so so i just started doing this paleo diet thing - feels like it should be bullshit. is it?

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idk man although i am def not obese or anything, i am not the healthiest dude on the planet but i eat way too much processed crap out of laziness, and way too few vegetables thx to my ability to buy stuff and then let it spoil so i figured why not try a 30 day run at this? 2 days in and feel good, food is tasty etc, but that makes me feel like this could be some bullshit atkins thing.

note - i am not going whole hog and not drinking, because liquor makes me healthy and strong.

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 20 September 2012 06:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

i definitely felt healthier and lost weight, even while boozing, doing this, but i got lazy w/ it

upset and upsetting (electricsound), Thursday, 20 September 2012 06:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

guys, i'm sure i don't need to say it but paleo diet + booze is sort of missing the point.

let's have a look at what you ate for your first two days.

dylannn, Thursday, 20 September 2012 06:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

I see what you are saying, but I am pretty sure that McDonald's/tombstone oven pizza/French dip + au gratin potatoes + fancy beer is going to lose out vs paleo + fancy beet but I guess time will tell.

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 20 September 2012 07:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ha esp if "fancy beet" was true

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 20 September 2012 07:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

but fancy beer is no better for body composition than coors light is! i get what you're saying, though.

dylannn, Thursday, 20 September 2012 07:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh no I get that, in fact I was kinda doing a wink wink because I am sure that fancy beer is actually worse than coors light tbh

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 20 September 2012 07:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

i have mostly quit grains and it feels good man. i thought i needed them to not feel hungry but i do not. however i am never doing the paleo diet because i also like nightshade vegetables and legumes and wine. however nevertheless although i have discovered i love beef after not eating it for like 8 years.

horribl ecreature (harbl), Thursday, 20 September 2012 11:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

pork is another story but maybe i can work on it

horribl ecreature (harbl), Thursday, 20 September 2012 11:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

to answer the question i suspect it is partially bullshit

horribl ecreature (harbl), Thursday, 20 September 2012 12:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

guys, i'm sure i don't need to say it but paleo diet + booze is sort of missing the point.

Diet "fascism" is just the weirdest thing to me. Like, it's possible to loosely (even very loosely) follow the guidelines of a particular diet for the sake of eating a little better. I'm gonna start calling myself a vegan just to see how many heads explode when I eat a cheeseburger.

That said, paleo makes a lot of sense in terms of eliminating processed stuff and eating more lean protein. I've only ever been an 85% adherist at best, but I definitely felt better once I went that route.

Old Lunch, Thursday, 20 September 2012 12:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

The thing with most diets is that you really have to stay on them in order to keep the weight off; if you go back to old eating habits, you will go back to your old weight

I just started counting the calories of my meals this week and its amazing how much more food you can eat if its low-fat and cooked simply just by that metric alone. Also beer is the devil ;_;

Current goal is to drop 5 lbs and then add in exercise to accelerate the process

wtf where's my chapbook (DJP), Thursday, 20 September 2012 12:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

Diet "fascism" is just the weirdest thing to me. Like, it's possible to loosely (even very loosely) follow the guidelines of a particular diet for the sake of eating a little better.

This. I've been eating paleo for over seven years but don't have a problem with the occasional drink or whatever when out. What's important is that I'm not buying non-paleo foods at the grocery store every week and having them at home.

fit and working again, Thursday, 20 September 2012 13:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

McDonald's/tombstone oven pizza/French dip + au gratin potatoes + fancy beer

mmm

i think the paleo diet is an good diet with an incredibly silly rationale tbh

human centipede hz (thomp), Thursday, 20 September 2012 13:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

i've been paleo for 4 months now. i dropped about 25lbs while also getting stronger. It takes some time and effort to plan meals and stuff but i really don't see myself eating any other way again. I do allow myself a seldom fancy beer but i'm talking like one bomber maybe twice a month.

carne asada, Thursday, 20 September 2012 13:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

The thing with most diets is that you really have to stay on them in order to keep the weight off; if you go back to old eating habits, you will go back to your old weight

i really don't even think of it as a "diet" in the sense of any diet i've ever been on before. It's just become the way i eat now , i don't ever get the feeling like i'm missing something that i have to go back to.

carne asada, Thursday, 20 September 2012 13:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

i've not gone paleo but loosely just trying to eat vegan a few times a week, and save meat for a treat, in the last month. have lost about 3/4 of a stone and people already commenting. this is combined with exercise.

