we are talking historical hipsters tho.
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link
hipsters that maybe needed an intellectual "in" to metal
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah but Whiney's Sufjan losers are not the same hipsters that pay attention to John Zorn, are they?
― sarahel, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link
xxxxp yeah because before SST defined my 1985, KQRS defined my 1984.
― vadnais heights is cougartown (Jon Lewis), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Zorn/early Boredoms could be key here, really. 'Where can I hear more shit like this'? 'Try your local metal grocer's freezer!'
― vadnais heights is cougartown (Jon Lewis), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link
can i remind hipsters and troo metalheads to nominate and vote NOMINATIONS THREAD for ILX METAL ALBUMS Of 2009 (Closes December 20) - non rolling metal regulars welcomed to warm themselves by our blackened pyre of statistics, so plz Vom and Note
― Pfunkboy : The Dronelord vs The Girly Metal Daleks (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link
xp - but are these the same people that pay attention to the doings of Dave Grohl and Sufjan? Whiney come back!
― sarahel, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link
I feel like there is some crossover among them, but there are separate types of hipsters.
― sarahel, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:17 (fourteen years ago) link
don't forget the "art world" fascination with metal.
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link
There are good and bad reasons for snobbery about metal. Growing up in the South, a lot of metal fans around me in Kentucky really were dumbass racist jock rednecks. But it also crossed over into the D&D store / computer programmer / math league / gamer nerds that those jocks would beat up. So the power fantasies in metal can serve two audiences (power lifters getting pumped before their workout, and wannabe Columbine kids dreaming of striking back). I was into hardcore when I was growing up in the eighties and metal was "the enemy" until slowly but surely . . . it wasn't. Black Flag's "My War" was so Sabbath-like that most punks/hardcore kids I hung out with also listened to Black Sabbath, and while people laughed at hair metal, kids in the scene knew that Metallica's "Ride the Lightning" was cool, Carcass' "Reek of Putrefaction" was cool, Venom's "Possessed" was cool, etc. I was not into things that blatantly called themselves "crossover" ala DRI or SSD's sellout album, but an album like Corrosion of Conformity's "Animosity" was pretty solidly in both hardcore and metal camps. So . . . I've been into metal since Samhain's "November Coming Fire" tour, and I don't feel all that threatened by the accusation that black metal is "for hipsters"- I think if somebody is late to the party that's not necessarily their fault or something. The point is to be discriminating about what you like on its own terms rather than in terms of the bodycount/glamour/hype. I got "Filosofem" from my friend Kris Force when her band was signed to Misanthropy records and I just remember that the first time I heard Burzum there was immediately something really special about it that was emotional and hard to put into words. Am I just another "hipster" because I don't exclusively listen to metal always and only? fuck that. I think it's a false choice as far as death metal and black metal. There's great records in both camps, and derivative crap in both.
― twice boiled cabbage is death, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:19 (fourteen years ago) link
sarahel
Using the vague definition of "hipster" meaning "someone who is primarily into indie rock instead of metal" (as my metalhead friends who call me a hipster generally do)
Yes, Zorn/Boredoms-gateway-metal dudes are like an older generation of hipster than Southern Lord/Vice photo book/Matthew Barney nu-indie hipsters
― my adrian langs a ton (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:21 (fourteen years ago) link
So the power fantasies in metal can serve two audiences (power lifters getting pumped before their workout, and wannabe Columbine kids dreaming of striking back).
Yeah - I'd say that is accurate.
I got "Filosofem" from my friend Kris Force when her band was signed to Misanthropy records
Is this Amber Asylum or a different band? Or am I mixing up people again?
I think it's a false choice as far as death metal and black metal. There's great records in both camps, and derivative crap in both.
same here.
― sarahel, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:22 (fourteen years ago) link
it should also be noted that Justin Broadrick from Godflesh used a drum machine and sported short hair and a hoodie way back inna late 80s.
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:22 (fourteen years ago) link
xp - Whiney - I think the former is "my generation"
― sarahel, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost
yeah Amber Asylum
oh and obvious point but I would say that Aquarius Records in San Francisco is a great case of people who were always into tons of weird and cool music and obviously a "hipster" epicenter and they have always supported black metal and doom, so if you're looking for who put this stuff into hipster bloodstreams, AQ is one contender on the West Coast at any rate. Cinematically, Harmony Korine's "GUMMO" soundtrack did the same for NYC and stylists/fashionistas, I reckon.
― twice boiled cabbage is death, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link
What put me off BM for the longest time was the neo nazi connotations. I know I'm not the only one.
― Pfunkboy : The Dronelord vs The Girly Metal Daleks (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Considering Aquarius stocks Chunklet magazine - "hipster" epicenter is quite apt.
― sarahel, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link
aQ might cater to hipsters but the guys behind it are def long term metal fans, who also like other stuff, like most of us here on ilx posting to this thread really.
― Pfunkboy : The Dronelord vs The Girly Metal Daleks (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link
I think the neo-nazi connotations are an attraction for the "art world" types--fantasies of an all-white, all-male universe.
