The Field Mice: Cl*ss*c Or D*d

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i don't feel right being complimented for an 'analysis' of about ten words but thank you just the same

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 22 February 2004 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

I have a very short attention span - 10 word analyses are my favourites.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 23:23 (twenty years ago) link

do you really think robert wratten is parodizing himself, amateurist? somehow i doubt it. most of his songs are about this kind of straight feelings.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 23 February 2004 07:13 (twenty years ago) link

no i don't think he is necessarily parodying himself but his songs often seem like a kind of caricature of earnest songwriting--a kind of extreme

i find it hard to take

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 23 February 2004 10:13 (twenty years ago) link

i agree, but find it easy to take. if it is the case that they were always earnestly meant that'd a disappointment, but it won't stop my reading/hearing of the songs

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Monday, 23 February 2004 10:14 (twenty years ago) link

I think Broken by Whispers is 'almost' a concept album about trying to get over someone and moving on. It's true that you really have to be be 'in the mood' for most of Wrattens songs (more so then ever for Trembling Blue Stars records), but when you're in that particular situation they can really work for you. It's great! (Er, blub etc)

flowersdie (flowersdie), Monday, 23 February 2004 16:53 (twenty years ago) link

awww....

zappi (joni), Monday, 23 February 2004 16:58 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
I can't stop listening to 'willow', 'a wrong turn and raindrops' and 'emma's house'.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 16:52 (twenty years ago) link

I watched a documentary the other night ('the boy whose skin fell off') which was very funny and touching and, in two instances, impossibly sad: i. the man the doc was about had to have his dressings changed weekly, they showed this slow sticky process and at one point his mum (I was nothing but impressed by her, she seemed a phenomenal person) accidentally pulled too quickly on the bandage and he gave out a wrenching sob (I was thinking about this scene walking down gt. western road today, spring finally having flourished on glasgow) all the more sad for the way he sat, crooked, bent over the whole time, staring down, he said something like 'o mum, leave it' : ( ii. he asked his brother - grown man, late 30s, seemed the hard of north england's boys - if he would speak a little at his funeral and his brother couldn't speak, on the edge of tears. the pinefox has talked about culture as weather: I have been revisiting some old climate recently (hefner, b&s etc): some british weather system lost: I'm not entirely sure of a point, perhaps you are: I just want to note this sadness and maybe one day come back and relate how the field mice work in here.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago) link

sorry.

the two are in some connected together in my mind.

I remember gareth said something about how hood's 'the cold house' reminded him of leeds but 'the leeds of robbie keane.' and I think this in someway relates but I can't get to grips with explaining why nor how.

this may be another folk method vs. pop method dichotomy, at the level of instinct rather than purpose.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 17:03 (twenty years ago) link

anyway, yeah, sorry, I really only wanted to say I love the field mice and to ask if anyone else saw that documentary.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 17:09 (twenty years ago) link

i cant imagine that i would have said that about cold house, leeds, and robbie keane. are sure it was me?

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 17:20 (twenty years ago) link

sorry, you're spot on, it was robin.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 17:26 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
"Triangle" came on shuffle last week & I thought it was Quique-era Seefeel.

(v.late reply to ESOJ - they both wouldn't exist without acid house, & I discovered them both through tom's top 100 singles of the nineties)

etc, Monday, 19 April 2004 00:18 (twenty years ago) link

"Sarah Records, the last enclave of the cutie tribe, are always good for a cheap laugh.
The exception that proves the rule, the saving grace, is, of course, The Field Mice, sex gods among their castrated labelmates. "Death and my cock are the world," intones the lead singer, before plunging headfirst into priapic odyssey to the limits of experience that is "September's Not So Far Away". Monsterously engorged and enflamed, "September" proves once again that the Field Mice are one of the few groups to grapple with the new technology, yet reinvoke rock's Dionystic primitivism.

Young Gods, watch out, the Field Mice are behind you and they're signalling to overtake!"
- simon reynolds in melody maker circa 1991!

etc, Monday, 19 April 2004 00:31 (twenty years ago) link

i always suspected reynolds was a cock, that pretty much confirms it.

the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 19 April 2004 00:32 (twenty years ago) link

I remember that review. At the time, knowing nothing about the band, I thought he was serious!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 April 2004 00:38 (twenty years ago) link

Liking one or two Field Mice songs and not any others seems very odd to me, much odder than liking none.
-- Tom (freakytrigge...), August 7th, 2003.

haha if I could chop them in half & keep the bit that did "Triangle", "Humblebee", "Missing The Moon", "It Isn't Forever", "Let's Kiss & Make Up" (& the others of that ilk) . . .