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

never quitting fancy beer tho.

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

i also cut out refined carbs as far as possible.

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

apart from fancy beer as mentioned.

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

i really don't even think of it as a "diet" in the sense of any diet i've ever been on before. It's just become the way i eat now , i don't ever get the feeling like i'm missing something that i have to go back to.

ya carne, that's what I was getting at

cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

I feel like a lot of the evolutionary arguments are somewhere between questionable and bunk, but it's hard to go wrong with "meat/fish plus a metric ass-ton of non-starchy vegetables" as your primary food source.
Strict paleo-ists lose me when they talk about legumes being the devil. I don't like beans but they've been a pretty successful diet staple for mankind and I sincerely doubt you can trace any uptick in obesity to them.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah but legumes are like the least exciting thing to not be allowed to eat so it's nbd to me

carne asada, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

leg∞mes

carne asada, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

I thought the whole anti-beans thing was just because they cause some people gi distress. But, yeah, it seems like bunkum to be anti-beans.

Old Lunch, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

That said, paleo makes a lot of sense in terms of eliminating processed stuff and eating more lean protein.

Fair enough, but "eliminating processed stuff and eating more lean protein" is not so much "paleo" as "every popular diet regimen since 1970"

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

i ate paleo for a couple months and it was p great i had lots of energy and got ripped, it was really too intense for me to stick with tho, but since then ive ate kinda paleoish, rarely any grains or processed sugar, lots of fruit and green vegetables, only dairy i really eat is in tea or coffee and i put butter on things for sure, i use salt but often ill eat a meal w/o adding any, i cheat more often than when i was going hardcare, have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich w/e here or there, prob my biggest deviation is that i eat a lot of fatty meat, i also drink booze and eat pickled foods and legumes, so it p lax compared to the real thing but its a way healthier diet than before i did paleo

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

empedocles was a proto-paleo anti-bean crazer & he threw himself into mt etna, which may be a salutary tale for the zealots

ogmor, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

i ate paleo for a couple months and it was p great i had lots of energy and got ripped

Wait, that's the one weird tip?

kinder, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

i ate paleo for a couple months and it was p great i had lots of energy and got ripped, it was really too intense for me to stick with tho, but since then ive ate kinda paleoish, rarely any grains or processed sugar, lots of fruit and green vegetables, only dairy i really eat is in tea or coffee and i put butter on things for sure, i use salt but often ill eat a meal w/o adding any, i cheat more often than when i was going hardcare, have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich w/e here or there, prob my biggest deviation is that i eat a lot of fatty meat, i also drink booze and eat pickled foods and legumes, so it p lax compared to the real thing but its a way healthier diet than before i did paleo

butter and fatty meat are both popular w/ paleo people - unlike Atkins/etc. they're big on fats

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

x-post - lol

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

idk I'm inclined to think that paleo is BS but I think that of most fad diets. Eat less, move more. It's not rocket science but it is hard to adhere to.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

butter and fatty meat are both popular w/ paleo people - unlike Atkins/etc. they're big on fats

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:27 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

atkins loves fat you can eat all the bacon you want, paleo is lean meats no dairy, tho there are a lot of home brew paleo variants out there, but if you read the book fat is def out

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

idk I'm inclined to think that paleo is BS but I think that of most fad diets.

― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:28 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tautology^

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

xp: I was gonna say that seemed to be exactly backwards

cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

and eat less move more is all well and good but to deny that the human body reacts differently to different types of food is kinda w/e

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

xxxxp Yeah, lean meats are stressed in Cordain's book but others state that is unsustanable. I found myself craving hamburger when I was living on chicken and salmon and when I started eating beef etc. again I was much happier.

fit and working again, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

fuck eating less i feel like i eat a shit ton more on paleo xp

carne asada, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

Cordain's book is good on the science but Neanderthin is a better guide to doing this.

fit and working again, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

at first i did eat more fatty meat to kind help me cope with the lack of carbs, but after a month i really have a good balance of lean meats and more fattier cuts at times.

carne asada, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

just eat more fancy beets. you'll feel like a million bucks!

Broney, Pt. 1 (Pillbox), Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

ah, should have said I mostly know paleo from Robb Wolf and the Mark's Daily Apple guy, they're both pretty pro-fat

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

just eat more fancy beets. you'll feel like a million bucks!

perhaps true!
http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/nutrition/Never-Miss-a-Beet.html

I want to try beet juice, but the only way I can find it locally is at Whole Foods, mixed w/ carrot and ginger for $5/12 oz

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i mostly know Robb Wolf stuff

carne asada, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

its funny how everyone is allowed their own paleo, i guess the idea re fat is that before agriculture fatty meat and butter did not exist, and then in the book theyll tell you abt the metabolic science behind it

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

livin in you own private paleo

carne asada, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

I want to try beet juice, but the only way I can find it locally is at Whole Foods, mixed w/ carrot and ginger for $5/12 oz

lol - now that you mention it, I remember reading this a while back: http://gawker.com/5929716/all-the-olympic-athletes-are-guzzling-beet-juice

Broney, Pt. 1 (Pillbox), Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm not the type that's gonna cut anything out on a permanent basis but i do think paleo is really, really useful for being mindful of your grain intake vis a vis fruits, vegetables, and lean protein.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

juicing is generally considered no cool amongst most contemporary fitness fanatics from what i can tell, tho that may vary if youre a competitive athlete

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

Just get a juicer, milo. It'll be worth it in the long run. i have afriend who makes all kinds of crazy juices with veg and whatnot and some of them are amazing tonics. She's had this juicer now for at least ten years.

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

I use almond, I think the nuttiness actually complements coffee!

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Friday, 30 August 2013 23:00 (11 months ago) Permalink

i make my own almond milk and use it in coffee, it's good

christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 30 August 2013 23:01 (11 months ago) Permalink

io, have you looked at any information on FODMAP (i think that's the acronym) sensitivity? It's a special class of carbohydrate that messes with some people, and coconut is one of the offenders due to fructose malabsorption.

Jaq, Friday, 30 August 2013 23:23 (11 months ago) Permalink

I just stumbled across that the other day, haven't fully investigated yet--but I don't react to those fruits listed, or the alliums, or some of the other things. My list so far seems to be unreacted dairy, wheat in some amounts/combinations but maybe not ALL (still trying to figure this out), lentils/beans, things made from coconut milk.

;_____;

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Friday, 30 August 2013 23:27 (11 months ago) Permalink

Something to watch out for with coconut milk - some brands have guar gum, which is made from beans

Jaq, Friday, 30 August 2013 23:45 (11 months ago) Permalink

That seems like important information, which I appreciate. The coconut milk ice cream in my freezer does indeed have guar gum in it.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Friday, 30 August 2013 23:51 (11 months ago) Permalink

Okay yesterday was day 30 of my autoimmune protocol! Overall I lost 12 lbs, and I feel like I am sleeping way better. My skin is also way insanely clear, and my totally NUTTY heavy periods actually seemed to lighten up a bit.

