The thing they succumb to is really prevalent now -- being eclectic for eclecticism's sake. I don't need you to mix from a 135 bpm Cure song into a 68 bpm Southern hip-hop song. The beats might match, but you're fucking up the whole feel of my dancing.
As for their relation to black culture, I haven't thought about it enough to pontificate yet...
― Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link
donut touches on something key here, fact is, I throw a disco party where sometimes I actually play disco. I'd like to think that my goal is to have a mixed crowd, and I find that if you look at the stuff I play, you'd see that it was always quite diverse, that much of the history of disco and hip-hop is way more diverse then most people give it credit for. I'm not free of the problematic use of terms white and black to define nebulously different degrees of "funkiness" in the music, but would like to think that a good disco party doesn't seem so minstrely. I think with hip-hop parties there's a fine line that you can cross and I know it when I see it. A bunch of kids, white or otherwise dancing to hip-hop isn't inherently evil, but sometimes something happens to the vibe where it suddenly makes my white-liberal-guilt ass feel pretty uncomfortable. Obviously Hollertronix flirt with that line, and the Pumpster goes way beyond it.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link
christ, i knew that plenty of michigan people moved to brooklyn after they graduated but this is fucking ridiculous.
― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.., Friday, 26 August 2005 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link
too late now...
― pappawheelie II, Friday, 26 August 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link
Really? Where is Capone's?
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― pappawheelie II, Friday, 26 August 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link
(now 18)
― deej.., Friday, 26 August 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link
and while on the self-promo tip-
http://igetrvng.com/shop_mx4.html
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link
JOKES
xpost YES PAPPAWHEELIE WE HAVE ALL SEEN THE BEST OF EDDIE MURPHY HENCE "CILL MY LANDLORD" UPTHREAD.
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link
Surely, it's after the MI suburb and not the U.S. alliance with England/Wales/N. Ireland at all.
(Actually, I don't know! But just sayin' that "Royal Oak" seems to have an older legacy than the name of a city in Michigan, I'd gather.)
― donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link
More like Generation Y, who has been told for their entire childhood that belonging to a culture is a cool thing and they went crazy when they reached a certain age and realized that they're totally without ethnicity and think they're marooned. Your culture is whatever you want. You don't have to act ridiculous if you like something, nobody's going to beat you down for "appropriating" anything if you actually like something.
― mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link
If Dan's link to alldisco.net didn't answer it clearly enough, Capone's is one of the free pizza places bars in williamsburg.
221 n 9thbtwn roebling & driggs
― pappawheelie II, Friday, 26 August 2005 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link
Pumpsta Fans Shed Irony - Flock To Capone's In Wool Tunics
― Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link
I won't comment on a Hollertronix/Diplo night as I've never seen either, which is why I asked the question way upthread. (yeah, I saw Diplo "perform" behind M.I.A. live, but that's a whole other kettle there... please, no sex jokes. I'm holy)...
But, I think this all just links backs to arguments involving white kids dancing to music played by white performers/DJs where the music has roots in black culture; and whether there's concerted minstrelsy going on for any given event that fits these parameters.. and the answer usually is: "it depends, but it's usually white kids who just like this type of stuff, and yeah maybe some of the people there feel more comfortable than attending a mostly black attended event of similar music, when they shouldn't HAVE to feel uncomfortable, but this fact can't be used to infer a general stereotype of racism amongst all the white attendees, or maybe it can, but it CAN't. OH YES IT CAN! blah blah blah fight fight fight..."
― donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link
Wait, do you mean DJ Pumpsta? The guy who used to DJ a krautrock party wearing nothing but a leather military cap and jackboots?
― deedee, Friday, 26 August 2005 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― pappawheelie II, Friday, 26 August 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link
And I beat her to death.
― Candicissima (candicissima), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Candicissima (candicissima), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link
No jury would convict you.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link
At my school it was a 'dress like a townie' party where everyone was supposed to 'wear' mullets and wife-beaters. A friend of mine wrote an editorial about how it was incredibly offensive. They called him an 'elitist' for not 'getting' the joke.
― deej.., Friday, 26 August 2005 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link
And it's a lot better than the fucking New York Press.
― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link
jesus fucking christ. BEATDOWN REQUIRED.
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link
hehe.. Williamsburg's too cool for me. the only time i go is to visit BAM or my friends at Pratt. I'll check out Capone's, though. I get back to nyc in two weeks.
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 26 August 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link
New York press. Lower case 'p', big chief.
As for the NYP, they've got some of the best snarkiness out there. Paper's going down the tubes financially, but oh well.
Williamsburg... still a blight on Brooklyn.
― Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link
Naw, that's Ft. Greene near downtown Brooklyn.
― Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:05 (eighteen years ago) link
STAY OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
nyp has been going down the tubes since day 1, right?
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link
Not sure. I know the editor resigned in March rather than be suspended by the publisher.
And their managing editor left in 1998 -- he's now the Times' culture editor.
― Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.handguncontrolinc.org/chicken_mcnoggin.jpg
"YOU THINK LIFE IS TOUGH!"
― donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link
This is a party for idiots thrown by idiots that unfortunately reflects poorly on the non-idiot caucasian gentrifiers of Williamsburg. And of course the idiot press goes and gives them a story, and then all of us idiots give it even more attention by commenting to death on it.
I wish it wasn't Friday and I wish I liked my job more- I wouldn't have bothered....
― jsoulja (jsoulja), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― John Davis, Friday, 26 August 2005 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link