I realised today that I don'treally like punk music

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mind you i'd say minor threat = hardcore.

hardcore is to punk what acorns are to oak trees, silly person.

but if punk is as diverse as you say, then why not ashlee simpson?

Just because a genre is diverse, that doesn't necessarily make it all-encompasing.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 November 2005 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

ok, why is ashlee less punk than the authors of 'when september ends'?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 21 November 2005 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

hardcore is to punk what acorns are to oak trees, silly person.

when is punk's cut-off point then? anyone who is inspired by punk, and anyone who inspired punk, is a punk?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 21 November 2005 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

hardcore is a direct descendent of punk. A stream-lined, arguably "purist" form to some.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 November 2005 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

If they say they were inspired by punk, then they were.

Unless they are lying.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 21 November 2005 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link

given scritti politi's trajectory, is nu-pop punk in the same way, alex?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 21 November 2005 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link

You can say you were inspired by Thomas Jefferson. But having read only his name in a 6th grade history book does not mean you have any idea what you're talking about.

― D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Monday, 21 November 2005 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link

so hardcore acts are certified by... you, i take it, as knowing their onions? and who might you be?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 21 November 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I just present arguments - I don't solve them!

― D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Monday, 21 November 2005 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Regarding Scritti Politti, might I recommend Simon Reynolds' exhaustive tome, Rip It Up & Start Again to examine the connections between New Pop and Punk, but yes, I'd say they're connected. I don't claim to be an authority however. That said, I know enough to be able to assert that Ashlee Simpson simply doesn't qualify as Punk.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 November 2005 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Are we supposed to quote David Berman now, or do I wait for someone to post a jpeg of Avril?

― A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Monday, 21 November 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

This was my problem from the first post-- what bands exactly does he not like? I'm still interested in knowing.

And yeah, if you think DEVO and the New York Dolls sound the same you're a fucking moron.

ps... always thought hardcore was short for... hardcore punk... but maybe Im just crazy

― 2 and 3 and 2 and 5, Monday, 21 November 2005 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

...y'know, unlike, say, Hip Hop.

Are you being "controversial" here?

― Dan (Get A New Hobby Horse Already) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 21 November 2005 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

ps... always thought hardcore was short for... hardcore punk... but maybe Im just crazy

I was going to cite that too, but I've seen arguments to the contrary.

...y'know, unlike, say, Hip Hop.

Are you being "controversial" here?

No, here I believe I was "being a dick," but by the same token, I'd assert with a straight-face that there's more diversity under the banner of Punk than there is under the banner of Hip Hop.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 November 2005 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link

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