I actually feel like I am making yummy food, too. Last night I made jam thumbprint cookies (coconut flour, arrowroot flour, honey, cinnamon, coconut oil and jam), apple pudding (apples and coconut milk and cinnamon boiled, then blended, then cooled in the fridge), lamb fillets, sweet potatoes, and green beans. I like to cook a bunch of food at a time for a few days worth of food. I'm spending about $150/week to feed myself. But I am eating only organic, only grassfed beef, etc. Which gets expensive.

homosexual II, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 16:23 (10 months ago) Permalink

Next week I am also getting tested for food allergies, and by mid October my thyroid levels are going to get re-tested, so we'll see if this is even helping.

homosexual II, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 16:23 (10 months ago) Permalink

hsII that is super encouraging! I've been using arrowroot lately to make crepes/wraps (uses eggs though), it's awesome. I also got tapioca starch to make the magic paleo no-nut dough from Tara Grant, hoping to try that this weekend.

Jaq, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 17:36 (10 months ago) Permalink

i dunno if this is paleo specific but does anyone have experience buying/using guar gum, gelatin/gelatin substitutes for ice cream (dairy/non-dairy)?

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 17:39 (10 months ago) Permalink

Yes - I've found you need both guar and xanthan gum to get the best texture, and now I'm trying to stay away from both so just put up with a little iciness. I use Bob's Red Mill for both. I use Great Lakes gelatin (red container) for non-frozen puddings/custards - haven't tried freezing anything using it though.

Jaq, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 17:48 (10 months ago) Permalink

Too much guar adds a really unpleasant "beany" flavor and slimy texture, I think. Xanthan improved the mouthfeel/texture without really adding to the flavor.

Jaq, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 17:50 (10 months ago) Permalink

I'd say just use gelatin - it's way better for your digestion - but I've never made any iced desserts. You could use coconut cream? I found coconut cream in a can at the asian market, with no additives.

homosexual II, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 17:56 (10 months ago) Permalink

the gelatin seems to help keep it from solidifying into ice cube but the texture still didn't resemble ice cream. (probably because I forgot the heavy cream)

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 18:10 (10 months ago) Permalink

If you're not using any actual sugar (honey, maple syrup, etc), you've got to use xanthan and guar to get creaminess vs. solid block of ice.

Jaq, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 18:48 (10 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

welp... I am going off the paleo wagon. Not because I don't want to. I love eating paleo! But my dietician ordered the MRT/LEAP food intolerance test for me, and I have TOO MANY food intolerances to eat paleo for a while. I am intolerant to things that have been staples like sweet potatoes and coconut. I am surprisingly not intolerant to a lot of grains and beans, so I am going to be eating those for a while (for a few months).

Boo. Sad.

homosexual II, Friday, 4 October 2013 21:34 (9 months ago) Permalink

:(

call all destroyer, Friday, 4 October 2013 21:39 (9 months ago) Permalink

:( sry homo. but maybe it'll help in the longrun?

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 5 October 2013 01:09 (9 months ago) Permalink

There's still going to be a way to get where you want to go. It just might take a fair bit of tinkering to get there. Goof luck.

Aimless, Saturday, 5 October 2013 01:12 (9 months ago) Permalink

Starting a whole30 today. No grains, legumes, dairy except ghee, vegetable oils, alcohol, sweeteners, or white potatoes for a month. Which actually is how we eat 80% of the time anyway, but I'm going to miss going out for Thai food lunches and the occasional dark chocolate to get me through the afternoon.

Jaq, Monday, 14 October 2013 12:27 (9 months ago) Permalink

Mandee, how are you doing with the diet change? Is it helping?

Jaq, Monday, 14 October 2013 12:29 (9 months ago) Permalink

I have no idea. I pretty much feel the same.

homosexual II, Monday, 14 October 2013 16:25 (9 months ago) Permalink

i have read about and occasionally dabbled in paleo for a while now, and then this weekend all of a sudden my wife announces that she wants to try whole30. i'm not giving up booze or the two pieces of toast i have most mornings, but i'm in otherwise.

call all destroyer, Sunday, 27 October 2013 22:10 (9 months ago) Permalink

Ended this whole30 a few days early due to needing to celebrate. Down 9 lbs and 1.5 waist inches, which is kind of a surprise since it isn't that different from how I usually eat. Less fruit, more veg, fewer restaurant meals. Have discovered baking with arrowroot and tapioca starch, so those made up more of the carb component that sweet potatoes. 2000 calories/day and limited exercise (meant to start with the kettlebells again but never did).

