"He owns eleven pairs of sneakers, hasn't worn anything but jeans in a year, and won't shut up about the latest Death Cab For Cutie CD. But he is no kid. He is among the ascendant breed of grown-up w

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"BWAHAHAHAHA"

i'd know that evil laugh anywhere.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

So going solely by the photos that accompanied the article, I gotta assume this is a 100 percent white phenomenon.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I need to scan and post that picture of me in my Jo Jo Gunne onesie.

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

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uh, no thanks

-- team jaxon (jaso...), April 4th, 2006 11:14 PM. (jaxon) (link)

OTM

Good thread, though. I'm 32 and fit some of the descriptions, but I don't have a kid.

josh in sf (stfu kthx), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Thank god I don't have to raise my kids in New York.

hey now, new york's a fine place to raise kids. nobody forces you to buy $200 jeans or deathcab cds. i think all the jeans i've bought in the last three years might add up to $200.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

So going solely by the photos that accompanied the article, I gotta assume this is a 100 percent white phenomenon.

OTM

regular roundups (Dave M), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

it is New York magazine.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Neal Pollack is repulsive.

My Psychic Friends Are Strangely Silent (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

These people are the reason I refuse to take part in any SXSW related events.

bubster, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

"This is an obituary for the generation gap."

wrong

typical myspace generation teenagers apparently:

part of emo culture
myspace profile with loads of dorky emo bands listed
no interest in politics
uses myspace to get laid
listens to panic at the disco and hawthorne heights
reads alternative press

vs

typical US indie rock robot 30something

reads magnet magazine and paste
reads pitchfork
uses friendster
reads stereogum daily
is a yupster: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yupster

indicative music tastes

Stereogum Readers Poll: Top 20 Albums Of 2005
http://www.stereogum.com/archives/002180.html

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I won't front either; I read Pitchfork, use MySpace/Friendster, wear thrift store Ts, etc. Ain't nothing wrong with that as long as you have your priorities straight. I think we need to separate "dads that still keep up with cool music" from "dads (and moms) who have to be obnoxious about it."

mike a, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

death cab for cutie is not cool music

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

neal pollack responds:

On the one hand, I recognize that it can only be good for my book to have it identified by New York Magazine as a key document of a genuine sociological phenomenon. On the other hand, I sound like a lunatic nimrod in the article. Perhaps I was drunk when Adam Sternbergh interviewed me. Or high, which is sometimes a possibility. Regardless, people are going to read the piece and think that I'm a guy who sits around telling his kid that the TV shows he watches "suck."

...To me, the main tenets of "alternaparenting" are as follows: General skepticism (but not total rejection) of mainstream corporate parenting culture, encouraging creativity and imagination above all else, and, like the New York article hammers home, an unwillingness of the parents to completely put their own youth behind them. But it doesn't neglect the basics, either. Any decent parent of any aesthetic needs to provide their kids with food, clothing, shelter, discipline, and love. It's just that this generation of parents has added "sharing your DVD collection" to that list of essentials. I have trouble seeing how that's a bad thing.

A couple of other points, related to the article: I don't own a pair of jeans that cost more than $30. And I really do reject this idea that our kids are going to "become Republicans."

...So anyway, in the end, I'm proud to be part of this generation of parents, even if I'm already well on my way to being canonized as that generation's most clueless idiot.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

"In summary, my book is about nothing at all, actually"

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

you missed the part where he said "sharing your dvd collection" -- which is obviously something previous generations didn't do! a keen insight.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Man, hanging out with Dave Eggers ought to qualify you for worker's comp.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

DJ Martian's statistical obsessions paid off! Good call, spaceboy.

mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Being single, childless and social has its advantages.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link

"Alternaparenting." Ugh. If only I could get past that name.

mike a, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link

If only I could get past the fact that it sounds like every generation's tenets and principles of raising children since the adoption of child-labor laws, if not the Renaissance.

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link

when i was a kid all i listened to was my parent's CCR and Rolling Stones greatest hits records....they were early alternaparents! amazing, mom!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:36 (eighteen years ago) link

On NPR last week there was a piece about all these bars in Park Slope that have happy hours for parents and kids. I have to admit it sounded kind of nice to sit around hanging out in a bar with some friends, not worrying about having my kid running around. On the other hand, it seems a little irresponsible.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link

kids drink free!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i think our kid was in a bar before he was four months old. it's harder now that he can run around, but we still take him out sometimes. not to, like, annoyingly crowded places, but nice neighborhood pubs or whatever, why not?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:52 (eighteen years ago) link

It's a sign times have changed -- 100 years ago Carrie Nation would have been chopping you up with an ax for that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

My dad took me to the bar all the time and I turned out totally drunk.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

it's harder now that he can run around, but we still take him out sometimes. not to, like, annoyingly crowded places, but nice neighborhood pubs or whatever, why not?

I guess I just picture 20 kids running amok and parents sipping blood orange martinis and not paying attention. I don't have any problem bringing a kid to a bar.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean specifically this "trend" in Park Slope that aims to provide mommy & me happy hour.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link

if you don't start them young yr kids are going to turn out to be total pussies and lightweights....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I took my daughter to a bar when she was only 3 weeks old and drank a pint at the bar wearing the baby sling thing. It felt kind of weird so I didn't do it again. Bars are depressing enough without throwing bored children into the equation.

everything, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

So going solely by the photos that accompanied the article, I gotta assume this is a 100 percent white phenomenon.

Like about every trend involving indie-rock?

