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actually, my review ran today in the stranger - my thoughts are a smidgeon more lucid there...

http://thestranger.com/2004-11-18/music4.html

stevie (stevie), Friday, 19 November 2004 13:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, definitely for fans only. And if you are a fan it's pretty dissapointing in as much as you probably already have everything on the box via bootlegs. Most of the reviews I've seen so far have been predictably reverent. Although the Word piece seemed a little suspicious and the review in the new Mojo pans it pretty hard and points out that Courtney may be saving the best stuff off Cobain's home tapes for a "solo release" where she gets all the money.

mcorte, Friday, 19 November 2004 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link

The best part of this is the DVD. In fact, for big fans I'd say that it's the only reason to buy it.

Like the Beatles, Nirvana has been so thoroughly bootlegged that I'm not really sure what is useful about this release other than the DVD. I mean, how many hard core fans haven't bothered to pick up the bootlegs via trading circles or Bit Torrent over the past three years. The extra three years it took to deliver this set probably cost 100,000 in sales--at least that many people, probably more, got all these tracks in comparable quality for free. Wake up, record labels.

don weiner, Friday, 19 November 2004 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

And if you are a fan it's pretty dissapointing in as much as you probably already have everything on the box via bootlegs.

Advantageously for me, perhaps, while I consider myself something of a fan I never shelled out for the bootlegs (file searching, that I could have done, but I was downloading other things). So in respects, this set sounds perfect for the likes of me!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 November 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Same here, bought maybe 1 Nirvana boot, none of which is duplicated here.

I don't think you can really blame Nirvana for releasing these tracks. "You can't sell that music, we already bought a shoddier version off those guys who bootlegged you". That doesn't make sense. I love bootlegs but come on, these guys aren't exactly Robin Hood, y'know?

stevie (stevie), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, of course. But it's always galling when they mark tracks with 'previously unreleased' and you have had them for years..

(e.g. Beatles Anthology)

And the Sex Pistols where the tracks had actually been released on 'semi-legal' albums...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone who's shelled out cash for bootlegs in the past couple of years either doesn't have internet access or is generally ignorant to the bootleg market. This isn't meant as criticism to you Ned or Stevie, just pointing out that I think you are hopefully exceptions to the rule. Thankfully, the internet has seriously damaged the bootleg market to the point where I really can't believe it exists for things like "Ultra Rare Trax" and the like.

Still, record companies and artists should hold an advantage--while the recordings may have leaked over the years, we're still at a point where a beautiful booklet/liners can make a difference to a buyer. Personal photos and effects create value that give the labels a competitive advantage over the bootleggers; again, I don't see this as a lasting advantage, but it's current enough that it should be properly leveraged.

don weiner, Friday, 19 November 2004 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Thankfully, the internet has seriously damaged the bootleg market to the point where I really can't believe it exists for things like "Ultra Rare Trax" and the like.

Yeah, I was about to say -- Kiss the Stone isn't around any more, are they?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Booklet is nice (tho no gullick pix - dumb courtney). its a nice object... i like the way the tracks tell the story of the band so completely as well. this is definitely more the nirvana i loved than the greatest hits last year (or Journals, for that matter, or MTV Unplugged or Wishkah)

stevie (stevie), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Great Stranger piece, Stevie -- now I'm all excited to buy it again!

Nostalgia for the Old Cineramadome (Ben Boyer), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks ben... it really is the bees knees!

stevie (stevie), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

torrent url anyone?

i know it's out there

wetetr, Friday, 19 November 2004 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link

The extra three years it took to deliver this set probably cost 100,000 in sales--at least that many people, probably more, got all these tracks in comparable quality for free. Wake up, record labels.

Around the third or fourth time the set was being announced as delayed, around summer 2002, was when I decided to make my own boxed set by downloading as much of the Outcesticide tracks, Peel Sessions, Rio Sessions, etc, as I could find and putting them onto 3 CD's. I find it downright lame that Krist Novoselic claimed he had access to such fantastic music when it was all just the same stuff the fans have heard already. So come November 23rd, I'll be spending my money on the 8 songs I've never heard, at least 4 of which I'm sure sound are in shit quality, and the DVD.

billstevejim, Saturday, 20 November 2004 02:18 (nineteen years ago) link

They STILL are not going to officially release that KISS cover???

For fuck's sake!

asdf troll, Saturday, 20 November 2004 02:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Whoa, you're right! I forgot that one.
DO YOU LOVE MEEEE!!!!????

Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Saturday, 20 November 2004 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

It IS officially released. It's on the C/Z Records Kiss tribute compilation. I have the CD.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 20 November 2004 03:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Well yeah, but seeing as how they gathered up all the other comp tracks and b-sides as far as I can tell, it's conspicuous in its absence.

Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:03 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, I get you. I was just being pedantic about the "officially released" thing.

Actually, what pisses ME off is that this thing apparently doesn't include the finished version of "You Know You're Right" (instead, just a demo). I mean, how fucking annoying is THAT? I still refuse to buy that stupid greatest hits cd.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Well thats exactly why it's not on here, because that GH would become completely worthless except perhaps to 10 year old who've never heard Nirvana and blah blah blah etc.

I own one of course.

Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I did not realize C/Z Records still existed. I got it on a high-quality 4/c offset and silkscreen printed bootleg CD that has a "record label" name, too, so I guess even that is an official release of some sort.

Incidentally, has anyone else noticed bootlegs are all color copies or epson print-outs these days? I miss the glorious days of high quality $20 bootlegs just before Napster came out.

asdf troll, Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:44 (nineteen years ago) link

3 good songs only

mullato, Saturday, 20 November 2004 07:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I have now read reviews that don't linger so much on Mr C's demise, they make it sound a bit more cheery.

