even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

He rattled off a hectic schedule of steampunk picnics, dinners on vintage trains and burlesque shows. The group also had a taste for sideshow oddities in the style of Coney Island entertainments. Morgana had a video on her iPhone, for example, of a scaled-down Ferris wheel being ridden by taxidermied squirrels. “Isn’t that something?” she mused.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/01/travel/regilding-the-gilded-age-in-new-york.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

scott seward, Saturday, 28 February 2015 04:27 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

It was the perfect night for a séance.

mookieproof, Saturday, 28 February 2015 05:39 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

This is awesome and I had a similar idea to do this last year. I totally want to go to a seance.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 28 February 2015 07:11 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I don't know how I ended up on this article but this guy starts his travelogue humblebragging about not caring about losing expensive stuff (credit cards, cash, laptops, etc.) and how it is really just evidence that he is some kind of absent-minded genuis.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/01/magazine/karl-ove-knausgaard-travels-through-america.html?action=click&contentCollection=Europe®ion=Footer&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=article

I saw there were like 3 or 4 articles on this guy, turns out he is a novelist. The NY Times says "He cries all over the place in the first three volumes of his six-part autobiographical novel". The book sounds like a monument to pointless self-indulgence and naval gazing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/28/books/knausgaards-my-struggle-book-three-explores-fearful-past.html

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 28 February 2015 07:22 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

um, well it's driven by him coming to terms with his abusive upbringing

“Whether he hit me or not made no difference,” Mr. Knausgaard writes. “It wasn’t the pain I was afraid of, it was him, his voice, his face, his body, the fury it emitted, that was what I was afraid of, and the terror never let up, it was there for every single day of my entire childhood.”

so maybe less solipsistic than a first glance would suggest

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 28 February 2015 07:27 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

he's sort of a big deal

polyphonic, Saturday, 28 February 2015 07:46 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Lol I've never heard of him but after first glance at the URL thought it said Karl Rove

tobo73, Saturday, 28 February 2015 12:34 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

he's apparently the new Proust

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 2 March 2015 01:48 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

that reviewer got malaria from him :((((

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 2 March 2015 02:08 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

featuring one of the best taglines I've ever seen

It’s not selling out; it’s buying in.

five six and (man alive), Thursday, 5 March 2015 02:32 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Only the NYT could set the beginning of their triumph-over-adversity story at Exeter.

schwantz, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 15:07 (1 week ago) Permalink

And it ends at Scripps ($47K / year)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 15:51 (1 week ago) Permalink

Somehow she managed to make something of herself

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 15:51 (1 week ago) Permalink

For Yale, Princeton and Brown, that wasn’t enough. All three turned him down.
His mother, Diana, told me that on the day he got that news, “He shut me out for the first time in 17 years. He barely looked at me. Said, ‘Don’t talk to me and don’t touch me.’ Then he disappeared to take a shower and literally drowned his sorrows for the next 45 minutes.”

and that young man... was wes anderson.

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 15:55 (1 week ago) Permalink

what 17-year-old doesn't like to 'drown their sorrows' in the shower for 45 minutes at a time amirite

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 15:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

tooooo much informationnnnnnn.........

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:11 (1 week ago) Permalink

man I'm glad I don't have to apply to college again

stately, plump buck angel (silby), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 18:36 (1 week ago) Permalink

what 17-year-old doesn't like to 'drown their sorrows' in the shower for 45 minutes at a time amirite

― bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, March 18, 2015 11:57 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

looooooooool

marcos, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 20:11 (1 week ago) Permalink

today i learned that rich kids do that too

head clowning instructor (art), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 20:21 (1 week ago) Permalink

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

― scott seward, Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:00 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

!

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 20:31 (1 week ago) Permalink

this is monumentally ridiculous

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/realestate/when-new-york-kids-help-find-the-family-home.html

Teens and preteens are getting involved in finding multimillion-dollar homes for their families, and in a few instances, doing everything but writing the check.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 20 March 2015 16:59 (6 days ago) Permalink

the comments are great

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 March 2015 19:45 (6 days ago) Permalink

also:
Skye van Merkensteijn Skye van Merkensteijn Skye van Merkensteijn Skye van Merkensteijn Skye van Merkensteijn Skye van Merkensteijn Skye van Merkensteijn Skye van Merkensteijn

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 March 2015 19:46 (6 days ago) Permalink

Fantastic.

schwantz, Friday, 20 March 2015 20:20 (6 days ago) Permalink

"Katie Haggerty, a fashion designer, has worked as a real estate broker. "

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 21 March 2015 00:19 (5 days ago) Permalink

like, you know

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 21 March 2015 00:20 (5 days ago) Permalink

you know the drill, right?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 21 March 2015 00:20 (5 days ago) Permalink

