the totally insane true story behind the 1970s film and book Sybil

as well as the implications of the MPD epidemic and connection with "SRA", or Satanic Ritual Abuse that followed

has anyone read the book? seen the movie?

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:27 (9 months ago) Permalink

I've seen the movie but not read the book. Didn't they just discover she made it all up or it was implanted or something? The whole MPD/SRA phenomenon is completely fascinating to me.

― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:30 (9 months ago) Permalink

i just finished reading SYBIL EXPOSED by Debbie Nathan

and it kind of blew my mind

epic story of the lives of three women who all have very different motivations, but come to similarly grim ends. and if you were alive in the 80s and early 90s and interested in salacious stories, this should be somewhat familiar. think sally jessy raphael interviews a woman who has 4,888 personalities! (fictional example, but you know what i mean)

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:31 (9 months ago) Permalink

I remember that lady on SJR!

― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:32 (9 months ago) Permalink

yeah this stuff is super interesting and weird

― call all destroyer, Monday, 30 July 2012 13:32 (9 months ago) Permalink

the backstory is BAZONKERS beyond what you could even imagine, but the base truth is that they all made it all up. All three of them, for their own different very personal reasons.

but when up until the point that i read this book, i was pretty sure it was all real. i must have conveniently forgotten (or, if you prefer, dissociated into another self) when the news came out that what happened to shirley mason (sybil) was not exactly as it was represented in the Sybil film and book.

there were plans for a BOARD GAME, y'all

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:34 (9 months ago) Permalink

I'm about 100 pages into this, and the book gets a brief mention at the beginning of the chapter on cults. Not finished the chapter yet, so maybe the SRA stuff will turn up soon.

― clemenza, Monday, 30 July 2012 13:36 (9 months ago) Permalink

It's good to know I can stop having nightmares about the green kitchen.

― clemenza, Monday, 30 July 2012 13:37 (9 months ago) Permalink

dr cornelia wilbur had this place called the Open Hospital where she attracted (and treated) thousands of women without much other professional medical supervision, and they were running wild in this place while she was out promoting MPD as a diagnosis, and she got what she wanted.

then it was used as the basis for countless (i say that because i have no idea how many there were) accusations (and convictions!) of Satanic Ritual Abuse, which was always sexual and always grim enough to make a person want to dissociate.

it was a huge witchhunt! i mean, i just think it's amazing to have experienced a real modern witchhunt.

there was also billy milligan, who i remember from childhood because my mom had his tabloid bio by her bed for like a gazillion years.

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:40 (9 months ago) Permalink

you can TOTALLY stop having nightmares -- it's a classic hag horror film.

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:40 (9 months ago) Permalink

i declare it so

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:40 (9 months ago) Permalink

woman who wrote the sybil bk also wrote this excellent true crime/serial killer study:

― Ward Fowler, Monday, 30 July 2012 13:43 (9 months ago) Permalink

Yeah, and she also started visiting him in jail and being his 70 year old female companion!

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:57 (9 months ago) Permalink

At the end, she wrote to him, “I cannot tell you, Boomy Bum Boo, how much it meant to me to be with you.”

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 13:58 (9 months ago) Permalink

“I cannot tell you, Boomy Bum Boo, how much it meant to me to be with you.”

This line has been haunting me!

I mean, maybe the woman who wrote Sybil Exposed is taking this one step further and adding her own ambitious twist to this story, but she has all of her material sourced and all of the papers are archived at John Jay College, where Flora used to teach. It's just a totally jaw droppingly weird story.

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:01 (9 months ago) Permalink

On the SRA tip, my grandparents had this book on their shelves when I was a kid, and I used to leaf through it and be simultaneously fascinated and terrified:

― Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:03 (9 months ago) Permalink

YES! I was thinking of getting a copy of that.

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:05 (9 months ago) Permalink

Is there a more modern version of this book?
? I like the old ones too, but I already read that one.

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:07 (9 months ago) Permalink

It kind of amazes me that we went through a period in 20th century America where people believed in gigantic, Satan-worshipping cults abusing scores of kids on the regular with nobody noticing.

― Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:08 (9 months ago) Permalink

That's what I'm saying! It's BANANANANANANANANAS! Also, what does the massive popular interest in child sex torture in the name of Satan say about the nature of our interests?