(btw ned is that where you lifted yr stephin merritt jab from? or does the phrase "death & my cock is the world" have some sort of propah-musical origin?)

etc, Monday, 19 April 2004 00:56 (twenty years ago) link

i can definitely see people only getting into the more electronic numbers over the wet acousticky ones..

the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 19 April 2004 00:59 (twenty years ago) link

btw ned is that where you lifted yr stephin merritt jab from?

I'm sure it has to be!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 April 2004 02:30 (twenty years ago) link

"Death and my cock are the world." -- Jim Morrison

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 19 April 2004 05:37 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
haha the Seefeel-sounding track I meant was "Tilting At Windmills", not "Triangle" (which is more New Order-esque). shame on me.

(did the post-FM pre-TBS band have many tracks in that sort of electronic style?)

etc, Monday, 10 May 2004 21:24 (twenty years ago) link

yeah they sorta did.. NPL were a lot more "ambient" than both bands though. i think 100% of their output is available across two CDs which i heartily recommend

the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:40 (twenty years ago) link

'alaska' is fantastic. the comp cd is interesting cause by the end they were back to soundign like the field mice.

keith m (keithmcl), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 02:49 (twenty years ago) link

did the post-FM pre-TBS band have many tracks in that sort of electronic style?

find mp3s of "the way that stars die" or "monotone." you might see if you like the marine time keepers as well, they have a nice NPL thing going on their album. and alaska is fantastic.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 03:17 (twenty years ago) link

I could pare down what I like from "Where'd You Learn To Kiss..." to 10-15 tracks and take that as a legacy near to classic. Over 36 tracks though, not at all classic, but not a dud either, because there is much good.

An excess of Field Mice stuff is just rather *too much*. I like them in moderation; at their best, they are rather better than the twee stereotypes they are often monikered as; look at "Missing the Moon", "Indian Ocean", "Tilting at Windmills" (comparable as someone said above to what Seefeel and Disco Inferno were up to) and "It Isn't Forever" (hypnotic spirallings; sublime clatter from after 5:00). These are very atmospheric, inventive drifts. And the more straightforward stuff, sonically, can be much as excellent: "Coach Station Reunion", "Between Hello and Goodbye" (an aural clearness like Aztec Camera's "High Land, High Rain", though more muted and slight a song in comparison to Frame's), "If You Need Someone" (very New Order bassline), "Willow", "Canada" (positively jaunty, yet bittersweet; Willie Nelson ought to cover it) and "Emma's House". Most of those are more upbeat than their standard. And that standard can, across the 2-CD compilation, stultify a bit. There's a lack of contrast in style and tempo for much of CD2. It is largely there where for me the criticisms start to ring true; rather too much repetition, and nothing much interesting musically. The lyrics and vocals start to weary too, without odd, indie-ambient stuff like "Tilting at Windmills"... one can only take so much of these plaintive, earnest tones, and the word retread comes to mind with a lot of this material.

Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 16 May 2004 01:10 (twenty years ago) link

you talk about the music but the field mice were mainly about the words for most of their fans. i suppose that's pitiful but he was dashboard confessional before such a thing existed, i imagine when they played gigs people were mouthing along with bob and it was a sad sad state but that is why they are held precious. it's really not because they introduced a dance element to their music before a lot of indie bands did, though they did. the last trembling blue stars is actually the most sonically interesting of any of his records but it is still nothing near innovative and so attributing to them any standard bearing is silly. the country-ish ballad-ish songs were what he always seemed to come back to probably because most of their fans(the label too) didn't like the dancey stuff.

keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 16 May 2004 01:24 (twenty years ago) link

I can understand how fans got into the lyrics; it would be a very appealing sort of quiet soul-searching for those generally into indie... It's just not for me; there's little variety (he brings to mind David Gedge, in that sense) and he just does not have a *compelling* enough voice and perspective as lyricist/singer, to grab me. I prefer someone like Dan Treacy, who speaks in a much less limited way, yet is just as personal (and more moving, in my opinion). And in terms of wistful indie romanticism, what about that first Hefner album, "Breaking God's Heart"? Or, as I mentioned Aztec Camera circa "High Land, High Rain", which is life-affirming rather than life-petering-out, as certain FM stuff is. :)

Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 16 May 2004 01:46 (twenty years ago) link

Sooo much better than Dashboard Confessional . . . I can't imagine fans of the Field Mice or Aztec Camera shouting out lyrics in tandem with their idols . . .ick . . .