Jaq, Sunday, 10 November 2013 16:05 (8 months ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Rather interesting paper this week:

Levene, Morgan E. "Low Protein Intake Is Associated with a Major Reduction in IGF-1, Cancer, and Overall Mortality in the 65 and Younger but Not Older Population." Cell Metabolism 19.3 (2014): 407-417

• High protein intake is linked to increased cancer, diabetes, and overall mortality
• High IGF-1 levels increased the relationship between mortality and high protein
• Higher protein consumption may be protective for older adults
• Plant-derived proteins are associated with lower mortality than animal-derived proteins

Mice and humans with growth hormone receptor/IGF-1 deficiencies display major reductions in age-related diseases. Because protein restriction reduces GHR-IGF-1 activity, we examined links between protein intake and mortality. Respondents aged 50–65 reporting high protein intake had a 75% increase in overall mortality and a 4-fold increase in cancer death risk during the following 18 years. These associations were either abolished or attenuated if the proteins were plant derived. Conversely, high protein intake was associated with reduced cancer and overall mortality in respondents over 65, but a 5-fold increase in diabetes mortality across all ages. Mouse studies confirmed the effect of high protein intake and GHR-IGF-1 signaling on the incidence and progression of breast and melanoma tumors, but also the detrimental effects of a low protein diet in the very old. These results suggest that low protein intake during middle age followed by moderate to high protein consumption in old adults may optimize healthspan and longevity.

Congratulations! And my condolences. (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 20:52 (4 months ago) Permalink

Wasn't there something in the China study about this false idea we need so much protein (esp meat protein)? iirc something about high amounts being somewhat toxic

just1n3, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 22:07 (4 months ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

so.. i stopped being paleo and ballooned up.

homosexual II, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:32 (1 month ago) Permalink

I gave up being quasi-paleo about six months ago. I put on a few pounds but probably only the water weight that I lost with paleo. Now I'm yo-yoing around 5lbs this way or that. H-II, have you read about this theory that some people who did well on paleo are possibly not carb intolerant but FODMAP intolerant? I haven't read enough to have any idea what to make of it.

ljubljana, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:53 (1 month ago) Permalink

Yeah, I've heard about FODMAPS. I am trying to minimize any food restrictions, though, I get way too obsessive and orthorexic about 'health food'

maybe someday!

homosexual II, Thursday, 5 June 2014 17:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

Same here, and it screws up my social life because if I'm on some food program or diet, while I'll eat whatever food is available, I'll resent it and never want to go out. No more of that. I've been trying instead to normalize certain MUST EAT IT ALL NOW TO GET RID OF IT foods, but that's for another thread.

ljubljana, Thursday, 5 June 2014 19:50 (1 month ago) Permalink

Here's an account of the study that found all non-Celiac "gluten intolerance" is actually FODMAP indigestion.

Table 1 of this paper offers a guide for those interested in a low FODMAP diet:

Evidence‐based dietary management of functional gastrointestinal symptoms: The FODMAP approach

There's an interesting angle that some of these FODMAPs are also prebiotics that encourage growth of beneficial bifidobacteria and lactobacillus over firmicutes and enterobacteria.

panic disorder pixie (Sanpaku), Thursday, 5 June 2014 20:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

fodmap diet is hardcore, I'm kinda afraid of it

that stuff makes me too ocd, i just need to find my own way without getting crazy

i did discover that chicory does a real number on me after a clif bar gave me horrible cramps, that was new

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 June 2014 01:24 (1 month ago) Permalink

do we have or do we want a 'food: finding our own way without getting crazy' thread? or are we better off just embedding that everywhere we can?

ljubljana, Friday, 6 June 2014 02:08 (1 month ago) Permalink

oh no i would be down with that

i'd like to think there's a lot of restriction exhaustion going around?

