U.S. music has helped feed Europop - some Europop could be considered a simplified version of the Miami sound, and maybe the Bobby O sound is the U.S. version of Europop, 'cept he never hit big on the pop charts. A Europop song will come in and hit as a novelty ("Blue Da Bee" or "Mambo No. 5"), but it will never lead to a string of similar hits, and those songs will disappear everywhere but on Radio Disney. (At least they'll disappear in Denver, which doesn't have an official "dance" station. Radio Disney is the only place you hear Europop and techno.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link
Frank, did you know that the Veronicas actually co-wrote All About Us? I'm not sure of the exact story but I guess it was probably meant for the Veronicas then they decided it would suit t.A.T.u better.
― Jessica P, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link
And Daze - I found the video for their Tamagotchi song, it's quite brilliant.
― Jessica P, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 18:52 (eighteen years ago) link
Melissa still exists and is still making music, according to the woman who'd done promotion on Melicious (which was Lefton's second album; first one met exact same fate: was slated for release and then shelved).
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 18:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― don, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link
Sigh. I soooo wanted her to pick Pink Bulldozer. But good manifesto (as manifestoes go).
[That is from Skye Sweetnam's MySpace profile, as if you couldn't tell.]
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link
Any thoughts about what the tour title should be?
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link
And fer cryin' out loud I leave for three days and she names her damn album!!! At least someone (including her) could still use Pink Bulldozer in the future (silver lining).
― nameom (nameom), Thursday, 1 June 2006 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link
Angry Samoans now in her top 8 myspace friends; also, in the photo captioned "oh oh food" she's wearing an Angry Samoans T-shirt. New bio (excerpted by Frank above) is very wacky. Is there a release date for the album yet?
― xhuxk, Thursday, 1 June 2006 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link
Album still due in mid to late August as far as I know (last info said it was slated somewhere around Aug 13, ...checking caldendar more likely the 14th).
― nameom (nameom), Friday, 2 June 2006 01:17 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.alyandaj.com/boards/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7104
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link
(This from someone in Germany who wants to see it and thinks it will be a good movie because it's romantic.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link
Results 1 - 2 of about 3 from myspace.com for +"Donovan's Reef" +"Ashlee Simpson".
Results 1 - 1 of about 2 from myspace.com for +"Ludwig Wittgenstein" +"Ashlee Simpson".
Your search - site:myspace.com +"unknown tongue" +"Ashlee Simpson" - did not match any documents.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 2 June 2006 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link
If you mean me (I'm not a Francis), the only e-address I've got is this one.
edcasual at earthlink dot net
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 2 June 2006 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link
Also take yer picture with a Frosty from Wendys and get it posted on Brie Larson's Myspace page.
― nameom (nameom), Friday, 2 June 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link
IM more spelling than speech, though there are prob'ly effects on speech patterns, mainly white incorporating black (e.g., "foo" for "fool," "lub" for "luv," "iz for r," "datz" for "that's," "fosho" for "for sure").
Then of course there's the title of the second Fannypack album, which is spelled in reverse IM-speak, words substituted for single letters rather than vice versa See You Next Tuesday.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 3 June 2006 03:58 (seventeen years ago) link
I've always heard it like that. There's a Busdriver song (not teenpop[?]) that has L-O-L but he makes the mistake of following it up with "laugh out loud." Whereas Ashlee follows it with "Oh, V-E." Nikki/Brittney translates the IM-speak when necessary for the rhyme but otherwise lets it go (and she knew that everyone would know what LOL stood for five years ago, unlike Busdriver who is clever but not as clever as Nikki Cleary).
Since it's not written out in the liner notes, here's the real life conversation Brittney has with two random girls in the studio whose names are Carly Bartelsen and Alyson Madell (credited with "girl talk")...for posterity's sake. Translated into IM-speak and then partially backtranslated.
Brittney: wassup QTs ;)girltalker1 [carly or alyson, "stephanie" in this exchange]: not much here :)girltalker2 [alyson or carly, not "stephanie"]: same here :)Brittney: did u c that note stephanie got from mike? :Ogirl2: no what did it saygirl1: omg[osh] he said our relationship wasnt going newheregirl2: he doesnt evn no what thatmeans >:O[girls roffle]girl2: did u get yr hw done?girl1: i was tryin 2 but realy iming Brittney: OMG[osh] hes such a hottie ;)girl2: hey guys i g2ggirl1: yea me too my mom was yellingirl2: bye babe lylBrittney: ok ttyl sweetie [actually spelled out t-t-y-l] ;)girl2: ttyl :)girl1: bye
From Brittney: "Hi! My name is Brittney and if you're anything like me, you LOVE to instant message your friends. When my producers asked me what I wanted my first single to be about, I knew right away. I wanted to sing about talking to my girlfriends online. I love I.M.ing and I even have my own website where you can learn more about me and my music. Listen to my new song and let me know how you like it! Check out my website: www.brittneycleary.com I'm waiting to hear from you! ♥ Brittney"
― nameom (nameom), Saturday, 3 June 2006 04:57 (seventeen years ago) link
The Platinum Weird album is due on Aug. 22. On June 29 there's going to be something about Platinum Weird on VH-1 (don't know if it's going to be a full-scale mockumentary or just a teaser). Platinum Weird is Dave Stewart and Kara DioGuardi, but also seems to have been originally conceived as the story of a fictional band from 1974 featuring the mysterious and elusive Erin Grace. Look upthread for further info. The (comparatively mediocre*) "Loneley Eyes"** is streamed on one of several Platinum Weird sites.
