― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link
The Wreckers way under-impressed, sadly.
― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Thursday, 25 May 2006 03:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link
(x-post)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link
supposedly this dude landed a recording & publishing deal with virgin/EMI...?
― mts (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 27 May 2006 03:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 27 May 2006 03:58 (eighteen years ago) link
John Shanks is producer on the whole thing and co-writes half, Shelly Peiken** also on as co-writer on four of those (she later was co-writer on Ashlee's great "Love Me For Me"): Shanks is going for full melody as he did with Michelle on "Everywhere" but also for strong rock, which Woodward augments with a P!nk burr, i.e., a basic soul-blues growl, w/ a slight tendency towards jazz scat in the melisma. Her voice is bigger than Michelle's, Ashlee's, or P!nk's, though bigger doesn't necessarily mean better, and in fact Woodward doesn't nearly convey as much personality as those three (and nothing in her lyrics come within miles of the thought or emotion you get in P!nk much less Ashlee). But there seems to be one lost classic - "Is This Hollywood" - and at least several more good ones.
(*There still is Lucy Woodward as you can find on her MySpace pages (two of 'em) but the direction seems more "legitimate")
(**Peiken a subject for further research; co-wrote a forgettable track on the first Lohan and the latest Backstreet Boys, but "Love Me For Me" and her four Woodward tracks leave me wanting to find out more.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 27 May 2006 12:48 (eighteen years ago) link
Also a good interview here, haven't read it all yet but interesting bit about "Done," which I compared (one line) to "Say Goodbye."
CW: Can you tell me more about the song “Done”? I read that you wrote that after 9/11.
LW: Yes, John and I wrote that again with Shelly Peiken. It was about three weeks after 9/11 and I lived in NY and I was home when it happened. And I went out to LA, where we were going to write and it was so much on everyone's mind because Shelly and John are both New Yorkers. It was kind of a time where no one really wanted to write or be creative it was so bizarre that whole month. Living in NY and no one knew what to do. Do we go back to work, do we go to the park? Explaining that to John and Shelly, we were all kind of angry about what happened. John had this drum track sample with some chords and we starting writing. I went over one night and we wrote the whole melody that night. Everything - verse, chorus, bridge, just came out in 25 min. and then the next day we started writing the lyrics together. Shelly and I started it and it just came out. We knew we were going to talk about hope and the warmth of the sun. We knew that on the first night that we wanted to make it hopeful and I don't know if we realized it was about 9/11 yet. Just that whole idea “I still feel the warmth of the sun” “no ones gonna knock me down” it could sound like a relationship song. Like someone broke up with me and I'll never let it happen again, but it was really about 9/11, the essence of it. While making it ambiguous so people can take it however they want.
― nameom (nameom), Saturday, 27 May 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― nameom (nameom), Saturday, 27 May 2006 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.dickdestiny.com/blog/2006/05/damone-rockers-who-like-nixon-went-to.html
― George 'the Animal' Steele, Sunday, 28 May 2006 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link
Kim-Lian - new single Road To Heaven is more grown up but great.Surferosa - cooler than your average teen-popper but amazing pop - recent single Royal Uniform is my fave.K-otic - now defunct Dutch group who made 2 fantastic albums - some videos here are about all that's left of them on the Internet.Chipz - Dutch Vengaboys-ish band, mostly novelty songs but 1001 Arabian Nights is good.
I have heaps more if you like these.
Jessica
― Jessica P, Monday, 29 May 2006 11:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 29 May 2006 14:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 29 May 2006 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link
One problem with the Ch!pz stuff I just saw is they don't completely trust being silly...in a Toy-Box video there wouldn't be any resolution or closure, things would just get sillier until all of a sudden everyone turned into a puff ball. These guys even explain that their Cap'n Hook fantasy was all a dream! Too much Steps, not enough Aqua (or, uh, Toy-Box)...but I like it, though.
― nameom (nameom), Monday, 29 May 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― nameom (nameom), Monday, 29 May 2006 15:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 29 May 2006 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 12:09 (eighteen years ago) link
Although Ch!pz are more like Steps than Toybox were, I'd say Ch!pz are really the true descendents of the Vengaboys while Toybox were just Aqua wannabes. There were a few other acts around the time doing the same, one I particularly remember being called Daze. They were Danish too and had a song called Superhero Lover. I'm downloading it now, as well as another of their songs called Tamagotchi! Some of their videos are here.