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:11 (9 months ago) Permalink

I got really into Michelle Remembers recently - some of the scenes are so comic that they'll stay with me forever - like when her captor/owner reveals that he's thinking of getting into Satanism, he does so by throwing the horns. With a straight face, like he says "I need something more than just drugs and pornography and prostitution?" and she says, horrified, "What? What could you need?" and he raises his hand with the pinkie and index finger up in response. And then she says "No, no, noooo!"

The woman who wrote it went on to do more hoaxes where she pretended to be a holocaust survivor!

― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:11 (9 months ago) Permalink

And there's never been any evidence of any such things existing at all, right? I think a lot of people probably still believe that it exists tbh.

― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:12 (9 months ago) Permalink

I mean of large scale satanic ritual abuse and cults or whatever.

― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:12 (9 months ago) Permalink

I run a large-scale Satanic cult but we are 100% anti-abuse, we do all the other stuff like blood rituals and heavy doper parties but without the abuse part we can't seem to attract any media attention

― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:14 (9 months ago) Permalink

And there's never been any evidence of any such things existing at all, right?
right

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:15 (9 months ago) Permalink

Sybil Exposed is a great book!

I remember my high school psychology teacher being very into multiple personality disorder and showing our class Sybil, and even then it didn't ring true to me.

― LISTEN TO THIS BRAD (Nicole), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:17 (9 months ago) Permalink

at least in dr wilbur's case, the evidence was in the recalled memories that were elicited through sessions in which the frequent injections of Pentothal and a host of other drugs that she administered to the people she treated ERASED the memory of the session for the patient. that was part of her method.

strangely, many people seem to have been hung up on meathooks by their parents.

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:17 (9 months ago) Permalink

that first sentence has some clause issues but you follow me, i hope

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:18 (9 months ago) Permalink

my mom used to call me Sybil all the time. THANKS MOMS

― Cussing like a bunch of Bukowskis (sunny successor), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:19 (9 months ago) Permalink

shoemaker makes me want to start a thread of signet book covers from the 80s

― vincent black shadow giallo (Edward III), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:21 (9 months ago) Permalink

Nicole, have you read any of Debbie Nathan's other books? She has a couple of others that sound interesting to me -- one about her investigation of the SRA paranoia and another about PORNOGRAPHY.

Satan's Silence, a 1995 work which Nathan co-authored with Michael Snedeker, examined and "debunked" the wave of satanic ritual abuse allegations that took place beginning in the 1980s.[9][10] Victor Navasky described the book as the "definitive study" of the subject,[11] and a CounterPunch columnist credited the book as having "exposed and virtually stopped the so-called satanic cult child sex panic".[12] Paul Okami's review of the book in The Journal of Sex Research noted that the book "is not . . . a scientific work", and he had some criticisms of its organization and what Okami saw as misapplication of certain social-science concepts and an overreliance in some parts of the book on feminist and leftist economic theory; nevertheless, Okami judged the book to be "essential reading . . . for its devastating journalistic portrait" and "for its more general analysis of proximate mechanisms by which our society can become vulnerable to patent collective madness."[13]

Pornography, published in 2007, is written as a concise "guidebook" on the subject of pornography.[14] A Canadian reviewer described the writing as "frank and cool", and made note of Nathan's assertion that no connection has been established between the use of pornography and criminal behavior, as well as her focus on the "connection between porn and shame" to define pornography.[15]

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:23 (9 months ago) Permalink

Sunny, that is super fucked up. But it's way worse to be Sybil's mom than it is to be Sybil. Sybil's mom supposedly took many public dumps, had lesbian orgies in the woods with underage girls, and administered punitive enemas to Sybil while she was suspended from the kitchen's light fixture. (It is highly unlikely and completely unconfirmed by multiple firsthand witness interviews with people who knew her personally and intimately). So no harm done in the long run amirite?

EIII please do

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:23 (9 months ago) Permalink

who did that art, anyway?

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:24 (9 months ago) Permalink

I haven't taught a single Sybil in 15 years--I don't think I've even known one in my entire life. Like Adolf, it's a name that seems to have fallen out of favor.

― clemenza, Monday, 30 July 2012 14:25 (9 months ago) Permalink

Tears For Fears, named their album, 'Songs From the Big Chair', after a phrase used in the 1976 movie. In fact the track 'Big Chair' was inspired by 'Sybil' and the fact she felt safe in the big chair in her therapist's office.

