Taking Sides - Amnesiac vs. Kid A

is electro big?

i have been wondering this elsewhere. rihanna convinced me maybe it is.

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Electro
Electroclash
Electronic Synth-Pop
ElectroHouse???

Enrique, I think you discredit the kind of impact Electroclash did have, although you're right about it being a part of the 80s revival which is what I've also been saying. While Electroclash was only seen as a significant movement among the dance cogniscienti (and even they saw it as a fad before it had even begun), I think it had a much bigger impact on the mainstream in the long run.

Getting back to the Radiohead subject, I don't think a track like Idioteque would have been realised without an electro revival. Elsewhere you can compare the sound of the Spice Girls with Girls Aloud and the latter have a distinct electro flavour as opposed to the comparably polished sound of the Spice Girls.

A revival in the Electro sound is just reinforcing the trend that things happening roughly 20-25 years ago tend to get romanticised and revived in a mainstream way whereas stuff that came out 10-15 years ago is seen as embarassing and untrendy. This is not really news, it's just typical of what happens. The 90s were all about the 60s (Oasis, Britpop in general) and 70s; the 80s were all about the 50's (Shakin Stevens, The Stray Cats) and 60's (The Specials, The Jam)

I don't think a track like Idioteque would have been realised without an electro revival.

Despite pre-dating electroclash by a year or two? What nonsense.

I don't think a track like Idioteque would have been realised without an electro revival.

Despite pre-dating electroclash by a year or two and sounding sonically completely different? What nonsense.

fandango, they're all the same thing really aren't they? just from different years. Like all styles of dance music, Electro has had to evolve over time. It's like saying "When people say 'I like House' I don't know what they mean".

What year was Kid A? 2001? Two Lone Swordsmen's "Tiny Reminders" from 2000 was a keystone in the Electro revival and it turned a lot of people onto that sound, especially Warp fans of the time, like Thom Yorke and myself. Before that album I didn't really know what Electro was supposed to be. Idioteque is more than a passing nod to that album.

what's more 'radical' though, doing no singles ('kid a') or releaseing 'pyramid song' as a single ('amnesiac')?

Jedi Knights 'New School Science' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Tiny Reminders', and guess the year it came out

fucks sake...

if you were an ignorant moron listening to shitty music all the time, yes

i think they made this more likely! 'kid a' was a Big Event not just because of the media and public but because it was released without singles and with these weird eco-shows (iirc) instead of a regular tour. that looked far more arrogant, in its way, than doing a patchy double-LP.

doglatin on this thread is like some kind of armando ianucci bot spouting out ridiculous ill thought out opinons with no link to reality.

Electroclash was spawned and then Girls Aloud and stuff etc.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

maybe fandango you're right but i don't think Radiohead ever wanted to shoot themselves in the foot. In a way by releasing two albums they made their experiments easier to swallow for the Mondeo-generation whereas I think a double-album in the style of say The White Album full of dibs and dabs and experiments and a reprise of one of the main tracks appearing on each side would have kept their integrity without alienating their fanbase.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Less of this kind of thing please. Say what you mean, because that's even more ill thought out than anything I've contributed to this thread.

1) Tanked their whole career with the backlash (bloated, "too experimental" etcetera) if it didn't work.
2) Made Thom the new John Lennon with Kid Amnesiac as their White Album if it did.

I don't blame them for letting some pressure off personally. But then I don't really like sprawliing double albums much either!

you don't get big without wanting it; moreoever it takes hard work. oasis didn't put the effort into the states that radiohead did.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOL

but really

WTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTF

Of course most of that was just a fond reference, and not the actively despicable nostalgia for "better times" when you had "real music" men were men and women were in the kitchen, NME-jackboot encouraged conservative shite you got with the arrival of the Britpop branding.

Pretty much OTM. If they had released Kid A and Amnesiac together it would have had a smaller-scale version of the effect that The Fragile and Tusk had on NIN and Fleetwood Mac sales.

idk if anyone GAF about another person trying to make this a double album BUT *i* dont GAF and did it anyway! never really liked the sequencing of this that much tbh, and still do wish it was a big fuck off double when they released it, but hey.

treefingers, idioteque, morning bell, everything in its right place, hunting bears, i might be wrong, pulk/pull revolving doors, dollars and cents, pyramid song, kid a, natiuonal anthem, packt like sardines, like spinning plates, optimistic, in limbo, how to dissapear completely, you and whose army, life in a glasshouse, motion pic soundtrack, untitled.

Having them be separate albums was the right choice. This way you get one great album and a not so good one instead of a double not so great album with some great songs in it.

he's really done it this time

The great album is Amnesiac, right?

(btw Moka, does your ilx email work?)

No "Knives Out" or "Morning Bell (Amnesiac)"? Both versions of the latter are essential to me.

I’m not sure? Did you send me an email recently?

Oh I just found one from you! I think it sends all the “robot” mails to spam... damn now I’m wondering if there’s other ilxors whose mails I never replied to :/

Let me write you!