As for Sita, she is one of the acest pop stars ever and yet so unknown it's ridiculous. As K-otic were the Dutch equivalent of Hear'say, she became quite uncool despite her music being very good rock/pop (she also had songs written by Robyn, Alexis Strum and... Nik Kershaw!!) and is now doing music for much younger kids and it varies in quality.
― Jessica P, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:05 (eighteen years ago) link
I'm listening again to Jessica Simpson's "These Boots Are Made for Walkin'," which could be eligible for three of these rolling threads (teenpop, country, and reggaeton). I love the track, and interestingly for a dance number it has almost no bottom - for most of the song you only get one deep thump per measure. The rest of the rhythm is provided by handclaps and high-pitched elecroscrapes. Several people have criticized Jessica's breathy vocal, but I think if she'd sung in her normal warm, rich voice she'd have overpowered the track, which needs everything thin and high. And the rhythm itself is effective but perplexing (and unexpected for a country-leaning pop song). There are parts where at least part of the rhythm goes like this: Something close to the basic two-bar clave pattern, except that in the second bar, while the handclaps finish the clave, other percussion repeats the first bar (so you've got second bar and first bar going at once). The basic clave is "ONE and two AND three and FOUR and one and TWO and THREE and four and" (beats on the capitalized numbers; and note that this is a frequent Bo Diddley rhythm, too). "These Boots" basically does this clave but hits the ONE in the second bar: "ONE and two AND three and FOUR and ONE and TWO and THREE and four and" - but in that second bar, some of the percussion simply repeats the first bar, so we've got "ONE and TWO and THREE and four and" going simultaneously with "ONE and two AND three and FOUR and," which is unsettling. Oh, and this is only part of what's going on, and it's all played fast and light, so it's like mosquitos dancing.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link
I gotta take issue! If you can call what Aqua and Toy-Box were doing a genre (I'd call it a movement or a revolution or something but OK), then they both have merit. One thing that strikes me about Toy-Box in particular is the passion with which they follow silly ideas down rabbit holes. There are entire universes in (most of) their songs...like they say, they've created twelve adventures. And they were adventurous...and so were Aqua, and maybe so are Daze (haven't heard). But not Steps; they were just goofy (which isn't a bad thing, just safer). (xpost)
― nameom (nameom), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link
U.S. music has helped feed Europop - some Europop could be considered a simplified version of the Miami sound, and maybe the Bobby O sound is the U.S. version of Europop, 'cept he never hit big on the pop charts. A Europop song will come in and hit as a novelty ("Blue Da Bee" or "Mambo No. 5"), but it will never lead to a string of similar hits, and those songs will disappear everywhere but on Radio Disney. (At least they'll disappear in Denver, which doesn't have an official "dance" station. Radio Disney is the only place you hear Europop and techno.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link
Frank, did you know that the Veronicas actually co-wrote All About Us? I'm not sure of the exact story but I guess it was probably meant for the Veronicas then they decided it would suit t.A.T.u better.
― Jessica P, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link
And Daze - I found the video for their Tamagotchi song, it's quite brilliant.
― Jessica P, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 18:52 (eighteen years ago) link
Melissa still exists and is still making music, according to the woman who'd done promotion on Melicious (which was Lefton's second album; first one met exact same fate: was slated for release and then shelved).
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 18:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― don, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link
Sigh. I soooo wanted her to pick Pink Bulldozer. But good manifesto (as manifestoes go).
[That is from Skye Sweetnam's MySpace profile, as if you couldn't tell.]
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link
Any thoughts about what the tour title should be?
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link
And fer cryin' out loud I leave for three days and she names her damn album!!! At least someone (including her) could still use Pink Bulldozer in the future (silver lining).
― nameom (nameom), Thursday, 1 June 2006 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link
Angry Samoans now in her top 8 myspace friends; also, in the photo captioned "oh oh food" she's wearing an Angry Samoans T-shirt. New bio (excerpted by Frank above) is very wacky. Is there a release date for the album yet?
― xhuxk, Thursday, 1 June 2006 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link
Album still due in mid to late August as far as I know (last info said it was slated somewhere around Aug 13, ...checking caldendar more likely the 14th).
― nameom (nameom), Friday, 2 June 2006 01:17 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.alyandaj.com/boards/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7104
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link
(This from someone in Germany who wants to see it and thinks it will be a good movie because it's romantic.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link
Results 1 - 2 of about 3 from myspace.com for +"Donovan's Reef" +"Ashlee Simpson".
Results 1 - 1 of about 2 from myspace.com for +"Ludwig Wittgenstein" +"Ashlee Simpson".