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 June 2014 03:26 (1 month ago) Permalink

FODMAPs and gluten and paleo and no legumes and no meat and don't eat tuna and "my knees hurt if I eat corn-finished beef but not grass-finished" and DHA/EPA balance and etc etc etc

kind of all goes heavily toward Pollan on nutritionism plus the wisdom of "eat food, not too much, mostly plants"

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 June 2014 04:14 (1 month ago) Permalink

please give me a normal food thread, did we start one? I am on the 'eat whatever I want' diet right now and I actually feel really good

homosexual II, Thursday, 12 June 2014 15:58 (1 month ago) Permalink

what I'd really like is to have a safe space to discuss food issues, yummy food, without people citing too many studies and etc (sorry Sanpaku but it gives me anxiety) -- like vegemitegrll I have a tendency to go WAY OVERBOARD with restriction and tip into orthorexia

homosexual II, Thursday, 12 June 2014 16:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

Just join us on the what's cooking thread! I'm pretty sure I've mentioned that this stuff makes me feel neurotic too, so I have avoided this thread until I saw today that there was a request for food talk minus neurosis.

La Lechera, Thursday, 12 June 2014 16:19 (1 month ago) Permalink

i think the what's cooking thread is perfect for general food discussion - it's always v positive and interesting

just1n3, Thursday, 12 June 2014 16:21 (1 month ago) Permalink

I remember you talking about how 'detox' talk (can't remember if that was it exactly?) made you anxious, LL, and at the time I didn't understand, but ever since bouncing the paleo scene, I am subscribed to all these Paleo FB pages, and it all gives me so much anxiety.. plus I have a few militant vegan FB friends who also post a lot about the China Study etc etc and AHHHH THERE IS SO MUCH INFO AND SO MANY 'GURUS' AND ITS JUST... EXHAUSTING. i'll join the cooking thread!

homosexual II, Thursday, 12 June 2014 16:43 (1 month ago) Permalink

all "detox" claims are 100% bullshit tbh

macklin' rosie (crüt), Thursday, 12 June 2014 16:44 (1 month ago) Permalink

yep

homosexual II, Thursday, 12 June 2014 16:52 (1 month ago) Permalink

I got nervous about starting a normal food thread because derailment potential seemed great. The What's Cooking thread is fantastic. I like the idea of occasionally using that to talk about finding a way of eating that makes you happy without resorting to restriction.

ljubljana, Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:25 (1 month ago) Permalink

yeah that's a good idea, that's a good place to hang without studies or too much stressful crazytalk

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 12 June 2014 18:11 (1 month ago) Permalink

I don't go orthorexia or too restrictive, if I start paying attention to the studies and gurus I just say "fuck it" and eat the same unhealthy shit as ever - appeasing all of the gurus and shit would be impossible.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 12 June 2014 18:19 (1 month ago) Permalink

if I collect all the studies, the guru's advice, and compared... I think the only safe thing to eat might be... steamed broccoli?

homosexual II, Thursday, 12 June 2014 22:54 (1 month ago) Permalink

I think all roads inevitably lead to a) get busy with the enemas or b) drink yr own urine or c) some kinda weird combo of both

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 12 June 2014 22:57 (1 month ago) Permalink

broccoli makes some people farty. i've been just eating what i want to eat lately and it makes me binge on garbage a lot less. reading about studies makes me want to throw up.

flatizza (harbl), Thursday, 12 June 2014 23:00 (1 month ago) Permalink

I'm interested in some of the studies insofar as they might give me ideas about ways of eating I could try, and see if they feel good for ME. I'm just not interested in trying to perfectly (or even imperfectly) reflect them in the way I eat. Especially not in cutting anything out.

ljubljana, Friday, 13 June 2014 02:15 (1 month ago) Permalink

I'm trying to learn to cook fancy-ish. Eating better because I did something cool beats listening to people argue about legumes, and I've wound up cutting way back on processed foods anyway.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 13 June 2014 06:03 (1 month ago) Permalink


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