I might buy that Greatest Hits thing instead.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Saturday, 20 November 2004 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Holy mackerel.

got the box for Xmas.

so so good.

Kurt was amazing. He really was. What a fun guy. I just love the Bleach-era stuff -- he had such great control over his voice.

Best white-boy screamer since Lennon. I suppose i should append that statement with a "...maaaaaan". But whatever. It's so fuckin' true.

I love that first disc on the box. 'White lace & strange', 'anerexorcist', etc. ... that IS the Nirvana I fell in love with.

that's the Nirvana that ruled my world when I saw them in 1990 with Tad at the Blind Pig in Ann Arbor.

Heavy fuckin' metal.

god bless kurt. rock and roll

Stormy Davis (diamond), Monday, 3 January 2005 09:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Is "Do You Love Me "good enough to be a single
It IS officially released. It's on the C/Z Records Kiss tribute compilation. I have the CD.
who sings on hiden track ?

snappers whipper, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 06:30 (nineteen years ago) link

wake up
they had 3 songs that were ok

snappers whipper, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 06:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Re: that picture.

I didn't realize that Anthony Kiedis and Andy Kaufman were the other two guys in Nirvana.

The Mad Puffin, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I posted about it on another thread, but this fuckin rules. Favorite tracks: They Hung Him On A Cross, Even In His Youth, Aneurysm demo, acoustic sliver, clean up before she comes, anorexorcist, scentless apprentice jam, gallons of rubbing alcohol...

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:51 (nineteen years ago) link

There's all sorts of stuff that didn't make the box. Like the single version of Moist Vagina, stuff off the "Blew" ep, the Sub Pop 200 version of Spank Thru, Krist's drunken phone call off the "Sliver" 7".
Still, an amazing trek...

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

is the side of crowd-banter from the muddy banks LP available anywhere?

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

who sings on hiden track ?

I only wish that that was really Tom Waits.

Pleasant Plains ///, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

is the side of crowd-banter from the muddy banks LP available anywhere?

"You called me a vagina? How dare you!"

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link

On second thought, maybe the person on the left is Cher. Dude on the right is definitely Andy Kaufman, though.

The Mad Puffin, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link

six months pass...
Hey, I just bought this down the 'closing down' MVC in Basingstoke for £25.

Working through it..

Played about a third of the DVD yesterday.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 09:08 (eighteen years ago) link

...and your verdict so far, Mr. Grout?

it's ALL too loud, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 10:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Umm, so far so good. As mentioned upthread, CD1 is one for hearing once and putting away, which is as far as I've got so far. (About a girl, to be precise)

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 11:16 (eighteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

does any other of do re mi even exist?

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 11 September 2013 21:07 (ten years ago) link

I'm only aware of the bedroom demo. It was probably written too soon before their feb 94 shows for any other demos let alone a full band version.

sup (billstevejim), Thursday, 12 September 2013 15:51 (ten years ago) link

I'd quite like a disc of songs not on any of the four studio albums, not particularly interested in alternate takes or demos or what have you. Does such a thing exist?

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 12 September 2013 15:59 (ten years ago) link

Not really, all of the b-side and non-album tracks are piled in with the alternate takes and demos on the With the Lights Out box, they've never really had a single disc non-album comp. Some of the Outcesticide bootlegs might get you closer, but a lot of those are live tracks, not necessarily b-side stuff.

JACK SQUAT about these Charlie Nobodies (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 September 2013 16:09 (ten years ago) link

BEANS BEANS BEANS, JACKIE ATE SOME BEANS

Poliopolice, Thursday, 12 September 2013 16:44 (ten years ago) link

NAKED NAKED NAKED, HE WAS SITTING CROSS-LEGGED

how's life, Thursday, 12 September 2013 16:47 (ten years ago) link

I'd quite like a disc of songs not on any of the four studio albums, not particularly interested in alternate takes or demos or what have you. Does such a thing exist?

― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:59 AM (54 minutes ago)

Haha, I think you've answered your own question here! Incesticide is precisely what you're referring to and is not a studio album.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 12 September 2013 16:57 (ten years ago) link

Yeah I knew that, kind of wishing for Incesticide II really! There seems to be enough material knocking around.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 12 September 2013 17:09 (ten years ago) link

Oh sorry, I thought you didn't know that because you said four studio albums (they only had three: Bleach / Nevermind / In Utero).

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 12 September 2013 20:30 (ten years ago) link

is there actually much material left that isn't on those four albums?

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 12 September 2013 20:42 (ten years ago) link

Blandest is pretty great. Why wasn't that on Incesticide?

Poliopolice, Thursday, 12 September 2013 21:21 (ten years ago) link

it also has maybe the single best Nirvana lyric (and it's the chorus!): "I need you around to remind me what not to become"

Poliopolice, Thursday, 12 September 2013 21:22 (ten years ago) link

Oh sorry, I thought you didn't know that because you said four studio albums (they only had three: Bleach / Nevermind / In Utero).

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli)

My fault for not having having stringent definitions; in my head Incesticide is a studio album because it's a collection of songs that were recorded in a studio.

is there actually much material left that isn't on those four albums?

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.),

Glancing through the tracklist of the box I can see a decent album's worth of extra studio recordings (not necessarily Cobain compositions, mind).

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 12 September 2013 22:05 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

Corpse Cobain more profitable than ever.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 April 2015 18:00 (nine years ago) link

What, are there new unreleased recordings or something?

a mad urea nub (how's life), Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link


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