― Ward Fowler, Monday, 30 July 2012 14:26 (9 months ago) Permalink

is there a good precis on any of this stuff available anywhere (relevant wiki entry?), so far this thread is p much elliptically the same as the catholic church thread

― , Blogger (schlump), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:27 (9 months ago) Permalink

Her real name is Shirley Mason
This is her

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:28 (9 months ago) Permalink

Dr Cornelia Wilbur is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelia_B._Wilbur

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:29 (9 months ago) Permalink

I haven't taught a single Sybil in 15 years--I don't think I've even known one in my entire life. Like Adolf, it's a name that seems to have fallen out of favor.

― clemenza, Monday, July 30, 2012 10:25 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I really like it! I think someone should bring it back.

― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:29 (9 months ago) Permalink

Flora Schreiber's NYT obit http://www.nytimes.com/1988/11/04/obituaries/flora-schreiber-70-the-writer-of-sybil-and-of-shoemaker.html

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:29 (9 months ago) Permalink

One perspective on Satanic Ritual Abuse http://www.religioustolerance.org/sra.htm/

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:30 (9 months ago) Permalink

ty LL
i figure this is maybe also useful http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse
if not wrt this then just to keep as a pinned tab on the next library computer you use

― , Blogger (schlump), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:31 (9 months ago) Permalink

while she was suspended from the kitchen's light fixture.

I feel like light fixtures cannot actually withstand this? I guess it depends.

― check the name, no caps, boom, i'm (Laurel), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:32 (9 months ago) Permalink

xp - yes, indeed. i can't wait for my friends and family to see my amazon wish list when they buy me birthday presents this year.

here is the most well known of shirley mason's paintings

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:32 (9 months ago) Permalink

laurel, she was a slight child

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:32 (9 months ago) Permalink

I don't think there's a single sum-up but there are a lot of individual books & documentaries that I basically can't resist every time I see one

― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:34 (9 months ago) Permalink

That's why I wanted to read Debbie Nathan's book. I think it is that book.

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:35 (9 months ago) Permalink

Satan's Silence

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:35 (9 months ago) Permalink

I mean who can resist SATAN'S SILENCE?!

― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:35 (9 months ago) Permalink

i read "sybil exposed" too and it is nuts

― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:36 (9 months ago) Permalink

Have you seen Beyond the Black Rainbow, LL? It's very plot-lite in that it's mostly visual and works through a lot of 70s/80s sci-fi and horror tropes but it features an imprisoned girl and esoteric cultish types so I feel it's vaguely thread-relevant.

― I, rrational (mh), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 18:35 (1 month ago) Permalink

gonna read everything on Dan's list! In fact, he has even made me want to reread Hyperion which is no small feat considering how much I remember hating it. (tbf to Simmons, I read it while I was recovering from massive abdominal surgery at age 21 so he didn't rly get a fair hearing...)

― Jopy's on a vacation far away (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 18:39 (1 month ago) Permalink

i haven't seen BTBR yet -- i know i should. sometimes plot-lite works for me and other times it doesn't. i don't like movies that are basically tumblr photo shoots that go on for 2 hours, but this one sounds a little different?

i have also never read hyperion or even tried! +1 to you for even trying.

― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 18:45 (1 month ago) Permalink

i was a book devourer then, like 20x faster than I am today

― Jopy's on a vacation far away (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 18:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

movies that are basically tumblr photo shoots that go on for 2 hours

thread needed!

― Jopy's on a vacation far away (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 18:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

I read Hyperion in a college science fiction class! I think that there's a second book that finishes a lot of the plot arcs, and then several other books I've been told are completely inessential.

― I, rrational (mh), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 18:57 (1 month ago) Permalink

That is a good list. I've never read Hyperion but I like Dan Simmons's other stuff.

― carl agatha, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

Confession: I never finished Drood.

― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:03 (1 month ago) Permalink

Me, neither. I got it out of the library and two weeks wasn't enough time to get through that monster. I'm going to get it on Kindle one of these days.

― carl agatha, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:08 (1 month ago) Permalink

I never finished it on the Kindle! I just wasn't really into it at the time. Like many things, I think I appreciated the description of it more than the book (album/movie/experience/whatever) itself.

― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:12 (1 month ago) Permalink

I never finished it either. Later I found it at a library sale for 50 cents.

― tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 4 April 2013 02:29 (1 month ago) Permalink

hello ilx scandal enthusiasts -- is there a current discussion of the amanda barry/cleveland/hostage situation going down anywhere on ilx? i am hungry for news and i only have like 1 hr of computer time per day (not because i'm being held hostage in a boarded up rust belt house, thank goodness) i heard about it on the radio on my way into work and now i want updates.

― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 18:56 (1 week ago) Permalink

LL, follow these folks on Twitter for the best updates I've seen:

https://twitter.com/ScottTaylor19
https://twitter.com/WEWS

― Huston we got chicken lol (Phil D.), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:08 (1 week ago) Permalink

Two years ago we had Antony Sowell, now we have a women-held-prisoner story, Cleveland really stepping it up on the crazy people front.

― Huston we got chicken lol (Phil D.), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:10 (1 week ago) Permalink

Jesus the updates on Scott Taylor's twitter from 2h ago to present...

― carl agatha, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:14 (1 week ago) Permalink

thx! i heard about it on the radio on my way to work and thought that Onil was O'Neil (lol NEOH) and that Berry was Barry and the whole thing seemed really confusing

i feel kinda gross for being so interested but it's not exactly out of character, plus cleveland!

― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:16 (1 week ago) Permalink

ok now that i've read scott taylor's updates whoa omg it's way more awful than i thought
so glad they got out
bad news for castros and bus drivers

― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:21 (1 week ago) Permalink

the son of one the kidnappers wrote an article about Gina for the Plain Dealer, back in 2004 when she went missing

― Punxsutawney PiL (brownie), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:25 (1 week ago) Permalink

"Hey bro," Ramsey tells the 911 operator. "Check this out. I just came from McDonald's right? So I'm on my porch eating my little food, right? This broad is trying to break out the f-----g house next door to me, so there's a bunch of people on the street right now and s--t. So we're like, 'What's wrong, what's the problem?' She's like, 'This m--------r done kidnapped me and my daughter... She said her name is Linda Berry or some s--t. I don't know who the f--k that is, I just moved over here bro. You know what I mean?"

He then answers the 911 operator's questions about the woman, what she looks like, and what she's wearing.

Ramsey tells the operator an address which he says corresponds to Berry's location, not Ramsey's home address. "I'm smarter than that bro. I'm telling you were the crime was, not my house," he says.

"Are the people that she said did this, are they still in the house?" the 911 operator asks.

"I don't have a f-----g clue, bro. Like I said, I just came from McDonald's."

The operator then asks him to check whether Berry needs an ambulance.

"She needs everything. She's in a panic, bro. She's been kidnapped, so, you know, put yourself in her shoes."

"We'll send the police out," the operator responds.

― discreet, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:27 (1 week ago) Permalink

xp - like an editorial?

― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:31 (1 week ago) Permalink

no, he interviewed the DeJesus family. it was an article for a journalism class he was taking at Bowling Green.

― Punxsutawney PiL (brownie), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:32 (1 week ago) Permalink

wtf

― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:33 (1 week ago) Permalink

it was about how the neighborhood had changed since her disappearance

― Punxsutawney PiL (brownie), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:34 (1 week ago) Permalink

that is really bizarre

do you have some kind of link brownie? the plain dealer archives don't seem to go back that far

― discreet, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:36 (1 week ago) Permalink

when did they find all of those dead prostitutes in cleveland? that was awful.

― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:40 (1 week ago) Permalink

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22437074

don't have the actual article. lol at the BBC tho, "Plain Press"

― Punxsutawney PiL (brownie), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:40 (1 week ago) Permalink

What's secondarily breaking my heart is a little article about how other family's of kidnapped girls are now hopeful that their children will be found. :( I mean, the odds are so strongly against it, you know?

― carl agatha, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:41 (1 week ago) Permalink

xp - hey at least there's a lol to be had here right?

― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:42 (1 week ago) Permalink

xpost the actual article is linked in the BBC one. I thought it was the plain dealer but there really is a Plain Press

― Punxsutawney PiL (brownie), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:43 (1 week ago) Permalink

BBC 1
Brownie 0

― Punxsutawney PiL (brownie), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:43 (1 week ago) Permalink

I also hope Michelle Knight gets some serious $$$ in a civil lawsuit against the Cleveland PD. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/05/michelle_knight_plagued_by_tro.html

I'm finding that entire article incredibly upsetting, so fair warning to anybody feeling touchy today.