*mediocre in comparison to "Avalanche," the one other Platinum Weird song I've heard, not to mention in comparison to "Fly" and "Come Clean" and any Ashlee song ever and most Lindsay songs and "Sweet Dreams" and "Sexcrime (1984)" etc. etc. I suppose since this was conceived as fiction, the mediocrity of the lyrics could be DioGuardi and Stewart's way of being true to the character or Erin as they conceived her, but still... Here's the first verse and chorus, and the second verse is just as so-what:
"What kind of world stays upside downWhat kind of river won't let me drownWhat kind of road just won't connect(?)What kind of life have I foundIt's hard to face the future when you're movin' backward
"I've got lonely eyes and they've seen better daysI've been lost before but not without a traceWhat I'm looking for is somewhere in my pastAnd these lonely eyes will never take me back"
**"Loneley" is their spelling (at least on that site).
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 3 June 2006 05:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 3 June 2006 05:17 (seventeen years ago) link
What's up with the fictional little back-story about Erin Grace...is Kara going to be voicing Erin?
I hope not! Kara: you deserve need the spotlight! I don't want to see you lending your voice to some other girl so she can walk around on stage lipsyncing (see: Hilary Duff).
I just want to see a performance! Please! :D
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 3 June 2006 05:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― nameom (nameom), Saturday, 3 June 2006 06:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 3 June 2006 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 3 June 2006 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyway, I'm guessing people who like Avril and Kelly (and Michelle and Vanessa and ???) more than I do might also like Cori Yarckin more than I do. She sounds okay I guess, better in power ballad mode ("My Ever After", "Everything You Said") than more r&b-ish mode ("Gratitude," "Nothing Matters Now"), though I might be completely wrong about those songs belonging to those modes. Here's her page:
http://cdbaby.com/cd/yarckin
― xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 3 June 2006 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 4 June 2006 20:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 4 June 2006 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link
So, my nominations for EXTREME POP would include:
Mariah Carey (esp. her 1991 peak) because she's just fuckin' extreme, and 'cause she squeaks.Napoleon XIV's "They're Coming to Take Me Away" because it's extremely silly and irritating and because the flipside is the same song played backwards which causes people to shoot themselves in the head.The Veronicas' "4ever" for its deliriously gorgeous harmonies.Boney M for being guilelessly eclectic.Richard Harris' "MacArthur Park," because someone left the cake out in the rain.Lindsay Lohan's video for "Confessions of a Broken Heart (Daughter to Father)"Johnny RayThe Shangri-LasLittle Richard
You can figure out what's extreme about the last three. This list is just to get the concept going.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 4 June 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 4 June 2006 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 4 June 2006 23:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 4 June 2006 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link
Poison for the "I Want Action" video, which is extreme candy-colored transvestitism.Def Leppard's "Pour Some Sugar On Me" for being extremely on MTV all summer long, 1988.Hilary Duff's "Rock this World" and "Girl Can Rock," because they're there.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 4 June 2006 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link
(Except the title would have to be in pink; and it would probably end up as a Website rather than a magazine. Metal Mike Saunders could interview Skye Sweetnam, and Dave Bedbug could review the record. Brie Larson would publish promo tour diaries. Reports from Europe on Marie Serneholt, Eurovision, Iranian disco.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 5 June 2006 00:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Zwan (miccio), Monday, 5 June 2006 00:31 (seventeen years ago) link
I am currently convinced that the Vanilla Ninja album, "Love Is War" is in fact a minor masterpiece. Having ditched David Brandes (of E-Rotic fame! Max! Don't have sex! With your ex!) as their producer and songwriter, they sound really fantastic - invigorated, definitely.
One song sounds like "Cool Vibes". But LOTS better! Another sounds like The Rasmus covering Tenacious D! And there's a gigantic mega closing power ballad to die for. The rest sounds like Pat Benatar. There are handclaps on two songs. There's a song called "The Band That Never Existed". Genius!