Your search - site:myspace.com +"unknown tongue" +"Ashlee Simpson" - did not match any documents.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 2 June 2006 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link
If you mean me (I'm not a Francis), the only e-address I've got is this one.
edcasual at earthlink dot net
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 2 June 2006 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link
Also take yer picture with a Frosty from Wendys and get it posted on Brie Larson's Myspace page.
― nameom (nameom), Friday, 2 June 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link
IM more spelling than speech, though there are prob'ly effects on speech patterns, mainly white incorporating black (e.g., "foo" for "fool," "lub" for "luv," "iz for r," "datz" for "that's," "fosho" for "for sure").
Then of course there's the title of the second Fannypack album, which is spelled in reverse IM-speak, words substituted for single letters rather than vice versa See You Next Tuesday.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 3 June 2006 03:58 (seventeen years ago) link
I've always heard it like that. There's a Busdriver song (not teenpop[?]) that has L-O-L but he makes the mistake of following it up with "laugh out loud." Whereas Ashlee follows it with "Oh, V-E." Nikki/Brittney translates the IM-speak when necessary for the rhyme but otherwise lets it go (and she knew that everyone would know what LOL stood for five years ago, unlike Busdriver who is clever but not as clever as Nikki Cleary).
Since it's not written out in the liner notes, here's the real life conversation Brittney has with two random girls in the studio whose names are Carly Bartelsen and Alyson Madell (credited with "girl talk")...for posterity's sake. Translated into IM-speak and then partially backtranslated.
Brittney: wassup QTs ;)girltalker1 [carly or alyson, "stephanie" in this exchange]: not much here :)girltalker2 [alyson or carly, not "stephanie"]: same here :)Brittney: did u c that note stephanie got from mike? :Ogirl2: no what did it saygirl1: omg[osh] he said our relationship wasnt going newheregirl2: he doesnt evn no what thatmeans >:O[girls roffle]girl2: did u get yr hw done?girl1: i was tryin 2 but realy iming Brittney: OMG[osh] hes such a hottie ;)girl2: hey guys i g2ggirl1: yea me too my mom was yellingirl2: bye babe lylBrittney: ok ttyl sweetie [actually spelled out t-t-y-l] ;)girl2: ttyl :)girl1: bye
From Brittney: "Hi! My name is Brittney and if you're anything like me, you LOVE to instant message your friends. When my producers asked me what I wanted my first single to be about, I knew right away. I wanted to sing about talking to my girlfriends online. I love I.M.ing and I even have my own website where you can learn more about me and my music. Listen to my new song and let me know how you like it! Check out my website: www.brittneycleary.com I'm waiting to hear from you! ♥ Brittney"
― nameom (nameom), Saturday, 3 June 2006 04:57 (seventeen years ago) link
The Platinum Weird album is due on Aug. 22. On June 29 there's going to be something about Platinum Weird on VH-1 (don't know if it's going to be a full-scale mockumentary or just a teaser). Platinum Weird is Dave Stewart and Kara DioGuardi, but also seems to have been originally conceived as the story of a fictional band from 1974 featuring the mysterious and elusive Erin Grace. Look upthread for further info. The (comparatively mediocre*) "Loneley Eyes"** is streamed on one of several Platinum Weird sites.
*mediocre in comparison to "Avalanche," the one other Platinum Weird song I've heard, not to mention in comparison to "Fly" and "Come Clean" and any Ashlee song ever and most Lindsay songs and "Sweet Dreams" and "Sexcrime (1984)" etc. etc. I suppose since this was conceived as fiction, the mediocrity of the lyrics could be DioGuardi and Stewart's way of being true to the character or Erin as they conceived her, but still... Here's the first verse and chorus, and the second verse is just as so-what:
"What kind of world stays upside downWhat kind of river won't let me drownWhat kind of road just won't connect(?)What kind of life have I foundIt's hard to face the future when you're movin' backward
"I've got lonely eyes and they've seen better daysI've been lost before but not without a traceWhat I'm looking for is somewhere in my pastAnd these lonely eyes will never take me back"
**"Loneley" is their spelling (at least on that site).
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 3 June 2006 05:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 3 June 2006 05:17 (seventeen years ago) link
What's up with the fictional little back-story about Erin Grace...is Kara going to be voicing Erin?
I hope not! Kara: you deserve need the spotlight! I don't want to see you lending your voice to some other girl so she can walk around on stage lipsyncing (see: Hilary Duff).
I just want to see a performance! Please! :D
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 3 June 2006 05:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― nameom (nameom), Saturday, 3 June 2006 06:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 3 June 2006 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link