even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (four years ago) Permalink

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (four years ago) Permalink

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (four years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (four years ago) Permalink

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (four years ago) Permalink

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (four years ago) Permalink

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (four years ago) Permalink

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (four years ago) Permalink

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (four years ago) Permalink

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (four years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (four years ago) Permalink

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (four years ago) Permalink

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (four years ago) Permalink

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (four years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (four years ago) Permalink

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (four years ago) Permalink

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (four years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (four years ago) Permalink

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (four years ago) Permalink

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (four years ago) Permalink

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (four years ago) Permalink

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (four years ago) Permalink

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (four years ago) Permalink

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (four years ago) Permalink

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (four years ago) Permalink

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (four years ago) Permalink

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (four years ago) Permalink

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (four years ago) Permalink

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (four years ago) Permalink

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (four years ago) Permalink

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (four years ago) Permalink

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (four years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (four years ago) Permalink

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (four years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

goole, Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:57 (four years ago) Permalink

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (four years ago) Permalink

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (four years ago) Permalink

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (four years ago) Permalink

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (four years ago) Permalink

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (four years ago) Permalink

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (four years ago) Permalink

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (four years ago) Permalink

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (four years ago) Permalink

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (four years ago) Permalink


What can be done to fix the game of baseball? The New York Times would like to hear from readers.

GUESS WHAT, motherfuckers?

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 February 2017 18:53 (two months ago) Permalink

ask the Black Sox

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 24 February 2017 19:06 (two months ago) Permalink

Another tech worker feeling excluded from the real estate market was 41-year-old Michael, who works at a networking firm in Silicon Valley and last year earned $700,000. Sick of his 22-mile commute to work, which can sometimes take up to two and half hours, he explored buying a property nearer work.

“We went to an open house in Los Gatos that would shorten my commute by eight miles. It was 1,700 sq ft and listed at $1.4m. It sold in 24 hours for $1.7m,” he said.

Although he said his salary means he can afford to live a decent life, he finds the cost of living, combined with the terrible commute, unpalatable. He’s had enough, and has accepted a 50% pay cut to relocate to San Diego.

“We will be unequivocally better off than we are now.” He said he won’t miss some of the more mundane day-to-day costs, like spending $8 on a bagel and coffee or $12 on freshly pressed juice.

nomar, Thursday, 2 March 2017 01:22 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah it's the New Yorker but

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/06/per-ses-seven-course-kids-menu

DJI, Friday, 3 March 2017 23:15 (one month ago) Permalink

There was a blog that took kids to a bunch of high end Bay Area restaurants, it was adorable.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 3 March 2017 23:20 (one month ago) Permalink

--he says sarcastically (I hope)

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 3 March 2017 23:23 (one month ago) Permalink

gr8080, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 17:26 (one month ago) Permalink

can only hope 1-down is "swole"

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 17:33 (one month ago) Permalink

and 2 down is "totes"

nickn, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 20:44 (one month ago) Permalink

jfc that montclair article

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 18 March 2017 20:28 (one month ago) Permalink

, Friday, 24 March 2017 14:56 (one month ago) Permalink

mookieproof, Friday, 24 March 2017 15:09 (one month ago) Permalink

(no fancy bags)

removed from the rain drops and drop tops of experience (ulysses), Friday, 24 March 2017 15:10 (one month ago) Permalink

looool

crazy how those vacations and million-dollar homes and BMWs really add up

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 24 March 2017 15:10 (one month ago) Permalink

Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Friday, 24 March 2017 15:11 (one month ago) Permalink

mookieproof, Friday, 24 March 2017 15:14 (one month ago) Permalink

It's true, if you take away the expensive cars, 3 vacations per year, expensive house, expensive food, $12000 worth of children's lessons per year (!), these people live a fairly average life.

silverfish, Friday, 24 March 2017 15:36 (one month ago) Permalink

I mean, rich people are just middle class people who make and spend a lot more money, we're all the same.

silverfish, Friday, 24 March 2017 15:40 (one month ago) Permalink

There's something weird about making alumni donations in lieu of paying off their student loans faster.

jmm, Friday, 24 March 2017 15:47 (one month ago) Permalink

yea for the age they need to be, those student loan payments are crzy

johnny crunch, Friday, 24 March 2017 15:48 (one month ago) Permalink

the $10,000 a year on "miscellaneous" is totally the best bit

soref, Friday, 24 March 2017 15:53 (one month ago) Permalink

18K on charity

break me off a piece homie

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 24 March 2017 15:59 (one month ago) Permalink

There's something weird about making alumni donations in lieu of paying off their student loans faster.

― jmm, Friday, March 24, 2017 11:47 AM (twenty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea for the age they need to be, those student loan payments are crzy

― johnny crunch, Friday, March 24, 2017 11:48 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark

probably trying to prime the pump for when their kids go to college

, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:11 (one month ago) Permalink

somebody should tell them unless they're giving their alma mater name a building after me money, it aint gonna work

, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:11 (one month ago) Permalink

also the 40% effective tax rate is total bullshit, comically so

intheblanks, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:28 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah they made an 18k deductible donation for a start, but also progressive income tax does not work that way.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:51 (one month ago) Permalink

2150 a year will get you a lotta normcore gap clothes

removed from the rain drops and drop tops of experience (ulysses), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:54 (one month ago) Permalink

(though to be fair, "no threads," so maybe they're using space age polymers only?)

removed from the rain drops and drop tops of experience (ulysses), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:55 (one month ago) Permalink

they're factoring in state and local xp

here's the writeup:

Largest Expenses

Taxes ($185,600, ~40% effective tax rate): The government doesn’t believe in two high-earning working spouses. They want one spouse to stay at home and take care of the kids. If they didn’t, why did President Obama campaign aggressively for $200,000 + $200,000 = $250,000 before taxes go up for the top? Equality would dictate that $200,000 + $200,000 = $400,000, which is the compromise our politicians made.

