Dennis Wilson - Pacific Ocean Blue

But is that because they were unavailable or it just took some time for the albums to gain a following of vocal supporters?

Wilburys are unlistenable glop lets get that straight

But is that because they were unavailable or it just took some time for the albums to gain a following of vocal supporters?

I think a bit of both. When an album is unavailable, you don't get the chance to get sick of it in the same way, and you remember it for its positive qualities while you ignore what you might not have liked so much about it.

That is, unless you play your old vinyl records or cassettes a lot, but fewer and fewer people do that.

I don't know about that. Seems like it cuts both ways. Tusk, which I think shares some commonalities with P.O.B., has always been available, I believe. And its rep seemingly grows by the year.

Wilburys are unlistenable glop lets get that straight.

Yeah, I sort of think this, too.

I think Pacific Ocean Blue is good, and this reissue is great news and generally a lot of fun. But I also think it's off-base to peg it as an experimental avant-pop album. West Coast rock, not far from the kind of thing Wilco is making now, is right on the money, but the full-page review in the current Wire puts it in the lineage of Remain in Light and Kid A.

THAT'S what's irritating me. It's insane.

Wire puts it in the lineage of Remain in Light and Kid A.

Okay, well, that's just ri-damn-diculous. It's still a lost classic, and I do think that term ("lost classic") is used far too loosely.

i love this album and so have read zero press about it

But I also think it's off-base to peg it as an experimental avant-pop album. West Coast rock, not far from the kind of thing Wilco is making now, is right on the money

But Dennis Wilson, like Jeff Tweedy today, didn't have the kind of voice you expect from a West Coast MOR singer.

the trick is not to read the press guys

but the full-page review in the current Wire puts it in the lineage of Remain in Light and Kid A.

maybe cuz the Wire guys haven't bothered to listen to a lot of West Coast 70s MOR rock...? or no wait maybe its cuz Remain in Light and Kid A owe more to West Coast 70s MOR rock than previously recognized haha

Yes, there's a strong Jacksone Browne/Doobie Bros. vibe in Kid A.

lolololol

Jackson Browne/Doobies/Talking Heads/Dennis Wilson = cokeheads

I dunno about tom yorke

I suppose you guys are gonna diss Oar now?

OK, I'll step up to the mark. Not that good, is it? Frankly.

i like oar and POB and no other - oh no, i am beardo cliche

I put Am The Cosmos on the other day after this thread and turned it off again after two songs. Uergh.

"I Am the Cosmos" isn't really considered in the same class as "POB", "Oar, "No Other" etc - by "beardo cliche" critical consensus, I mean

Southall my office tomorrow 9 am sharp

Big Star's 3rd album, fer sure (xp)

On the bright side, I look forward to reading James Masterson's chart commentary when Buckley's Starsailor gets reissued and goes straight in at number one.

Shame Jimmy Saville's not around, there's that track on where Timbo impersonates him after all

The Traveling Wilburys albums, for instance, are regarded considerably better now than they were back then.

What on earth are you talking about? Volume One got overwhelmingly positive.

"but the full-page review in the current Wire puts it in the lineage of Remain in Light and Kid A"

Just read that yesterday. Listening the album now for the first time, and fortunately The Wire's review is bullshit.

What a surprise. Who wrote it?

Just checking the Wire website, see our very own (How hot is) Dominique Leone (in person?) is reviewed in this issue. Must get a copy.

Richard Henderson writes it.

He also sez that POB is like a Bill Laswell production from the last ten years. WTF x 1000?

okay yeah I don't hear that at all

This re-issue sounds amazing to my ears thusfar! Definitely better than my Australian boot CD or Bambu randoms culled from internets.

yeah, my bambu boots were abysmal, great to really hear this stuff now

yeah the low quality of the stuff I have is kinda the only reason I may get this... not to be a broken record here but can someone post a tracklist for the reissue? I can't find one online.

