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yeah, this was like 92/93. they were still gazing at their sneakers.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:07 (twenty years ago) link

Bless their sweet widdle hearts. The only time I saw them was in 2002 at Terrastock V -- Elvis T., Mike Daddino and myself had various scabrous things to say about them afterwards.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:08 (twenty years ago) link

Goddamn I have a bunch of reactions from all over this thread. Why did it blow up during my three hour break. All of these are x-posts but '90s rock is a big, important subject for me (like my adolescence, it makes no sense whatsoever in hindsight).

Anyhow: yeah, "No Excuses," the acoustic conga song, was Alice In Chains only good hit. "Why, Pt. 2" by Collective Soul from their post-haircut album was surprisingly awesome - I fuckin' DESPISED "Shine," always will. I never heard "Gel" until after seeing it hailed in Accidental Evolution, and it didn't impress me. You hyped it too much, Chuck.

I have to assume Chuck likes Stabbing Westward because they're NIN without the stuff that really pisses him off, just like STP are to Pearl Jam. Personally, both groups still have too much NIN and Pearl Jam in them (except for "Big Bang Baby," which is astoundingly awesome). And Mudhoney's March To Fuzz is GOLDEN.

The only good Crazy Town song was not remotely nu-metal. It was just a rap song.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:09 (twenty years ago) link

Surgery were pretty great. Probably the most conventionally rocking of those AmRep bands - they used bends! - but I think of them as pretty contemporaneous. As opposed to "post". I guess they did get a major label record out of the deal though, didn't they? I haven't listened to them in years. They were a good live group.

― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:10 (twenty years ago) link

It's funny, i never really knew the Lilies dude, but a while after i moved back to Philly so did he. And he started playing with all these philly dudes i was friends with. Aspera Ad Astra guys and my pal don from Ink & Dagger. I never really listened to the Lilies.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:10 (twenty years ago) link

(xpost x4)

the first time i saw both madder rose and monsterland was on a new music seminar bill at wetlands, and a certain couple named kurt and courtney were in the house, which i guess has helped implant their grunginess on my brain. though k and c were presumably there to see the headliners, the 100 percent grunge-free television pesonalities.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:10 (twenty years ago) link

Who were also on Seed = DO YOU SEE etc. (Not that there are ever any label showcases at such events, what a thought!)

So Scott, you had to have known the Lenola folks at least.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

I like both Crazytown albums, Anthony. Howz that for guilty pleasures.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

Name some names, ned. all those guys would move around from band to band forever. They all eventually ended up playing in every like-minded band. Philly has always been like that. Was Quentin Stolfus(sic?) in Lenola? He's a cool dude. Don's a cool cat from Lilies/Ink&Dagger. He's out in L.A. trying to make it big or something. I don't really talk to those people though. I'm outtathere.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:14 (twenty years ago) link

ew, Scott even that "Drowning" song? Shifty is a great rapper (his Oakenfold collabo is awesome), but that band is sludge suckage to the utmost. They need to keep their shit LIGHT.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:16 (twenty years ago) link

Sugar Ray were labelled grunge at the time. I remember their song 'mean machine'. My god they changed.

Anyone like Helmet? Meantime was a big album from my youth.
Do Brainiac count? Whats the best place to start with for them?

― Rock Bastard, Monday, 15 March 2004 01:16 (twenty years ago) link

Whatever happened to Monkey 101?

― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:17 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't think they were sludgey at all, anthony! They were bubble-gummy good to me.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:17 (twenty years ago) link

Sugar Ray, unlike Crazytown, realized what a shitty hard rock band they were (until "Falls Apart," when they learned to turn make rock pop). God bless 'em.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one, Scott (btw, check your e-mail in 10 minutes...I got your tape yesterday! Thanks!)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:18 (twenty years ago) link

Quentin was in the Asuza Plane and other delights, bless him.

Lenola people: Jay Laughlin, David Grubb, Sean Byrne, Scott Colan

Helmet -- I still ponder at them. Only one good song for my money ("Unsung," obv.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:19 (twenty years ago) link

I never got Helmet period.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:21 (twenty years ago) link

Quentin is someone that everyone else in bands really looked up to, i think. They really admired his song-writing abilities. He's also a really good mover and is really strong for his size.(Mambo Movers in Philly-THE elite underground rockers part-time gig of choice.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:22 (twenty years ago) link

I love Meantime. I never really listened to any other Helmet except the first album which i didn't like as much.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:23 (twenty years ago) link

Now answer my Lenola response. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:24 (twenty years ago) link

I was really more down with the Siltbreeze Kru in Philly, but i liked those noise-poppy dudes. I haven't heard any of their music in a while though.

Those Lenola names don't ring a bell, but i probably knew them from around. Philly is a pretty small town.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:26 (twenty years ago) link

Destroy Lit, Verve Pipe and Goo Goo Dolls. And also that big Catherine Wheel album that sucked (not the early ones).

