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Everyone (near London) should go see Manitoba at the ICA on Sunday, because Dublin's best band, the don't-call-them-post-rock 8-man-and-a-lady music monster The Jimmy Cake are playing support and it's less than a tenner in.

(I may be biased. But everyone agrees it's them versus Redneck Manifesto for ruler of Dublin bands).

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 20:49 (twenty years ago) link

Girl you know it's true. But what can I do? Ooh ooh ooh.

kate, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 07:42 (twenty years ago) link

I still luuuuuurve it. But I guess I don't see at as some ultimate psychedelic rock album or anything, I just view it as madhead electronica which happens to have some guitars and skronking in there instead of (and as well as) blippy blip blips and broken radios and digital squelches.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 08:18 (twenty years ago) link

Everything's Alright Forever. Now THERE is a record that I miss, and I should pick up again. Does This Hurt? Phew!

Probably won't be able to make the show on Friday, though, as I think Joe and I are going out to visit his mum's country cottage.

kate, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 08:29 (twenty years ago) link

And I don't get how it could be seen as 'boring' of all things.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 08:32 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Wow, I am just baffled by all the hooplah about this album. Once again Pitchfork is up their ass. If Beulah had made this album, they would have given it a 5.5

Sure, there's a few nice tunes on here, and the guy's to be patted on the back for trying some new things, but that's as far as I'll go. And who likes all the free-jazzy noodling crap that appears on a few of the tracks? That's supposed to be tuneful?

In case any of you aren't in the know, Manitoba is the name of the lamest province in Canada, and home to Winnipeg, the lamest city in Canada. So a Canadian naming their act Manitoba is akin to an American naming their act err... Iowa or maybe Wyoming.

blutroniq (blutroniq), Thursday, 19 June 2003 06:39 (twenty years ago) link

I wanna call my next band Milton Barnet. Yeah.

kate (kate), Thursday, 19 June 2003 07:15 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah man, he was so rude to not write any tunes.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 07:17 (twenty years ago) link

Dude, if there really was free-jazz noodling on any of the tracks, do you think I'd be within a mile of it?

kate (kate), Thursday, 19 June 2003 07:26 (twenty years ago) link

I now kind of want to hear this because - pretty much without exception - EVERYBODY on ILM whose taste I trust says it's bad and everybody whose taste I don't says it's good (pls don't feel flattered or insulted by this by the way) so how I feel will be a useful test of this board as a recommendation-generator.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 19 June 2003 07:30 (twenty years ago) link

Yes kate.

Yes Tico Tico.

I still wuv it.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 07:31 (twenty years ago) link

Tico, you would hate it. And I mean that in the best of all possible ways, you chartpop loving freak.

"Love the Beach Boys and Mercury Rev? Really want to prove your avante guarde trendiness by getting into IDM and bleepmusic, but you really just can't get your head around the lack of TUNES?!?!? Manitoba is the band for you!"

kate (kate), Thursday, 19 June 2003 07:39 (twenty years ago) link

still don't get this manitoba album. i mean its all very pretty, but i can't really get much deeper into it than that. is there something im missing?

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 19 June 2003 07:46 (twenty years ago) link

And what's wrong with prettiness for pretty's sake?

kate (kate), Thursday, 19 June 2003 07:47 (twenty years ago) link

Nowt.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 07:54 (twenty years ago) link

prettiness for prettiness's sake is alright. but the manitoba record doesnt really hit my subconcious. the tunes as i said are sort of pretty, but it doesnt really hit me. maybe theres a depth in it, if so im missing it. so i guess i just don't get it. i feel very unintelligent right now

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:07 (twenty years ago) link

Is it just me who thinks it sounds like yuppie dinner party music? I dunno what I was expecting after reading the reviews, and I agree it's got some nice ideas on it, it's just... bland. Like there's all this stuff going on that should make it interesting but it all sort of blends together and ends up coming out of the speakers sounding like the chemical brothers.

But then I've only listened to it twice, perhaps I should give it another chance.

Steve.n. (sjkirk), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:13 (twenty years ago) link

Ah, well, I still think Dig Your Own Hole is one of the finest rekkids evah.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:18 (twenty years ago) link

The Chemical Brothers were occasionally pretty alright. Dance music for people who didn't like dance music, what's wrong with that? I didn't think they were going to save either dance music or rock music, but they were pretty entertaining. Ditto Manitoba.

kate (kate), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:20 (twenty years ago) link

Exactly. I'm completely unarsed by the idea of anyone 'saving' anything these days. All I'm looking for is stuff that I'm going to enjoy in whatever way for whatever reason, and Manitoba fits the bill incredibly well.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:26 (twenty years ago) link

Ah right, so it's not just me. Could no-one have explained that Monitoba sound like the chemical brothers before I bought the album? I would've saved myself the trouble.

Also, could noone have told me that the Postal Service record sounds like FUCKING DUBSTAR! IDM my arse.

Steve.n. (sjkirk), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:33 (twenty years ago) link

Dubstar sound like Motorhead next to them.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:37 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think manitoba does sound that much like Chem Bros though, only bits of the drums.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:44 (twenty years ago) link

sounds more like groove armada to me. which probably isn't a good thing for me personally

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:46 (twenty years ago) link

Groove Armada? Fucking hell, have you got the same record?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:48 (twenty years ago) link

it was lil bit tongue in cheek

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:56 (twenty years ago) link

Thought it must be!

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:57 (twenty years ago) link

Tho it is my fault really. I should've known if wasn't for me when the main review on the little sticker on the cover was a rave review from Loaded. I almost feel dirty buying something recommended by Loaded.