Disk: 1
1. River Song
2. What's Wrong
3. Moonshine
4. Friday Night
5. Dreamer
6. Thoughts Of You
7. Time
8. You And I
9. Pacific Ocean Blues
10. Farewell My Friend
11. Rainbows
12. End Of The Show
13. Tug Of Love - Previously Unreleased
14. Only With You - Previously Unreleased
15. Holy Man - Instrumental, Previously Unreleased
16. Mexico - Previously Unreleased

Disk: 2
1. Under The Moonlight - Previously Unreleased
2. It's Not Too Late - Previously Unreleased
3. School Girl - Previously Unreleased
4. Love Remember Me - Previously Unreleased
5. Love Surrounds Me - Previously Unreleased
6. Wild Situation - Previously Unreleased
7. Common - Previously Unreleased
8. Are You Real - Previously Unreleased
9. He's A Bum - Previously Unreleased
10. Cocktails - Previously Unreleased
11. I Love You - Previously Unreleased
12. Constant Companion - Previously Unreleased
13. Time For Bed - Previously Unreleased
14. Album Tag Song - Previously Unreleased
15. All Alone - Previously Unreleased
16. Piano Variations On Thoughts Of You - Previously Unreleased
17. Holy Man - Taylor Hawkins Version

no "quad symphony"!

still, a bunch of stuff I don't have - must get then.

(thx btw)

just ordered the triple vinyl(!) from Sundazed

there is an hour-long NPR produced special about the album playing right now on WBEZ in chicago (you can listen online):

http://www.wbez.org/Program_SS.aspx

POB and Bambu are tolerable (sometimes barely), rarely superb ("River Song")

Take all the songs Dennis contributed to the Beach Boys proper between 1968 and 1974, put them together, and you'd have an album 100 x better than either POB or Bambu.

somewhere betwixt rong and challops

velko otm

lolz they excised the "erection" line out of "Wild Situation" on the reissue!

honestly with all the unreleased stuff I can kinda hear the Remain in Light comparisons - the walls of ominous synths + the odd foray into non-rock rhythms (ie, Jamaican or New Orleans funk or whatever) do make for some kind of (albeit dubious) parallel. I dunno about Kid A, I never listen to Radiohead.

I haven't gotten to the disc 2 Bambu stuff yet, but POB is really, really great. And I say that as someone who could give a fuck about the Beach Boys or 70s MOR rock. That Wire review was totally off the deep end but it's not at all a straightforward record.

I don't really get the POB love, so many fillers on it...

Where's the love for Dennis' most devastating song, "A time to live in dreams" ? You can listen to it on that page :
http://www.stephenkalinich.com/sjkdennis.html

Here's what written on the wiki page about it :
"A Time to Live in Dreams" is a song written by Dennis Wilson and Stephen Kalinich. The song was first discovered in The Beach Boys tape archive around 2000. It was first released on The Beach Boys 2001 anthology album Hawthorne, CA. In December, 2000, Brian Wilson was able to hear the song for the first time and according to Alan Boyd said "Wait - I don't remember this one. What album was this done for?"[1] Later on in the song when the organ begins to play and Dennis sings the line "in this new day, change your heart, forgive your brother...", Brian sat up straight and said softly, "Wow. What a great song."

I picked up the MIU/LA twofer used the other day. "Angel Come Home" is great.

I just got this finally. I thought I'd heard most of Bambu on a previous boot -- clearly, I hadn't.

At first blush, a lot of what makes this kind of extraordinary (and may account for the ludicrous Kid A and Remain in Light comps) is that he has zero regard for form -- or conventional form anyway. That began in some sense on POB, but really comes to the fore on Bambu Sections just pop up and rather than disappearing as they did on POB, here they just go on forever -- the REALLY long coda to "Are You Real?" and the intro to "Love Remember Me" to name just a few. There are also several deeply weird textural things going on -- the backwards choral stuff on "I Love You" is almost hard to explain it's so oddly put in the mix (with the intro to the next song, given how the CD is sequenced, even Dennis says at the conclusion of "I Love You": "Weird!").

At any rate, even for someone who thought he had a lot of this, this is a great package.

Also worth adding that this includes an outstanding version of "Only With You" (which is on here for no reason I can discern, unless it was supposed to be on POB, but the liners don't say that).

Also, it should be said that "Holy Man" is every bit the stone cold classic all the fanboys said it was. Even with the vocal by Taylor Hawkins instead of Denny, it's a great, great song.

lolz I got the OOP "The Real Beach Boy" bio of Dennis for my birthday.