The Death Of The External Hard Drive

i need to set that up, huh

backing up data is the most important

looks like replacing the time capsule HD is pretty easy JS - http://www.applefritter.com/node/23907

i'm pretty sure you can also just delete some older backups you don't need anymore. it just depends on how often you have the thing set to back up and how much shit you want to save.

i just use my XHD as a media server. don't think i have enough room to cache all my music on my internal HD while i set up time machine :-/

buy another drive doggie

2010 is gonna be the year of cloud computing!!

you guys, all your data hand-wringing will be irrelevant in a year or two.

read the thread title. RIP.

KSH StFU U SOQ NOT 1P ON ILX THINX U R REAL.

thanks dude

Harddrive failures have come close to ruining my work life - so for a heavy duty dose of illusion of control I use a 2TB drive with RAID mirroring as my main backup, a 250GB Maxtor OneTouch drive as my main, dedicated music drive and a portable 300GB WD Passport drive on which I mirror my music drive and documents folders. When this fails, I fail.

And Im not sure what all this talk about the cloud being better than external drives since in the end your data still resides somewhere on harddrives- and Google most likely cares less about your stuff than you do. Granted, their backup is probably better mirrored than most individuals but I cant trust The Man that much.

^^^^

This. That has always been my concern with "cloud" storage.

yeah, also no cloud server has been blessed with 100% uptime yet. let's say you're working on something on a deadline and google docs goes down for a couple of hours...

Jeez, remember the old days when you had the same vinyl records lying around your house for fifteen years? Maybe technology should be more sensitive to the human need to, you know, touch stuff and see stuff.

I mean we are talking about media and music, right? What sort of idiot thinks that music and media storage has no relationship to human psychology and human needs?

Yeah. I'm loading up my external with new Warner Bros. stuff on eMusic as we speak. Don't speak ill of the x-drive.

― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:59 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i just redownload it off emusic if i need it again. it lets you download the same record a billion times if you need it. the future will probaby be more like this

I mean once internet connections get fast enough, i'm sure online storage will replace all this dumb crap

I was kidding about this being the year of cloud computing. It's definitely not there yet.

i just redownload it off emusic if i need it again. it lets you download the same record a billion times if you need it. the future will probaby be more like this

― touch me i'm acoleuthic (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:56 AM (2 minutes ago)

Bought a couple records in FLAC from Boomkat, and I can download the files as many times as I need to. Amazon MP3 and iTunes do not let you do this, which is kind of dumb.

i mean, my friend says "don't fall in love with the format" which to be basically means who knows if we'll be listening to MP3s at all in 10 years. What if there's some new digital way to hear music faster and in better fidelity. I'd feel like a chump for all those sleepless nights making sure my D.R.I. and my Dri were in different folders

if u think cloud computing is a common goal
it goes to show how little u know

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> Bought a couple records in FLAC from Boomkat, and I can download the files as many times as I need to.

i'm not sure this is true - some things i bought early last year now have no download button, just stars to let me rate them

i mean, my friend says "don't fall in love with the format" which to be basically means who knows if we'll be listening to MP3s at all in 10 years

Oh, yeah. When I first heard music via a Walkman, I thought "Ohhh, nothing can ever get better than this!" Goes to show how little I know.

xpost

I probably bought my stuff four or five months ago, and I just logged in and still have download buttons next to all of the four records. I clicked on one of them and it started to downloaded.

yeah but yr a sock

;)

Oh, yeah. When I first heard music via a Walkman, I thought "Ohhh, nothing can ever get better than this!" Goes to show how little I know.

You were still right in the key sense, though, ie self-contained listening wherever you go.

i still remember the first time i heard a walkman, it was amazing

:-)

Yeah, Ned's right. I hadn't thought of it that way. It's storage systems have changed dramatically.

on those whole I think I will be glad not to worry about whether my tags are right or whether I've backed up recently but I gotta admit that it's fun to geek out over these things too.

It is fun! And gives one a measure of control over how something as personal as your music library is organized.

As for HDs vs the cloud - I'm waiting for the (complete, not fragmented) Celestial Jukebox before I ditch my drives.

I am really, really enjoying being able to catalog, categorize, and look at the 500 gigs of lossless bootlegs I previously had on 125 DVDRs. Accessibility = I will listen to it.

Accessibility = I will listen to it.

Urgent and key, forever.