― carl agatha, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:47 (1 week ago) Permalink

Cleveland -3
AGAIN

― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:49 (1 week ago) Permalink

Amanda Berry's mother, who died while she was in captivity, went on the Montel Williams show in 2004 to talk to walking shitpile Sylvia Browne, who told her her daughter was dead:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/07/sylvia-browne-amanda-berry-cleveland

― Huston we got chicken lol (Phil D.), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:51 (1 week ago) Permalink

ty brownie

it's interesting that after 10 years amanda seemed very clear about her identity and the complete fucked up horribleness of her situation, unlike jaycee dugard and some other people who've been kept like this.

― discreet, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:59 (1 week ago) Permalink

interesting and hopeful and positive i guess (i hope)

― discreet, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 20:03 (1 week ago) Permalink

motherfucker! this is crazy

like

holy shit

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 20:13 (1 week ago) Permalink

hey bro, check this out

― discreet, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 20:15 (1 week ago) Permalink

I haven't read any updates on the Cleveland story since yesterday, was kinda hoping this thread would keep rolling along?

the racism thread is obv only covering one aspect of the story, am still v interested in how all of this shakes out.

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 20:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

This story is so horrible, because I can't imagine what these women must have gone through for ten years. I hope they are able to recover or at least find some peace now that they are free.

― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 21:01 (1 week ago) Permalink

I'm not sure what the best source of information is either -- is there anything published that is reliable & comprehensive with everything we know so far? Phil D, man on the street, help us out?

― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 21:03 (1 week ago) Permalink

I read yesterday about how one of the mothers hadn't been able to get any information on finally seeing her daughter again...and my heart went out to her, but I was also kind of jarred by the thought of, how the hell does the daughter even process what's happened...I mean who the hell knows what this guy has been telling them all this time, and the stories of horrible abuse going around it's just...god so much heavy shit will have to go down, for the families and for these girls

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 21:26 (1 week ago) Permalink

That was Michelle Knight. When she first disappeared, the police concluded she had just skipped town and stopped the investigation. The article I liked a few posts up mentions that she would get really depressed watching the news coverage of the police's search for Amanda Berry and Gina DeJesus because she didn't understand why nobody was looking for her. :(

― carl agatha, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 21:36 (1 week ago) Permalink

Small story on Ashley Summers - another girl who vanished from that neighborhood in 2007

The Websleuths board has been finding even more disappearances that have similar characteristics.

― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 22:01 (1 week ago) Permalink

Wish I could be more helpful but I'm actually following this all from afar right now - I'm on the west coast for work so I'm just following the usual ppl in my twitter stream and checking Cleveland.com. It is strange and cringeworthy that hey! Everyone here is talking about Cleveland! Because of our crazy woman abducting weirdos.

― Huston we got chicken lol (Phil D.), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 22:06 (1 week ago) Permalink

i also read that knight's mother probably SAW HER a few years after her disappearance - she saw her lagging behind a guy, who then grabbed her roughly by the arm, she called out her name but the girl didn't respond.

― just1n3, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 22:12 (1 week ago) Permalink

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Ariel Castro, now charged with abducting Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus and Michelle Knight, offered each of the women rides on separate occasions to lure them into a nearly decade-long nightmare of captivity.

A police source with access to the initial police report filed by the first responding officers said Castro tempted Berry, who was last seen wearing a Burger King uniform, with a ride to her home.

Castro, 52, told Berry that he had a son who worked at Burger King, the source said. When Berry entered Castro's vehicle, the accused abductor took her straight to his home on Seymour Avenue.

DeJesus, who was a friend of Castro's daughter, told police that Castro offered to give her a ride to see his daughter at the Seymour Avenue home, the source revealed, adding that Castro also offered Knight a ride when she was abducted.

The 6-year-old daughter of Amanda Berry was born in a small inflatable swimming pool inside the home during the time Berry and two other women were held in captivity.

Castro forced Knight to deliver the baby. He threatened to kill Knight if the baby did not survive the birth, the source said.

The three women were raped and beaten during their captivity, the source said.
Knight complained of chest pains when police found her and DeJesus inside the home, according to the initial police report, which has not been released.

― Huston we got chicken lol (Phil D.), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 22:56 (1 week ago) Permalink

christ what a nightmare

― Punxsutawney PiL (brownie), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 23:01 (1 week ago) Permalink

Trailer seems relevant to thread: http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/magnolia/thehunt/

― tweeship journey to 77 (mh), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 02:24 (3 days ago) Permalink

uh, the original intent and not the recent ohio horribleness

― tweeship journey to 77 (mh), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 02:35 (3 days ago) Permalink

looks pretty good! i love witch hunts.

― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 18:57 (3 days ago) Permalink