This sounds like the worst thing

And an excellent one at that!

"might as well be" being the very key phrase here. Obviously, Diplo and co. are not admitting people in free if they bring in a bucket of chicken, etc... ok, obvious Pumpsta vs. Holler differences established. (although take away Diplo's weed. You never know! Ok, I kid I kid.)

I don't immediately agree, actually -- mainly because of Susan's cogent points above in the article.. mainly, we're inducing the clientele of any DJ night where a white guy plays bootie music mostly made by black people based on what that girl says about men at the "real" clubs being "too hardcore." for her. Articles rarely care about getting an overall accurate feel of an audience being discussed in an article such as this. The writers want to narrow down the few that have something titillating (no pun intended) to say.

The thing they succumb to is really prevalent now -- being eclectic for eclecticism's sake. I don't need you to mix from a 135 bpm Cure song into a 68 bpm Southern hip-hop song. The beats might match, but you're fucking up the whole feel of my dancing.

As for their relation to black culture, I haven't thought about it enough to pontificate yet...

donut touches on something key here, fact is, I throw a disco party where sometimes I actually play disco. I'd like to think that my goal is to have a mixed crowd, and I find that if you look at the stuff I play, you'd see that it was always quite diverse, that much of the history of disco and hip-hop is way more diverse then most people give it credit for. I'm not free of the problematic use of terms white and black to define nebulously different degrees of "funkiness" in the music, but would like to think that a good disco party doesn't seem so minstrely. I think with hip-hop parties there's a fine line that you can cross and I know it when I see it. A bunch of kids, white or otherwise dancing to hip-hop isn't inherently evil, but sometimes something happens to the vibe where it suddenly makes my white-liberal-guilt ass feel pretty uncomfortable. Obviously Hollertronix flirt with that line, and the Pumpster goes way beyond it.

christ, i knew that plenty of michigan people moved to brooklyn after they graduated but this is fucking ridiculous.

too late now...

Really? Where is Capone's?

(now 18)

and while on the self-promo tip-

http://igetrvng.com/shop_mx4.html

JOKES

xpost YES PAPPAWHEELIE WE HAVE ALL SEEN THE BEST OF EDDIE MURPHY HENCE "CILL MY LANDLORD" UPTHREAD.

Surely, it's after the MI suburb and not the U.S. alliance with England/Wales/N. Ireland at all.

(Actually, I don't know! But just sayin' that "Royal Oak" seems to have an older legacy than the name of a city in Michigan, I'd gather.)

More like Generation Y, who has been told for their entire childhood that belonging to a culture is a cool thing and they went crazy when they reached a certain age and realized that they're totally without ethnicity and think they're marooned. Your culture is whatever you want. You don't have to act ridiculous if you like something, nobody's going to beat you down for "appropriating" anything if you actually like something.

If Dan's link to alldisco.net didn't answer it clearly enough, Capone's is one of the free pizza places bars in williamsburg.

221 n 9th
btwn roebling & driggs

Pumpsta Fans Shed Irony - Flock To Capone's In Wool Tunics

I won't comment on a Hollertronix/Diplo night as I've never seen either, which is why I asked the question way upthread. (yeah, I saw Diplo "perform" behind M.I.A. live, but that's a whole other kettle there... please, no sex jokes. I'm holy)...

But, I think this all just links backs to arguments involving white kids dancing to music played by white performers/DJs where the music has roots in black culture; and whether there's concerted minstrelsy going on for any given event that fits these parameters.. and the answer usually is: "it depends, but it's usually white kids who just like this type of stuff, and yeah maybe some of the people there feel more comfortable than attending a mostly black attended event of similar music, when they shouldn't HAVE to feel uncomfortable, but this fact can't be used to infer a general stereotype of racism amongst all the white attendees, or maybe it can, but it CAN't. OH YES IT CAN! blah blah blah fight fight fight..."

(now 18)

Wait, do you mean DJ Pumpsta? The guy who used to DJ a krautrock party wearing nothing but a leather military cap and jackboots?

And I beat her to death.

No jury would convict you.

At my school it was a 'dress like a townie' party where everyone was supposed to 'wear' mullets and wife-beaters. A friend of mine wrote an editorial about how it was incredibly offensive. They called him an 'elitist' for not 'getting' the joke.

And it's a lot better than the fucking New York Press.

jesus fucking christ. BEATDOWN REQUIRED.

hehe.. Williamsburg's too cool for me. the only time i go is to visit BAM or my friends at Pratt. I'll check out Capone's, though. I get back to nyc in two weeks.

New York press. Lower case 'p', big chief.

As for the NYP, they've got some of the best snarkiness out there. Paper's going down the tubes financially, but oh well.

Williamsburg... still a blight on Brooklyn.

Naw, that's Ft. Greene near downtown Brooklyn.

STAY OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

nyp has been going down the tubes since day 1, right?

Not sure. I know the editor resigned in March rather than be suspended by the publisher.

And their managing editor left in 1998 -- he's now the Times' culture editor.