She didn't sound over the top on Ys and I doubt she was ever reaching for any 'freak folk' voice. These songs are a little different and I like both a lot.
― abcfsk, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link
She was a bit over the top, as everything was on that album (I really like it by the way!). And those vocal quirks have been associated with freak-folk, and so has she. I like her, so please don't feel defensive.
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Okay, really really loving "Good Intentions Paving Company".
― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link
I do believe this song has signalled the coming of the messiah.
― FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link
by which I mean, it's pretty great.
She sounded great in concert last night. It was really great hearing her voice surrounded by quite a few different instruments and great to see her jump on the piano a couple of times.
― micarl, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
the leaked songs are my least favorite of what I've heard from the new stuff tbh
jim o'rourke produced this, right?
― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link
He did? Again? Oh man.
― ksh, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link
He only mixed Ys. :)
― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link
would ppl who are repping hard for jn's harp chops please list four or five of their other favorite harpists, please
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link
(sorry)
my favorite harpists are Ann Hobson-Pilot and Elizabeth Remy
― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link
alice coltrane
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Little Walter
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link
oops I meant Elisabeth Remy Johnson
gotta get it right if I'm gonna pimp friends
― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
that chick from owt
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
http://tejiendoelmundo.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/harpo_marx.jpg
― brews before HOOS (s1ocki), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.elisabethremy.com/grandjany.mp3
^^^ ftr, also runs marathons
― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 5:05 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
think youre misreading some people? i dont think anyone is repping 4 her chops.
― max, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link
This is what I said upthread:
No one listens to her because she's the Yngwie Malmsteen of the harp -- she's isn't! There's no unnecessary display of technical prowess going on in any of her songs; they're all carefully, and painstakingly, composed pieces, and I personally don't hear anything "extraneous" in any of them.
I'm with max.
― kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
ksh highway what do you think of sonny boy williamson's harp playing
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link
man, i'm impressed by anyone who can play a harmonica. i've tried. shit's hard.
― kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link
(i used Wikipedia, btw.)
― kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link
:-)
zeena parkins, totally blanked on her name for a second there
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Rhodri Davies, Xavier de Maistre, Alice Coltrane, Nicanor Zabaleta
― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link
i've heard her harp playing described as very idiosyncratic and sorta self-taught? it's all plinky plink plink to me.
― velko, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
not sure that anyone was repping that hard for the chops? Besides Evan's "extremely technically proficient", which isn't the most mindblowing of praise. (eesh many xposts, learn to type quickly.)
This song, I realise, kinda reminds me of Song Cycle, a kind of miniature excursion into the relatively-unmined-by-modern-pop-music side of the American vernacular.
― FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link
no, her playing is equally influenced by trad classical training and african kora music
xp
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link
― velko, Tuesday, February 2, 2010 11:14 PM (1 minute ago)
she's classicaly trainwd
― abcfsk, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, like i said, i'm not sure i could tell the diff (i was probably remembering someone describing her vocals lol)
― velko, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link
"classically trained" is kind of like "went to college"
I'm sure she's fine but yeah it was even's "extremely technically proficient" line I was thinkin abt
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link
lol @ the JN opinion police
― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FuYpme0Cm4
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link
I saw her on the YS tour, she played some pretty intricate stuff for 1+ hour and I didn't hear an off note so I'd put her in the beyond proficient category
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link
talks a bit about her harp playing herehttp://www.chickfactor.com/current/cf16_joannanewsom.shtml
― velko, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 5:16 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
thought this was a joke at first
― ethan SPADGETT (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link
hey j0hn when are you gonna finally write a dude-from-the-fiery-furnaces-style rant on JN and her cult
― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link
From that chickfactor interview:
cf: what's your drink of choice?joanna: hmm. if I had my druthers, I would only drink framboise lambic, which is a raspberry-flavored, frothy, garnet belgian ale that tastes like unicorn tears.
This is exactly the shit that kept me from listening to her way back when. I mean, yes my own issue and I did get over it, but ffs... "unicorn tears"???
― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link
thing is, she is kind of OTM
― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link
also framboise sucks
xp haha
― max, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link
that's a random line which in no way communicates with the general landscape of her lyrics. and it has to be said she grew an enormous amount from the debut to ys
― abcfsk, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link
she meant the bloody wounds(tears) a unicorn makes with its horn
― velko, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link
she grew. . . into a unicorn
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link
framboise lambic is nice in small doses but in order to drink a whole lot of it you'd need to be really technically proficient
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link
my respect for joanna newsom has gone way up now that I know she actually says things like "unicorn tears" in interviews
― ethan SPADGETT (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Triple LP btw
― danbunny, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link
(turangalia, the thing is, I'm not a hater of JN - I think she's kinda terrific in some ways, and, besides, I think it's really kinda icky when musicians from the same side of the block snark & spit real-world venom, that is completely not my style - I'm glad as fuck that JN is making records that inspire people to flights of hyperbole, make them cry, etc. poking juvenile fun at ppl whose appreciation for classical music seems to begin and end with classically trained indie rock musicians, OTOH, that is exactly my style iirc, and besides, there are presently-working women songwriters who are considerably better than JN who don't get mileage because they don't give indie dudes a sci-fi boner, and that's the kinda haterade I can really get down with on an ilm thread or two)
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:45 (fourteen years ago) link
So you don't think it's demeaning to lob in an assumption that all of us get turned on and THAT'S why we prefer Joanna Newsom to your own A list of female songwriters..
― abcfsk, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link
yes, I think it's the most demeaning thing ever & you should be outraged
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link