Teens across Mitteleurope should be going apeshit over this. Best bubblegum rock album since Ashlee, def.
Immediate search: "Kingdom Burning Down" (vicious! Lenna is doing lots to make up for the lack of Maarja in the line-up), "Battlefield" (basically, Pat Benatar, as said above), "Silence" (preposterous power ballad with ominous strings and hefty faux-guitar crunch squall).
― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 5 June 2006 04:04 (seventeen years ago) link
Gillian Welch, Joni Mitchell, Fiona Apple, The Beatles, Ryan Adams, The Dixie Chicks, Rufus Wainwright, Bob Dylan, Radiohead.
I've never heard Gillian Welch. I don't think I've heard Rufus Wainwright either, come to think of it.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 5 June 2006 13:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 5 June 2006 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Je4nn3 Æ’urÂ¥ (Je4nne Fury), Monday, 5 June 2006 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 5 June 2006 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 5 June 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link
(I'm afraid that none of those colors has high enough name recognition.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 5 June 2006 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― Je4nn3 Æ’urÂ¥ (Je4nne Fury), Monday, 5 June 2006 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― nameom (nameom), Monday, 5 June 2006 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link
i think that what is extreme about these people, is an awareness of their own artifice and their own realness, and how those depth bombs of concepts can be used in concordance... (so life despite god, while a masterpeice, is too earnest and not artifical enough, to be extreme)
(so using yr inital examples:Mariah Carey--her hyper femminity, of course, but also using the edges of her instrument, and the sheer, crystaline, theatricality of that instrument, i want wayne kaustenbaum to write about carey, because in the 1991 period, she made herself an icon of craft, but she knew that an icon was being made, her diva like tendencies were considered to be part of not only an r and b tradition but something else entirely. their voices sound different, but in this peroid carey reminded me of nothing more then callas, and callas knew what she was doing (she was too crafty in fact, compare callas losing aristotle to jackie, with carey losing motalla to thalia)
Napoleon XIV's i have not heard this.
The Veronicas' "4ever" The veronicas realise that its perfectly okay to want to be a pop star and a punk star at the same time, to be coy and to fuck. there are threads of this in britney, but she was never punk enough and in avril but you never wanted to fuck her, and in ashlee but their is an autonomy missing. you know where joe simpson is in lala for example, you dont know where max martin is (does out svengaling the svengali have something to do with this?)
Boney M is not extreme for being eccletic, boney m is extreme for being so fucking weird. personal anecdote, when i was a teenager, i went to offically sanctioned lds dances, for all three years of high school, and there were large group dances, and slow dances, but also a strange attempt to control the eroticism of the situtation, it was the first place where i realised that eroticism of popular culture couldnt be contained, that it was forever leaking over the edges. we would dance to songs that seemed so out of it, so strange, and it shocked me that they were allowed, they included time warp, rasputin, ymca. i still dont know how a song about cruising in the bathrooms of a working class mens club got so huge, and i have no idea why time warp was allowed, but it was incredibly fun to dance to, but rasputin...rasputin allowed all of these tight, hard, cold, scared boys and girls (scared of sex, of pleasure, of the end of the world, of all sorts of things, the culture of the church was always a kind of paranoid fear) to dance in this theatrical, overly dramatic way, we acted int his kind of music hall pantomine, and at the end the bodies were stacked like cordwood into the next song--like rasputin was a kind of heretical mystical reworking of jesus, we were playing the same game, dying and rising again, like we would at the end of the world. i dont know if boney m meant any of that, but the self concicous theatricality of it gave us something before missions and marriages. (maybe thats what im talking about here, self concious theatricality)
Richard Harris' Wrong Song (Donna Summers version is the correct version of this song) the song you are thinking of wrt Harris is the Hive
Lindsay Lohan's video for "Confessions of a Broken Heart (Daughter to Father)" (this is the first video for a pop song that i ever turned off because it was too close to tabloid violence, it isnt reflective at all, and the theraticality is stage managed, the slippages are too raw to be extreme, the blood doesnt come from cornstarch and food colouring; i think what you might be looking for is the britney video for lucky, which does everything about fame that lohan's video does, but more knowingly, or britneys everytime, which talks about internal violence more theatrically) (or maybe im just obessed with how much the wounds in the video look like stigmata)
Johnny Ray (havent heard him enough)
The Shangri-Las were the place i started to love pop more then anything else, it was the place that let me into super pop...the sheer overwrought emotion, the real violence, the silence at the edges (is walking in the sand really about rape?), all makes it extreme, what might make it not is a dependence on authority figures (esp mothers, in the text and phil spector outside the text)
Little Richard for sure (what happens with the exteremity of little richard with the evil hoodoo of pat boone?)
― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 5 June 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― nameom (nameom), Monday, 5 June 2006 20:57 (seventeen years ago) link