Man, overall Google are about the biggest Pirates on the planet! Sounds like a good look though. I just have spent the last 2 weeks restoring (successfully, amazingly enough) a RAID drive that had gone south with a ton of great music on it. I would like to put it in a cloud! Can you not mask your IP address to them and then create multiple accounts?!

I'm excited about the new Western USB 3.0 Drive "kits" (1 or 2 TB and includes PCI-E card) with GB/sec throughput. (and probably going to cop one soon!). Had kind of strayed from WD after several bad drives and more bad blocks than East NY, been on the Seagate eSATA internals (cheap and big from MicroCenter).

Also, Otherworld computing has a thing called Voyager that you can dip your eSATA drives in and they mount as (ecch) USB. I got one of those too, and their Universal Drive Adapter is worth getting just to have around if you have a lot of old drives sitting everywhere.

Agreed, nothing short of FULL CELESTIAL JUKEBOX will do, so until then... YES! You have to have more than the KNOWLEDGE that you have something stashed somewhere!

"What if there's some new digital way to hear music faster and in better fidelity?"

...then you could listen to the complete jandek catalogue in twelve minutes.....

Which could be fun.

Anyway, this week I completed ripping my collection (aside from a bit of vinyl) and backed up everything to a further hard drive. The great culling will begin soon.

The other option, rather than culling, would be to decide on and stick to a more thorough metadata / tagging / rating system and then filter your collection via playlists. I only say this because i've gone down the 'backup and cull' road before and have lived to regret it. I spent way a lot of time figuring out what to toss/keep and have since had to get the old HD out, plug it in, search hundreds of gbs for an album and copy it back over to play it again. If you have plenty of HD space, it makes more sense to remove those albums you don't want in your everyday library via metadata/smart playlist filtering. Just a suggestion. It is fun to send shit to the trash bin too. Options!

Ah, no, I didn't mean culling mp3s, I meant culling the bastard huge collection of CDs I still have sitting around. The mp3s are all sitting on a drive (and fully copied on another drive) just where I want them!

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/01/two-terabyte-sd/

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All CDs sold; shelves to be donated somewhere.

New "collection":

http://www.apple.com/imac/
http://www.apple.com/timecapsule/
http://www.itunes.com

Actually, I lied. I have Bitte Orca and that Iron & Wine/Calexico EP from 2005 sitting here, but that's just because I had a gift card to the local record store. I've ripped those CDs, and now I'll be getting rid of them too.

All CDs sold

That's impressive, I can't even give away some of my CDs.

I should clarify: I had already gotten rid of shit like my old Godsmack records from high school a while back, and I had already sold some other stuff a while back, but out of everything I had left I was able to sell most of it, with the exception of a handful of records I just threw out. So, not really "all," I guess. Should've said, "All CDs gone, most of which were sold."

For anyone else thinking of doing this, sell everything worth something on Amazon Marketplace or insert-your-favorite-online-seller here, and take everything else to your local record store, if they buy used. I sold a lot at my local Newbury Comics.

Not being weighted down by two physical media collections (I buy a lot of books too), is awesome. Then again, I'd never be able to go totally digital with my books, so I can totally understand why other people would find my move to an almost 100% digital music collection unthinkable.

those aren't CD shelves, those are just shelves

BENNO
CD/ DVD shelf unit
$44.99

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/10133981

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Some of my CDs, circa summer 2008. (Plus oldish Radiohead poster and three pages about Wilco from some magazine I can't recall at the moment, all since taken down.)

Can anyone speak to the reliability (or otherwise) of these LaCie "rugged" drives?:

http://www.amazon.com/LaCie-All-Terrain-FireWire-Portable-301371/dp/B0018B5CA8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1278611051&sr=8-1

Earthquake yesterday freaked me out - have my thesis film sitting on G-drives at home but I need a portable backup drive in case anything happens.

admrl at least for your thesis you could do some cloud storage w dropbox or something

Man, I was hoping this thread title was a band name.

not if it's music you created!

xp

yeah, it's likely gone for good. luckily (and kind of mysteriously), all of my own music/recording files were spared -- but I basically lost all my mp3s, and pictures I've taken since I moved to san fran :(

I've been thinking about RAR-ing that stuff up with a password and putting it on Amazon's cloud thing or something. Anyone else done this? My hard drives die constantly. I've lost tons of pics and original music over the years, which still breaks my heart to think about it.