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:25 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm younger (29 next month), but i definitely am coming to metal via an interest in jazz/noize
― being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:25 (fourteen years ago) link
xxp - duh, one is not one's audience.
― sarahel, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link
A lot of hipsters are actually drawn to it BECAUSE of the neo-nazi connotations. Look how we deify they openly racist eugenics fan Varg Vikernes ON THIS VERY BOARD as a hero.
― my adrian langs a ton (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link
i definitely am coming to metal via an interest in jazz/noize
same here + "brutal prog"
― sarahel, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost:
we do?
― original bgm, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link
He's the one in the picture with the photoshopped cat, right?
― sarahel, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:29 (fourteen years ago) link
liking burzum the band and burzum the dude are obv two very different things, if that's what you're getting at...
― original bgm, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:29 (fourteen years ago) link
the dude in the picture w/the cat is v cute in that picture.
― sarahel, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:30 (fourteen years ago) link
hahaha. you will have to be more specific. this if the internet after all. ;-)
― original bgm, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:30 (fourteen years ago) link
also: hipsters have been acting like heshers for a decade now (PBR, wolf t-shirts, partying hard), it seems natural that some would grow up and get into REAL METAL
― being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:30 (fourteen years ago) link
"are you being an ironic hersher, man?"
"I can't even tell anymore."
― original bgm, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm pretty sure it started before that. Grohl was probably doing it to ride along on it's wave. That record truly flopped though, so it didn't do him or anyone involved much good.
(a) agreed, I don't think Probot was that big a deal for more than like a week(b) I'm really intolerant of stuff like this tbh, I don't even see where this 'wave' exists - the idea that Grohl had anything to gain in the 'credibility' stakes, circa 2004, by doing songs with King Diamond, Kurt from DRI and Max from Soulfly is just bizarro world to me. I am a hundred miles from feeling like I need to jump to Dave Grohl's defence but I get really het up by this narcissistic thing where people are all 'well this guy has sold eight-figure sums of albums but he's still glomming onto my music, how about that!'
― imo better blues (DJ Mencap), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link
what are the current supposed crossover 'hipster' metal albums out of curiosity
― conezy (cozwn), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link
http://tanakamusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/vargcat.jpg
Yes!
― sarahel, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah how do i get started on this poser business
― being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link
also in general can we cut all the side-stepping around the word "hipster" like it's some ugly "other." I'm so goddamn tired of everyone on ILX being like "I'm fat/old school/unfashionable/nerdy so I'm not a hipster." Jesus christ, we all post on a message board where people deconstruct the meaning of the word "balearic" and transcribe gucci mane lyrics and call Dirty Projectors "boring normal indie" and brag about the blues 78s they found at estate sales. Enough with the posturing already, ffs
― my adrian langs a ton (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Deathspell Omega is pretty awesome.
― sarahel, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:33 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah no fronting I'm a hipster I just want to kno to what to listen to I can get my card renewed
― conezy (cozwn), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:33 (fourteen years ago) link
so*
― conezy (cozwn), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:34 (fourteen years ago) link
quit posing, basically?
― original bgm, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:35 (fourteen years ago) link
man, deathspell omega IS pretty awesome.
xp - Whiney - yeah, it's kinda like saying, "I'm not bourgeois, I'm only middle class."
― sarahel, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:36 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm like 20 min behind the convo because i'm using crappy bolt bus wifi
but general "hipster-approved" metal in 00s was obv, Mastodon, Boris, SunnO))), Earth, Torche, Nachtmystium, etc
There was a short wave did decade that actually went by "hipster metal" because dudes looked like indie rockers and had no chops: Danava, Saviours, The Sword,
Obv, the best hipster approved metal record is Mastodon's Leviathan
― my adrian langs a ton (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:37 (fourteen years ago) link
i own 2 blank dogs records on vinyl, i am a hipster.
― eight woofers in the trunk sb'n down the block (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link
1. Denial — ppl in williamsburg2. Anger — ppl in chicago3. Bargaining — maybe if i cop to liking blink 182 ppl will stop calling me hipster4. Depression — what is even the point of buying this metal record, i'll always be thought of as a despicable hipster 4ever5. Acceptance — whiney g whinegarten
― being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link
I get really het up by this narcissistic thing where people are all 'well this guy has sold eight-figure sums of albums but he's still glomming onto my music, how about that!'
hey that's not what i was doing. I think you know me well enough to know that.
― Pfunkboy : The Dronelord vs The Girly Metal Daleks (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link
but general "hipster-approved" metal in 00s was obv, Mastodon, Boris, SunnO))), Earth, Torche, Nachtmystium, etc...Obv, the best hipster approved metal record is Mastodon's Leviathan
mea culpa
― being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link
add me to that acceptance category - i think i was the first to cop to it in this thread, actually.
― sarahel, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Nate Carson should weigh in here, too.
― sarahel, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:41 (fourteen years ago) link
nate was a hipster before any of us who heard all these bands before anyone else and booked their pre debut shows in attics/art gallerys in Portland ;)
― Pfunkboy : The Dronelord vs The Girly Metal Daleks (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:42 (fourteen years ago) link
amazing!
― original bgm, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link