Living in NYC is expensive due to Federal (39.6% marginal tax bracket), State (10%+), City (4.25%+) taxes, and FICA tax of 6.4% for the first $127,200 you make for 2017. Unfortunately, NYC is where the jobs are. This couple is paying roughly $8,000 – $10,000 extra a year due to the marriage penalty tax. Furthermore, they have AMT, an extra 0.9% Medicare tax they have to pay on income over $200,000, and net investment income tax (NIIT) of 3.8% on income over $250,000!

- See more at: http://www.financialsamurai.com/scraping-by-on-500000-a-year-high-income-earners-struggling/#sthash.wSuoWtUT.dpuf

, Friday, 24 March 2017 17:11 (one month ago) Permalink

"One breath of scandal, and not only would the Giscard scheme collapse but his very career would be finished! And what would he do then? I’m already going broke on a million a year! The appalling figures came popping up into his brain. Last year his income had been $980,000. But he had to pay out $21,000 a month for the $1.8 million loan he had to take out to buy the apartment... Of the $560,000 remaining of his income last year, $44,400 was required for the apartment’s monthly maintenance fee… $18,000 for heat, utilities, insurance and repairs, $6,000 for lawn and hedge cutting, $8,000 for taxes. Entertaining at home and in restaurants had come to $37,000. This was a modest sum compared to what other people spent."

lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Friday, 24 March 2017 17:20 (one month ago) Permalink

a hahaha, totally.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Friday, 24 March 2017 17:34 (one month ago) Permalink

Living in NYC is expensive due to Federal (39.6% marginal tax bracket), State (10%+), City (4.25%+) taxes, and FICA tax of 6.4% for the first $127,200 you make for 2017. Unfortunately, NYC is where the jobs are. This couple is paying roughly $8,000 – $10,000 extra a year due to the marriage penalty tax. Furthermore, they have AMT, an extra 0.9% Medicare tax they have to pay on income over $200,000, and net investment income tax (NIIT) of 3.8% on income over $250,000!

i'm not going to run the numbers on this extremely dumb article, but the 39.6% marginal tax bracket doesn't start until $466k, which they are under after deductions.

if their effective rate is really 40% they should spend $250 on an hour with a financial planner.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 24 March 2017 17:45 (one month ago) Permalink

the average federal income tax paid for 500k is 22%, the idea that state and local would eat up an entire 18% of someone's salary is ludicrous. The first line of that second paragraph contains one outright lie (top NY state marginal tax rate is less than 9%, not 10%+), and I know it's stupid to be fact-checking such an obvious bullshit website but the "250K+ is middle class in New York" irrationally annoys me more than just about anything and I will fight it until my dying breath

intheblanks, Friday, 24 March 2017 17:46 (one month ago) Permalink

something always comes up...

...your nose

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 24 March 2017 21:29 (one month ago) Permalink

also a year where you covered all "necessary" expenses, saved plenty for retirement, had $10k lying around for miscellaneous expenses, and still had $7300 left over at the end, that would be a total boon for the average american family, not a "regular year" where you "still feel average"

intheblanks, Friday, 24 March 2017 23:01 (one month ago) Permalink

sorry, i know it's a totally dumb "article" and outside the purview of this thread in the first place, i just can't resist hammering it.

intheblanks, Friday, 24 March 2017 23:04 (one month ago) Permalink

Even ignoring all the idiocy in that chart - I just don't get it. Like how much money are they saying they would need left over after buying everything they want so that they would feel rich?

Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Saturday, 25 March 2017 02:01 (one month ago) Permalink

hafta be able to roll in it, in paper form

j., Saturday, 25 March 2017 02:25 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

from the nyt's recipes newsletter:

Good morning. The news of the world may be grim running to grimmer, but still we make time to cook, hoping that the practice can bring a balm to wounded souls.

Take as an example Melissa Clark's recipe for a roasted carrot salad with arugula and pomegranate (above). Make it tonight while listening to Laura Marling, while enjoying a glass of wine,

(continues)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 17 April 2017 16:05 (one week ago) Permalink

while listening to Laura Marling, while enjoying a glass of wine,

and while we're at it, I can recommend what clothes you should wear, what time of day to begin, and what brands of utensils to use, if you would like to reproduce the full soul-wound-balming-salad effect.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 17 April 2017 16:28 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah those one liners do break yer heart

Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Monday, 17 April 2017 18:18 (one week ago) Permalink

Help I'm confused about quinoa!

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/07/upshot/confused-about-quinoa-and-nutrition-so-are-other-americans.html

VC, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 14:40 (one week ago) Permalink

But nutritionists and ordinary Americans also differ in an obvious but important way: Nutritionists know a lot more about food.

whoa holy shit, you don't say???

marcos, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:03 (one week ago) Permalink

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:53 (one week ago) Permalink

mookieproof, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 17:28 (one week ago) Permalink

on a positive note, they are mortal like all men and must ultimately die

Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 18:38 (one week ago) Permalink


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