― Rock Bastard, Monday, 15 March 2004 03:55 (twenty years ago) link

that's true! Catherine Wheel's big rock move. With Tanya Donnelly no less. It wasn't no Chrome that's for sure. They made up for it with the one after that though.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 03:59 (twenty years ago) link

Very, very true.

Hey Scott, are you on AIM or not?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:02 (twenty years ago) link

Seed was a great label! i've got a promo comp they put out and it's gold! the closest the Pastels ever came to being on a major label! Monsterland were great but in all honesty i respect Thom Monahan more as a studio man than a songwriter.

Lilys? post grunge? are you nuts?

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:08 (twenty years ago) link

AIM? Not usually. I could be. Hold on.

Okay, now i'm on. Username:Skotrok

(Why, did you want to say something mean about Anthony?)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:08 (twenty years ago) link

no, i didn't say the lilies were post-grunge. i said they used to play at T.K.'s All-American Sports Bar in Danbury, CT on Sunday nites in 1992/3.(half price pitchers from 7 to 10)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:10 (twenty years ago) link

Sez I can't add yer name to my buddy list, Scott. Unfun. (I'm just NedRaggett )

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:10 (twenty years ago) link

Some people don't get Helmet? :(

Strap it On and Meantime are effing great. Plus Helmet doesn't really belong in this thread.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:11 (twenty years ago) link

Hmm, maybe i'm taboo. I'll try yer thing.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:12 (twenty years ago) link

actually maybe we're talking about different bands anyway, i'm talking about lilys, who are probably entirely different to the lilies

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:13 (twenty years ago) link

Bah! I got your reply, then the chat window froze. (Sorry for the sidetrack here.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:15 (twenty years ago) link

hmmm, maybe i don't know how to spell. that's another possibility.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:15 (twenty years ago) link

Well, I'll see what can be figured out here (probably not much).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:17 (twenty years ago) link

All right, Scott, we're all saying hi to you in the chat. We know you're there! ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:20 (twenty years ago) link

I actually came to like one song off the Lilys' (it's not Lilies, acc. to the AMG -- or am I royally mixing things up?) last album, but MAN, that Terrastock performance was like being mocked by junkies.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:22 (twenty years ago) link

Haha! So true.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:23 (twenty years ago) link

Anyway, Scott, got your message after the restart -- here's a question -- are you running an older version of AIM software, or are you on an older computer?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:26 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, my computer is old. and my AIM is old. and i'm old.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:27 (twenty years ago) link

Hm. Well, you could try updating the AIM software, but no guarantees. Pity! We were cheered to see you there.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:28 (twenty years ago) link

I hardly ever go on AIM anymore cuz it's always just ny brother and he never has anything to say.(shit, he won't read this thread i hope)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:29 (twenty years ago) link

Plus i had a girlfriend that i lived with who became addicted to it and who fell in love with a vampire from Canada named Raven and the AIM noises give me flashbacks.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:30 (twenty years ago) link

This would be a problem, I agree.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:31 (twenty years ago) link

tell Stence to try again, i'll turn off my netscape. maybe that will do it. i have to hit the hay soon anyway.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:31 (twenty years ago) link

"...fell in love with a vampire from Canada named Raven and the AIM noises give me flashbacks."

Christ. I feel for ya bro, I really do.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:33 (twenty years ago) link

Well, I guess it's not working for ya. Another time!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:38 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, oops! tell everyone to have a lovely evening. i'll try new software sometime.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:40 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, but the vampire thing turned out to be a stroke of good luck. cuz i dumped her and then immediately began corresponding with the girl of my dreams who i ended up marrying. See how things work out sometimes! At the time it was miserable though.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:43 (twenty years ago) link

All this nostalgia has reminded me that i actually knew a Collective Soul groupie!! She actually started out as a Nelson groupie, worked her way up to Collective Soul groupie, and then spent one glorious year as Al Jourgenson's tour-mamma! I wanted to write a book about her at one point. She was a stripper who enjoyed renaissance fairs.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:46 (twenty years ago) link

No mention of Live yet? "Lakini's Juice" was good, and I had a strange fascination with "Freaks," but everything else they did was crap.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 15 March 2004 07:35 (twenty years ago) link

Some people don't get Helmet? :(
Strap it On and Meantime are effing great. Plus Helmet doesn't really belong in this thread.

-- latebloomer (posercore24...), March 15th, 2004. (later)

So true.

Helmet weree indeed swept up in the big label sweepstakes following Nirvana's rise (as were their New Yorker peers in COP SHOOT COP -- whom NO ONE should mistake for grunge), but sound/sensibility-wise, they don't really fit in with the grunge corps. Bless'em.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 March 2004 12:55 (twenty years ago) link

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