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 16 May 2004 08:37 (twenty years ago) link

tearfully (and tunelessly) whispering them perhaps

the surface noise of psychotic badassery (electricsound), Sunday, 16 May 2004 08:47 (twenty years ago) link

xpost
"most of their fans(the label too) didn't like the dancey stuff"
Hasn't Clare said on a few occasions that Missing The Moon is the best record she put out? The answer to that question is 'yes'. Whether she was being contrary, or would now nominate something else, I do not know, but I would be confident that as one half of the label she really did like that dancey song.

Canada Briggs (Canada Briggs), Sunday, 16 May 2004 09:09 (twenty years ago) link

it's tripe of the highest order that the label didn't like the dancey stuff. clare and matt were hardly backwards in coming forwards about their love of stuff like pet shop boys or new order, hardly cutting edge techno but they were a lot less tweefucking than the people who kept their label afloat

the surface noise of psychotic badassery (electricsound), Sunday, 16 May 2004 09:24 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
Classic. Every time my iPod spits out one of the songs from the comp, it makes my day.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
sorry for being such a bother on this thread. i still don't love them, but i just wanted to say that "emma's house" is magical.

amateur!!st, Thursday, 9 September 2004 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link


I watched a documentary the other night ('the boy whose skin fell off') which was very funny and touching and, in two instances, impossibly sad: i. the man the doc was about had to have his dressings changed weekly, they showed this slow sticky process and at one point his mum (I was nothing but impressed by her, she seemed a phenomenal person) accidentally pulled too quickly on the bandage and he gave out a wrenching sob (I was thinking about this scene walking down gt. western road today, spring finally having flourished on glasgow) all the more sad for the way he sat, crooked, bent over the whole time, staring down, he said something like 'o mum, leave it' : ( ii. he asked his brother - grown man, late 30s, seemed the hard of north england's boys - if he would speak a little at his funeral and his brother couldn't speak, on the edge of tears. the pinefox has talked about culture as weather: I have been revisiting some old climate recently (hefner, b&s etc): some british weather system lost: I'm not entirely sure of a point, perhaps you are: I just want to note this sadness and maybe one day come back and relate how the field mice work in here.
-- cozen (coze...), March 30th, 2004.


cozen can you give details on this docu?

amateur!!st, Thursday, 9 September 2004 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

actually i think i'm sort of getting to a place where i can actually appreciate this stuff for what it is

amateur!!st, Thursday, 9 September 2004 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

still the idea of hearing this kind of music live gives me the fear

amateur!!st, Thursday, 9 September 2004 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

ok nevermind this is starting to creep me out

amateur!!st, Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

i like my music with at least a little guile, just a little

or at least an awareness of different dramatic devices

amateur!!st, Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

LTM are releasing all of their recorded works in 2005.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 10 September 2004 07:18 (nineteen years ago) link

really? an orchids reissue program is far more pressing. but i'm not going to complain..

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Friday, 10 September 2004 07:55 (nineteen years ago) link

How do you know that, Dr C? It doesn't say on their website. I agree with Jim though, the Orchids are far more urgent and key really.

Rob M (Rob M), Friday, 10 September 2004 08:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sorry, but they were just so bloody WET.

Tag (Tag), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link

J. Nice told me.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:47 (nineteen years ago) link

fair enough. I'll start counting the days then.

Rob M (Rob M), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
the lead track on the latest trembling blue stars ep "southern stars appear brighter" is my favourite TBS thing in absolutely ages, although with beth arzy's vocal and the slightly shoegazey edge to the music it sounds awfully like an aberdeen song..

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 01:16 (nineteen years ago) link

New TBS album out this week, apparently. At leastin the US and Spain...not the UK for some reason.

Yeah, I really enjoyed that EP as well. I'm very excited.

mikef (mfleming), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

i always wondered if they ever did all that well in the UK relative to the other territories? but apparently the Elefant deal includes the UK. i've certainly had no hassles getting TBS or Camera Obscura stuff from UK mailorders at regular prices...

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 01:51 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Not really about the Field Music but: a listen to the Northern Picture Library rerelease on LTM convinces me that this is actually Wratten's true shining moment of all three of his bands. It might be because, as I'm arguing in my AMG review I'm writing up, it's the time when he was least overtly concerned about having to write focused songs as such, but could indulge various sonic fascinations in and of themselves. I think the results brought to bear by him, Davies and Dobson are, in their own quiet way, astonishing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:58 (nineteen years ago) link

hmm. it's possible you're on to something, although i feel a lot of the NPL stuff (probably more specifically the Sarah singles) was, i felt, some of Wratten's least satisfying work. however the 'blue dissolve' single and 'here to stay' are staggeringly good in the context of his catalogue.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:03 (nineteen years ago) link


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