Steve.n. (sjkirk), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:58 (twenty years ago) link

I'm still meh on this. I can see the appeal but there's no wya I love it. My opinion:

http://www.bleed-music.com/new/albums/story.asp?id=1507

(Less knowledgable (and shorter) than Nick's).

Ned, have you heard it yet?

mei (mei), Thursday, 19 June 2003 10:08 (twenty years ago) link

This sounds like the warm headache and the swirly feeling you get in your stomach just before you vomit.

You've eaten too much pink candy floss and been on the whirly spinney things at the fair and that's okay because those whirly spinning things could only make a complete pussy throw up but now it's your headache and your swirly feeling and your candy floss puke on the pavement and you're the pussy and the floor's still spinning and will it ever stop?

This sounds like the BEST MUSIC EVAH!!! I love candy floss! I love the whirly spinny thing! I always throw up, but the sensation of eating candy floss and whirling is so great that it's worth it!

kate (kate), Thursday, 19 June 2003 10:11 (twenty years ago) link

Aye, great review mei!

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 11:08 (twenty years ago) link

Do you know, it is almost AN EXACT COPY of the second Chapterhouse album?

heh. I was waiting for someone to mention this. Haven't seen that remarked upon in too many, or any, really, reviews.

sample email exchange from buddy to me:

"Dude, what's it sound like, anyway?"

"Heh. First track sounds like Chapterhouse with more reverb. This is kinda neat."

[...30 minutes pass...]

"Dude! get this! this is fucking killer!"

Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:16 (twenty years ago) link

kate et al; would I like Blood Music? Is it worth tracking down?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

I'm going to go home tonight and dig it out and give it another listen. But it's got that shoegazer atmospherics combined with pretty vocal harmonies and dance beats (though it's more baggy/techno crossover than it is IDM or anything like that). I have no idea how hard it would be to get hold of now, though. It bombed at the time, and it's passed way beyond used bin status.

kate (kate), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:31 (twenty years ago) link

I've spotted a couple of copies at netsounds.com; some of them have a bonus CD.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:53 (twenty years ago) link

You know, I don't ever think I've actually listened to the bonus CD. It's still in storage back somewhere at my mum's!

kate (kate), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:58 (twenty years ago) link

found it in a used shop either in Ann Arbor, or in Austin, so it's out there, somewhere...

Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:58 (twenty years ago) link

kate et al; would I like Blood Music? Is it worth tracking down?

Nah, not really worth tracking down, but if you see it and its reasonably priced give it a shot. A 2 Disc version with several remixes exists as well. I like the Manitoba album better since its got more Mercury Rev and Sp3 in it. Otherwise the resemblence is striking.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 19 June 2003 15:02 (twenty years ago) link

To: blutroniq
From: Mark Richardson

Re: up my ass

I just re-read my review & I stand by it completely. I think I did a pretty good job explaining why the record works & who might like it. What were you expecting after reading my review?

I do think that some of the interest in the Manitoba record, at least from people who liked his first album a lot, is that he went in such a completely different direction. At a time when a lot of people are wondering if IDM has reached a cul de sac, he decided to abandon it for retro pop. If you don't care about electronic music or what Snaith did earlier, the record might have just a little less punch.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 19 June 2003 15:49 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, have you heard it yet?

Nope -- symptomatic of the whole feeling I've got towards listening to music a lot these days, please refer to my various posts on the 'top singles of 2003' thread for more. In this case though, rather than not being all that excited over constant new thrills, I feel dulled by all the Beach Boys/Chapterhouse/Chemicals invocations and can't be bothered to care more. I do again note your comment about sounding like Loveless on its final song but jeez, I've heard enough that wants to sound like Loveless over time after all...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 June 2003 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

(But to add to other matters, Blood Music is rather good, as is Whirlpool and Rownderbowt. ;-))

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 June 2003 16:05 (twenty years ago) link

well put, mark.
after having the record a while (i was drooling over it at first) i must say it gets a touch dull; but his older stuff still gets it up for me.

dyson (dyson), Thursday, 19 June 2003 16:11 (twenty years ago) link

Hey Mark,

Your review is accurate, I agree, and many people have been praising Up In Flames, so to blame you specifically was a bit harsh. However, I do stand by the claim that if an act like Beulah was to have made this same album, there is little chance it would have garnered an 8.6. Bands shouldn't be given bonus points just for changing their style or doing something unexpected.

I listen to mountains of indie and electronica, but this album just doesn't turn my crank much. For me, it's too much of a rambling mess. I'll take something like that Digital Jockey album anyday over this. I think it's OK, but not fantastic like many people have asserted.

blutroniq (blutroniq), Thursday, 19 June 2003 18:19 (twenty years ago) link

I really really hate this album.

Also,

Recipe for 'Seething Cozen': just add Four Tet's 'Rounds'.

Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 June 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

i listened to this record twice after hearing so much praise about it and there is absolutely nothing special about it at all. I am left wondering what it is that is exciting people. Domino has put out so much other great music (hood, pram) recently, I'm really bewildered by this (and the james yorkston record too, which similarly got a lot of raves but is staggeringly bland).

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 19 June 2003 19:21 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, that James Yorkston album is... god... indescribably sellable.

Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 June 2003 21:58 (twenty years ago) link

Why do you hate it Cozen?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:33 (twenty years ago) link

I know it's totally illogical but Four Tet manage to irritate me hugely just because of their name. I'm deliberately not going to liosten to them just because of it.

mei (mei), Friday, 20 June 2003 09:49 (twenty years ago) link

That's your loss then.

I guess with all the nany-nany-poo-poo's this might not be the best time to mention there'll be some West Coast Manitoba/Dabrye dates in September?

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 20 June 2003 13:11 (twenty years ago) link


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