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/11/01/hdd_flooding/

Disk drive shipments are set to plummet by nearly 28 per cent in Q4 – 48 million fewer units than a year ago – in the wake of the devastating flooding in Thailand, says beancounter iSuppli.

The ripple effect of the worst flooding in the country for more than half a century is also likely to be felt across many sectors of IT and other industries, the analyst warned.

"The drop [in hard disk] is the largest sequential decrease on a percentage basis since the fourth quarter of 2008 when shipments fell 21.2 percent during the worst point of the last electronics downturn," said iSuppli.

It estimates 30 per cent of hard disk production will be lost in Q4 as factories are inundated with water, and as a result prices will rise by 10 per cent – which seems a little conservative given the recent swing already seen in the UK.

As has been well documented, the world's largest HDD manufacturer WD has been hit hardest by the rising waters and its market share is forecast to dramatically fall by the end of this year, leaving it in third place, while Toshiba is expected to fall from fourth to fifth.

Disk drives underpin the digital age and shortages will be felt across swathes of the IT industry, while the flooding has also hit car makers.

"In the PC market, the HDD shortage is likely to have the greatest impact on notebook PCs. The specific HDD plants affected by the flooding make devices designed for mobile computers," said iSuppli.

So far Acer has confirmed price rises on the next batch of shipments and rival ASUS revealed yesterday it will run out of disk drives by the end of this month. Other PC vendors have noted the challenges in securing HDDs but have not commented further.

However, current PC stockpiles in the channel following leaner demand this year will shelter biz or retail customers from availability glitches until Q1 next year.

DRAM is likely to feel the strain of a slowing mobile PC market as "any reduction in PC sales due to supply constraints will further depress the already oversupplied DRAM market", said iSuppli.

Some camera makers – including Sony, Nikon and Canon – have been disrupted by the natural disaster in the Far East as have car makers, with Ford, Mazda, Hino, Honda, Isuzu, Mitsubishi, Nissan and Toyota suspending production in Thailand.

my ext hard drive whirrs and clicks and whirrs and clicks and whirrs and clicks and then stops, and my laptop won't recognise it. this is death, yes? is it gonna cost me absolute £££s to get the data off of it?

oh noooooooooooo

that happened to me two weeks ago (my entire music collection on it). took it to friend-of-friend who said he could do cheap data recovery and it looked really hopeful and then the next day he called to say he couldn't do it, i'd need to take it to a professional. we found a few data recovery places and about the best deal appeared to be "starting at £97, not more than £250". given that they seem to charge on the basis of quantity and obv a music collection is massive, that's the point at which i decided it would be "liberating" to start again. it has indeed been partially liberating but it is also the closest i have come to weeping in a decade

yikes - that's definitely the nightmare, lex... i think i would weep too.

however, i have just discovered that it was my old, broken HD that i was using, and that my newer, still-functioning hd was in another moving box and appears to be doing okay. phew. should probably back that sucker up asap, though...

OK, so what's the most reliable way to automatically back up your music as you go along? My external hard drive was broken by an energy surge after a power cut and I recovered 100% of it but it was frighteningly expensive. Does anyone here use double drives?

I have my music library on my internal drive as well as backed up to an external drive. Plus the contents are on various removable devices as well. Depending on how big your library is you'd be well served using Google Music or Amazon's cloud service.

What if you're talking terabytes?

i have a dual-bay NAS set up as RAID 1 (translation = a networked external drive with TWO hard drives in it, which are exact copies, and which appear on your computer as one drive. if one drive fails, you already have an exact copy of it. howvwrr, if you get some kind of data corruption, that corruption is also copied...... so really i need to be backing those up to Time Machine or something)

ned, i'll send you an external drive, copy yer music on to it and i'll keep a back up here in the UK. kthx

ned for truly huge needs you can get, say, a three or five-bay NAS and set it up as one of the other flavors of RAID. the whole enchilada will appear as one humongous networked drive. and then of course for safety's sake you get the exact same setup again, and back everything up to that on a daily or weekly basis

Mine keep dying, it's a drag. Seems to be the essential ones that do it too.
Think I've just lost load s of VU & Sun Ra
not what the thread's about but, wah.

xpost -- sounds involved but worth it, of course. Pricing is obviously my key concern. (Keep in mind that I'm planning on a computer upgrade later in the year, so that has priority.)

This is intriguing.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/29/connected-data-transporter-sync/

Am trying to make my internal SSD as slim as possible. Current hurdle: iPhoto library.

ew