even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah the baseball chitchat with the help is very old-school noblesse oblige.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 22 December 2013 23:11 (3 months ago) Permalink

where a three-bedroom rental apartment was recently listed for $22,995 a month

What?????

carl agatha, Monday, 23 December 2013 01:06 (3 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

that's a gem

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Sunday, 12 January 2014 16:58 (3 months ago) Permalink

I can't even read past that fucked-up lede about emotional landscapes.

the slow death of America's rich pastoral heritage (silby), Sunday, 12 January 2014 20:33 (3 months ago) Permalink

sort of reminds me of the big firm lawyers who complain about how they'll never be "truly rich" like their clients

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Sunday, 12 January 2014 20:43 (3 months ago) Permalink

Silby otm

this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 January 2014 07:05 (3 months ago) Permalink

fwiw, the city claims this was partly false perception due to busted gps not updating the plownyc website. As for the traffic excuse, I work in the area and can attest that it was complete gridlock for hours.

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Thursday, 23 January 2014 20:00 (2 months ago) Permalink

nice crossover with "shit that looks like an onion article" on that one

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Thursday, 23 January 2014 20:32 (2 months ago) Permalink

fuck, that observer piece is so long and says so little

this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 January 2014 23:42 (2 months ago) Permalink

Silicon Valley billionaire compares treatment of America's rich to Nazi persecution of Jews

A billionaire Silicon Valley venture capitalist has been condemned for "ghastly and disgraceful" comments after he compared criticism of America's rich to the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany in the 1930s. Tom Perkins, 66, wrote a letter to the Wall Street Journal, which was published, in which he likened the Occupy movement to Kristallnacht, the infamous pogrom of Nov 9-10, 1938

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 27 January 2014 22:12 (2 months ago) Permalink

check the occupy wall street thread for deets on his porn novel

just (Matt P), Monday, 27 January 2014 22:15 (2 months ago) Permalink

Oh good I was going to link that article here. Wow.

carl agatha, Monday, 27 January 2014 22:16 (2 months ago) Permalink

quiddities and auchwitzes of the ruling class

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Monday, 27 January 2014 22:17 (2 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

amazing find

eric banana (s.clover), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 07:02 (1 month ago) Permalink

I love that we are supposed to simultaneously feel sorry for them because money turns out to not make them happy AND because they make less money than they used to!

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 14:58 (1 month ago) Permalink

Unhappy rich people should use some of their money to pay off my student loans. It will make us all feel good!

carl agatha, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:06 (1 month ago) Permalink

cosign ^

Mordy , Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:08 (1 month ago) Permalink

You know what, I do feel sorry for people with that kind of warped worldview, in a way. They are wounded people.

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:09 (1 month ago) Permalink

yeah they're somewhere near the top of my list

j., Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

everyone is wounded, but not everyone chooses the psychopathy of wall st

Mordy , Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:11 (1 month ago) Permalink

don't you see, they had to. they just couldn't not ~despite themselves~

j., Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:13 (1 month ago) Permalink

this is the problem w/ pathologizing good/evil

Mordy , Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:15 (1 month ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

"“I got it just to have my own style, bring something new to the table,” said Jose Vega, 23, an aspiring Miami rap musician... “Also, I’m nearsighted.”"

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 6 March 2014 18:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

that wes anderson piece is some vile shit

marcos, Thursday, 6 March 2014 18:31 (1 month ago) Permalink

coming from someone who doesn't really have any time for wes anderson

marcos, Thursday, 6 March 2014 18:32 (1 month ago) Permalink

Wes Anderson cosplayers apparently a lot more respectable than the sci-fi/fantasy kind.

bi-polar uncle (its OK-he's dead) (Phil D.), Thursday, 6 March 2014 20:03 (1 month ago) Permalink

There's something very Q/A about this standardized test resistance article. It has that anti-vaccination feeling to it--like, she just has this gut feeling and all of a sudden it becomes really, really important that her kids don't take standardized tests.

Dan I., Friday, 7 March 2014 11:53 (1 month ago) Permalink

yeesh, what a long and boring story

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Friday, 7 March 2014 11:59 (1 month ago) Permalink

standardized test resistance is some real-ass shit though

rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Friday, 7 March 2014 12:45 (1 month ago) Permalink

like, individual well-educated families not taking them is not like a fight for justice, but high-stakes testing is basically poison for schools sold as medicine

rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Friday, 7 March 2014 12:46 (1 month ago) Permalink

like an entire campus in chicago is boycotting the ISAT exam, thats some gangster shit right there

rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Friday, 7 March 2014 12:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

you're never gonna take our test scores alive, copper!!!

j., Friday, 7 March 2014 13:20 (1 month ago) Permalink

In the past 24 hours two people I know - both lit professors, one a big film snob, one really into steampunk - have posted on Facebook heaping praise on the Wes Anderson and monocle articles, respectively.

joygoat, Friday, 7 March 2014 15:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

"james is the one with the copper monocle"

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Friday, 7 March 2014 15:35 (1 month ago) Permalink

a college friend of mine has been doing this:
http://anadvanceddegreeinquiet.tumblr.com/

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Friday, 7 March 2014 15:45 (1 month ago) Permalink

he's a little bit tl;dr but nonetheless it's a heroic anthropological project

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 March 2014 16:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

there's some good writing in there

In your bitter past, if someone dared be so bold, you’d most likely have been playing D.I.Y. bowling with their decapitated head in some Bushwick loft at around 4a.m. Now, the reformed you simply shrugs, strokes the balaclava’s elegant, face-hiding contours, and says “I got it at Our Kind Of People. It’s a new Williamsburg boutique with a very helpful sales staff.”

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 March 2014 16:24 (1 month ago) Permalink

a college friend of mine has been doing this:
http://anadvanceddegreeinquiet.tumblr.com/

i had friends in graduate school who saged. and who otherwise made so as to clear the uh space of a room through some kind of undertaking which didn't involve burning sage.

i was too polite to ask them why they were not embarrassed to do this.

j., Friday, 7 March 2014 18:00 (1 month ago) Permalink

why are so many of those wes anderson nuts in post-production

socki (s1ocki), Monday, 17 March 2014 18:50 (1 month ago) Permalink

the audience at Grand Budapest Hotel at BAM Rose was probably the most narrowly homogeneous film audience I've ever seen

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Monday, 17 March 2014 20:55 (1 month ago) Permalink

ha, i'm going to be in that audience this week. stoked for the homogeneity.

caek, Monday, 17 March 2014 23:08 (1 month ago) Permalink

I saw the pale millennial hordes leaving it when I went to BAM for Errol Flynn in Gentleman Jim Friday night

(GBH will run for months, maybe my last chance to see that one on 35mm)

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 01:05 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

i am gonna start saying "pale millennial hordes" more often

We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 01:09 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

sounds like a zeppelin lyric

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 02:12 (4 weeks ago) Permalink


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