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

What that story conveniently overlooks is the fact that even at a very young age, while kids may not yet espouse taste, per se, they do have preferences. It doesn't matter what I play my 17-month old daughter when she's clearly asking to watch Boobah or listen to "The Wheels on the Bus" for the fifth time. These "alternaparents" must have a bunch of screaming, fit-throwing kids if they're trying to foist something like Death Cab for Cutie on them, since no toddler in his or her right mind would request the stuff. I'm far more curious what she'll pick out of my CD and DVD collection - if anything - when she's old enough to care.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

"it hurts my head like 100 dogs"

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link

ah, good times:

What Should We Be Playing The Baby?

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

poor cyrus, he gets nothing but metal. we'll see what that does. he's too little to tell me what he wants to hear though. rufus is not a metal fan, thanks to me. he calls it monster music. he likes country. and kidz stuff. he really does love those wiggles. and the doodlebops. and the baby einsteins.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

early indications with our kid show a preference for big bright beats in any genre, and also arpeggiated guitar. (a couple times when some guitar thing has come on, he's gone over and picked up his toy guitar and started thwacking it, like he knows that this is the instrument that's supposed to make that sound.)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

iFor the first time in twenty years, Tom Gabriel Fischer and Martin Eric Ain are walking together among us. The two Swiss death artists first butted heads in the early 1980s with the ur-dirge group Hellhammer, a touchstone for all fledgling black metal and death metal. Their image and means of expression were extreme, outsider cries that challenged musical orthodoxy and made a lot of people uncomfortable. When Celtic Frost formed in 1984, the rate of development was phenomenally fast. Over the course of three magnificent albums, Fischer and Ain forged a durable kind of metal that deserves enormous credit for turning heavy metal into music of substance. A failed glam experiment minus Ain followed, and a tentative effort to reclaim past glory in 1990 showed that time stood still for no band. Now however -- after more than a decade of years quietly marked by Fischer’s autobiography, his electronic metal outfit, a slew of Celtic Frost reissues, and mostly silence -- we have MONOTHEIST. Joined by Apollyon Sun guitarist Erol Unala – who has since left the band -- and new drummer Franco Sesa, Fischer and Ain have created a massively dire apparition that strike slower and deeper than their ‘80s output. The trademark evocative interludes are represented, but the meat of MONOTHEIST are mountainous Alpine dirges in the key of B, where the groaning guitars of bygone days are elevated to something truly seismic. The two collaborators arrived in New York on Ash Wednesday 2006, and were delighted to see businesspeople strolling the sidewalks with cult-like black smears on their foreheads. Ain, the product of a religious upbringing, happily smeared an inverted cross into his forehead. In fact, Ain and Fischer make a jovial pair, continually cracking harsh jokes at the expense of themselves and their companions. But when discussion turns to MONOTHEIST and Celtic Frost, they become serious and hard as granite. Though their proclamations are lofty and they remain addicted to grand gestures, Ain and Fischer are prepared to back up their postures with every ounce of their considerable aggregated force. After a long fitful slumber, the emperors have returned to slay the imposters.

Noodles & Pappy (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

such a great album. you should have put that on the monotheist thread, ian:


I Have To Start An Official ILM Celtic Frost - Monotheist Thread

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link

my gf thinks Pat Kiernan is secretly a hipster, which I don't get, but you can note a condescendingly sardonic tone to his voice when he has to read puff pieces off the teleprompter.
he does rule tho.

-- midi sanskrit (nutramentmik...) (webmail), February 24th, 2006 8:56 PM. (sanskrit) (link) (admin) (userip)

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Thursday, 6 April 2006 05:47 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/books/basic/img/basic2_lg.jpg

smokemon (eman), Thursday, 6 April 2006 11:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Martian OTM.

I am realizing now that these are the people who actually buy magnet magazine

banana squad (dayvidday), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, man. Gurps is like my Velocity Girl.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Oops, I shoulda capitalized that. See, it's been a while.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Is GURPS for yupsterS?

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

GURPS is for the nerdiest nerds in the nerd patch.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link

the nils?!

Seriously, THE The Nils?!?!?!?!?!

Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 6 April 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, ILM-heavy demographic, but how many people were actually listening to Joy Division and Killing Joke in the 80s? What about the 10 million teenagers who were listening to Phil Collins and Iron Maiden? Where's their fucking trendy handle?

Agh, Scott, the Doodlebops. I can't stand them.

Favorite Wiggles tune: "Our Boat Is Rocking On The Sea"

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 6 April 2006 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

"Where's their fucking trendy handle?"

they get to be called "bobos" or something equally as lovely.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I only happened upon this site b/c: (1) I read New York magazine, which occasionally has amusing articles about mad rich people similar to those in Vanity Fair; and (2) I noticed that reference to The Nils in the article and had been Googling it ever since to see if any actual fans of The Nils picked up on the reference. Actually, The Nils are/were so sadly unknown outside of that I'd be amazed if that writer actually knows anybody who listens to them. That said, if anybody ever gets the chance to discover them (or the later incarnation, the band "Chino") you'll be richly rewarded with the best melodic post-hardcore (or "folkcore," which was actually a word once coined long ago to describe Husker Du) ever. The songwriter/singer Alex Soria was a contemporary of Husker Du and the Replacements who was as gifted as those other groups, not at all self pitying or artsy but just enormously humble and sadly doomed to a life of addiction, which ended when he jumped in front of a train two years ago. Seriously. Just a plug for a criminally unknown songwriter who deserved better.

Terence Friedman, Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link


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