Katie Haggerty, a fashion designer, has worked as a real estate broker. Katie Haggerty, a fashion designer, has worked as a real estate broker. Katie Haggerty, a fashion designer, has worked as a real estate broker. Katie Haggerty, a fashion designer, has worked as a real estate broker. Katie Haggerty, a fashion designer, has worked as a real estate broker. Katie Haggerty, a fashion designer, has worked as a real estate broker. Katie Haggerty, a fashion designer, has worked as a real estate broker.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 21 March 2015 00:20 (5 days ago) Permalink

Someday internet archaeologists will exhume examples of people repeating sentences and wonder why they did that. Someday internet archaeologists will exhume examples of people repeating sentences and wonder.....ah, hell

Vic Perry, Saturday, 21 March 2015 05:13 (5 days ago) Permalink

maybe more Late Stage Empire-Decline than quid-ag per se but I don't know where else to put this

WARNING: disturbingly graphic images

Hadrian VIII, Saturday, 21 March 2015 12:06 (5 days ago) Permalink

None of the people in those photos should count as adults.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Saturday, 21 March 2015 12:56 (5 days ago) Permalink

Nope.

Jeff, Saturday, 21 March 2015 13:23 (5 days ago) Permalink

Maybe at least this is their way of coming to terms with that fact.

Hadrian VIII, Saturday, 21 March 2015 19:44 (5 days ago) Permalink

Huh, trying to select text to copy results in being redirected to another page. In this case one called "Canine Fashion Paralysis." That's pretty annoying.

Anyway, those LEDs are gross. They're really cold and harsh.

a girl with colitis (Je55e), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:40 (2 days ago) Permalink

If only there was a way to stop light from coming in these windows.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:45 (2 days ago) Permalink

That's my neighborhood. I noticed the LEDs only after I saw that piece. Still, it does make the street seem like a big holding room. Get me outta there.

Wish we'd gotten a photo of Skye van Merkensteijn in his middle-school ascot.

Oh yeah the nabe profile in Real Estate this week was Sunnyside, which i can apparently add to the Unaffordable column.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 15:49 (2 days ago) Permalink

Get you some tinfoil.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 16:32 (2 days ago) Permalink

Sunnyside's been unaffordable for a good while, I was looking for places there a couple years ago and...yeah, nope.

I don't love LED lights, especially because municipalities tend to really go completely OTT with them and turn once-pleasant streets into blinding nightmares. Columbus and/or Ohio State were doing this while I lived there and I remember it being a big deal when trekking up Woodruff to get Wendy's became like going through an interrogation. The basic idea of energy efficiency is totally reasonable though and TBH I'm sure in a few years it'll just be one of those things where, yeah, there's something kinda magical about old-timey photos that we don't experience anymore, but I have a feeling something similar probably went on with the demise of gas lights or candles or what have you.

The one that drives me nuts is getting CFLs for the house and accidentally getting a way too "cool" temperature. Now that is ghastly.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 16:58 (2 days ago) Permalink

where should i live, dr c?

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 17:01 (2 days ago) Permalink

If I only knew. I'm doing okay at the Bushwick/Bed-Stuy border but it's a compromise situation considering the respective budgets and commute needs of myself and my girlfriend. Would really, really love more trees and maybe more food options, and to not live with this one horrid roommate that's been in the building for nine years, has some insanely low grandfathered-in rent, doesn't bathe, and behaves like a petulant child emperor. I think to achieve all this we'd need to double our annual income, or go back in time and lock in some great place in Lefferts Gardens like my friends used to have.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 17:08 (2 days ago) Permalink

i don't buy CFLs for my house, i still use incandescents, i can't stand the fluorescent light.

marcos, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 17:24 (2 days ago) Permalink

Got to make sure you get the "soft white" CFLs. Except in the bathroom where harsh bright light is necessary for applying makeup and plucking chin whiskers.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 18:02 (2 days ago) Permalink

Sunnyside is still cheaper than gentrifying Brooklyn neighborhoods, I think? Tho prices def have gone up over the last few years. We have a nice 1br for under 1400.

Morbs you should move to the Bronx

xps

iatee, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 22:36 (2 days ago) Permalink

surprised this wasn't posted yet. shocked that this is a thing: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/25/nyregion/as-manhattan-area-codes-multiply-some-still-covet-a-212.html

ime everyone just has cellphones w/whatever their area code of origin is? 408 for me.

chinavision!, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:54 (Yesterday) Permalink

man those people at the beginning of the article are such dweebs

chinavision!, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:55 (Yesterday) Permalink

Who even knows anyone's phone number. Once it's in a contact, set it and forget it. Never seen again.

Jeff, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:04 (Yesterday) Permalink

idgi - 212 is for landlines! the OG mobile area code is 917

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:06 (Yesterday) Permalink

i don't set nuthin

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:16 (Yesterday) Permalink


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