third release after Leonard Bernstein featured it in a late-April 1967 CBS TV special titled Inside Pop: The Rock Revolution.[8]The song's theme of interracial relationships was considered taboo by some radio stations, who withdrew or banned it from their playlists accordingly. In her 2008 autobiography Society's Child, Ian recalls receiving hate mail and death threats as a response to the song and mentions that a radio station in Atlanta that played it was burned down.[citation needed] In July 1967, "Society's Child" reached no. 14 on the Billboard Hot 100. The single sold 600,000 copies and the album sold 350,000 copies.[7]At the age of 16, Ian met comedian Bill Cosby backstage at a Smothers Brothers show where she was promoting "Society's Child". Since she was underage, she was accompanied by a chaperone while touring. After her set, Ian had been sleeping with her head on the lap of her chaperone (an older female family friend). According to Ian in a 2015 interview, she was told by her then manager that Cosby had interpreted their interaction as "lesbian" and as a result "had made it his business" to warn other television shows that Ian wasn't "suitable family entertainment" and "shouldn't be on television" because of her sexuality, thus attempting to blacklist her.[9][10][11] Although Ian would later come out, she states that at the time of the encounter with Cosby she had only been kissed once, by a boy she had a crush on, in broad daylight at summer camp.[12]Ian relates on her website that, although "Society's Child" was originally intended for Atlantic Records and the label paid for her recording session, Atlantic subsequently returned the master to her and quietly refused to release it.[13] Ian relates that years later, Atlantic's president at the time, Jerry Wexler, publicly apologized to her for this. The single and Ian's 1967 debut album (which reached no. 29 on the charts) were finally released on Verve Forecast. In 2001, "Society's Child" was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame, which honors recordings considered timeless and important to music history. Her first four albums were released on a double CD entitled Society's Child: The Verve Recordings in 1995
The song's theme of interracial relationships was considered taboo by some radio stations, who withdrew or banned it from their playlists accordingly. In her 2008 autobiography Society's Child, Ian recalls receiving hate mail and death threats as a response to the song and mentions that a radio station in Atlanta that played it was burned down.[citation needed] In July 1967, "Society's Child" reached no. 14 on the Billboard Hot 100. The single sold 600,000 copies and the album sold 350,000 copies.[7]
At the age of 16, Ian met comedian Bill Cosby backstage at a Smothers Brothers show where she was promoting "Society's Child". Since she was underage, she was accompanied by a chaperone while touring. After her set, Ian had been sleeping with her head on the lap of her chaperone (an older female family friend). According to Ian in a 2015 interview, she was told by her then manager that Cosby had interpreted their interaction as "lesbian" and as a result "had made it his business" to warn other television shows that Ian wasn't "suitable family entertainment" and "shouldn't be on television" because of her sexuality, thus attempting to blacklist her.[9][10][11] Although Ian would later come out, she states that at the time of the encounter with Cosby she had only been kissed once, by a boy she had a crush on, in broad daylight at summer camp.[12]
Ian relates on her website that, although "Society's Child" was originally intended for Atlantic Records and the label paid for her recording session, Atlantic subsequently returned the master to her and quietly refused to release it.[13] Ian relates that years later, Atlantic's president at the time, Jerry Wexler, publicly apologized to her for this. The single and Ian's 1967 debut album (which reached no. 29 on the charts) were finally released on Verve Forecast. In 2001, "Society's Child" was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame, which honors recordings considered timeless and important to music history. Her first four albums were released on a double CD entitled Society's Child: The Verve Recordings in 1995
(Her other big hit meant a lot to many as well, and that kind cruelty was an unusual topic then, seems like, certainly in pop hits:
"Society's Child" stigmatized Ian as a one-hit wonder until her most successful US single, "At Seventeen", was released in 1975. "At Seventeen" is a bittersweet commentary on adolescent cruelty, the illusion of popularity and teenage angst, from the perspective of a narrator looking back on her earlier experience. The song was a major hit as it charted at no. 3 on the Billboard Hot 100, hit number one on the Adult Contemporary chart and won the 1976 Grammy Award for Best Pop Vocal Performance - Female, beating out Linda Ronstadt, Olivia Newton-John and Helen Reddy.
― dow, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:46 (one year ago) link
Oops--both of those are from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janis_Ian
― dow, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:48 (one year ago) link
Man, Cosby never runs out of ways to disappoint...
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:58 (one year ago) link