even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp kind of reads like a report from a hairy potter newspaper about the wondrous ingenuity of the non-magic world

pursuit of happiness (art), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 02:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

"A man, clearly inebriated, urinates on my leg. In moments like these, great cities test you, discover of what mettle you're made. I smile at the man. This is my initiation. And though he know it not, he is my celebrant. 'Hark,' say I. 'May I direct you to a relief more lavatorial?' In response, the man pisses on my other leg. Ah, New York! You unruly thing!"

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 14:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

lol

$0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:55 (1 month ago) Permalink

Where do we post it when the NYT forgets that people live in public housing? When the deal with the story is that police are, supposedly, shrewdly locating their high-stakes stings of heavily-armed criminals far from innocent bystanders?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/05/nyregion/in-dea-sting-operations-robberies-arent-real-but-charges-are.html?_r=0

In many of the sting operations, the suspects are lured to a more remote, nonresidential area in Upper Manhattan, beneath the Henry Hudson Parkway, before federal agents and police officers close in.

Photo is looking east on 131s Street, in the midst of the construction site for Columbia's new Manhattanville campus. The image is dominated by the Manhattanville Houses, which as NYCHA reminds us, includes "1,272 apartments housing an estimated 2,756 residents." Two blocks to the north is the former Riverside Park Community complex (1976), a Mitchell-Lama scheme that shifted to market-rate in the last decade, and must also not look like a "residential area" to the NYT's captioners. It was designed to house ~1,190 families - not sure how many people are in it now. It also contains the KIPP Infinity charter school (formerly I.S. 195), serving grades five through eight. This "remote" spot is also three stubby blocks from a stop on the 1 train (prominently featured in the photo, and presumably containing only spectres and hardened adventurers who would venture as far as three-quarters of a mile north of Columbia). Bring on the machine-gun-packing crooks!

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 6 December 2014 16:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

good sleuthing, doctor casino!

scott seward, Saturday, 6 December 2014 16:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

people are kinda everywhere in manhattan. that island is lousy with people.

scott seward, Saturday, 6 December 2014 16:11 (1 month ago) Permalink

I mean, it took me a second - and I've been on that block more than once! Just because I read "remote" and "Upper Manhattan" and figured it would be, like, north of Dyckman, where the 1 pops back above-ground, and there's that huge railway yard and shit. For a second I even was wondering if it was in Marble Hill and then I went "Wait...Henry Hudson Parkway? What...? OHHHhhhhhhhh" and my head started spinning.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 6 December 2014 16:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

wow

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 December 2014 16:24 (1 month ago) Permalink

Photo was printed at a huge, half-page size, I wouldn't be surprised if they get a lot of mail about it.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 6 December 2014 16:37 (1 month ago) Permalink

i guess they get points for not using the word desolate.

scott seward, Saturday, 6 December 2014 16:45 (1 month ago) Permalink

The thing is, they could have turned around and gotten some warehouse/parking stuff, construction barriers, and the viaduct. It would have at least looked more like what the story was about. At some level, someone must have thought this view made things look more desolate and crime-y. >_<

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 6 December 2014 16:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

can't believe that's the top story on the website!

scott seward, Saturday, 20 December 2014 20:34 (1 month ago) Permalink

Needs to be, IMHO.

Jeff, Saturday, 20 December 2014 20:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

“I’m not going to cross my legs like ladies do,” he said. “I’m going to sit how I want to sit.”

Ugh.

Olof Hansson, a director of the Manhattan men’s spa John Allan’s, put it more succinctly. “A true gentleman doesn’t sit on the subway, he stands.”

Ugh.

Needs to be, IMHO.

Pretty OTM

Je55e, Sunday, 21 December 2014 03:17 (1 month ago) Permalink

“A true gentleman doesn’t sit on the subway, he stands.”

you're welcome, m'lady

hug niceman (psychgawsple), Monday, 22 December 2014 19:09 (1 month ago) Permalink

yea, it's super annoying. it's worse on a bus (or other subways without bench-like seating) though, because there is a clear division between seats.

marcos, Monday, 22 December 2014 19:33 (1 month ago) Permalink

people are graduating from college and not living in new york, washington, and san francisco. gee

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/20/upshot/where-young-college-graduates-are-choosing-to-live.html

languagelessness (mattresslessness), Sunday, 4 January 2015 20:57 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

thank u city observatory, a new think tank

languagelessness (mattresslessness), Sunday, 4 January 2015 20:59 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

and facebook, for bringing this slightly dated but crucial piece of the puzzle of life to my attention

languagelessness (mattresslessness), Sunday, 4 January 2015 21:01 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

opening picture of clown zombie with balloon really helps sell the story

MAYBE HE'S NOT THE BEST THIGH SLAPPER IN THE WORLD (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 4 January 2015 21:05 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Ever been on a bus with an excess of polite people who don't sit, even with plenty of open seats? So all these polite people create a barrier to getting off, because they are all STANDING IN THE WAY. Which is not polite - what to do? Maybe instead sit down when there are seats, ladies and gentlemen.

Vic Perry, Sunday, 4 January 2015 21:14 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

triple shots all around at the Denver Chamber of Commerce tonight

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 4 January 2015 23:42 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Price of a maki roll of chopped fatty tuna wrapped in rice with caviar piled on each of the eight pieces: $240. I could never bring myself to order it, or two dishes filigreed with white truffles: the fried rice with mushrooms ($120) or the Ohmi beef tataki ($150). So I can’t tell you how any of them taste, but I can tell you that by the time I spotted something for less than $80, it struck me as a steal.

Amount I spent for 5.5 ounces of grilled steak raised in Australia: $78.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/dining/restaurant-review-kappo-masa-on-the-upper-east-side.html?ref=dining

scott seward, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 22:24 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i had to put that somewhere...

scott seward, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 22:24 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

LOL you'd pay $10 for that steak and get a pint with it, here.

I checked Snoops , and it is for real (Trayce), Thursday, 8 January 2015 00:49 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

hey so no one posted the paleo bone broth article yet? i'll have to dig it up

marcos, Thursday, 8 January 2015 03:21 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

lol. I hope you're just calling out the restaurant and not Pete Wells on that though, it's not really his fault.

man alive, Thursday, 8 January 2015 03:57 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Masa has been my dream meal since I read Anthony Bourdain's account in Medium Raw or the Nasty Bits or one of those, but I don't think I'd be going to the satellite locations. I'll just drop the obscene money at the real place.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 8 January 2015 16:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

no, i like pete! just the price of that fried rice...

scott seward, Thursday, 8 January 2015 16:48 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i walked like 200 yards to work today and i could have used some bone broth at the time...

scott seward, Thursday, 8 January 2015 16:51 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/dining/bone-broth-evolves-from-prehistoric-food-to-paleo-drink.html#

okay so the paleo bone broth wasn't too bad, making stock is fun and enhances all levels of my cooking ime. but i kind of think the fun of it is making it on your own and seeing humble ingredients simmer in a stockpot over an afternoon, it warms the house and the soul, you can see as the day passes the complexity of flavors increases. it's not something you shell out $5 for a shot of at fuckin street window. though i guess that is cool at the same time that in NY and SF you can buy a shot of bone broth at fuckin street window. good for them. boston would be more interesting if you could do that i guess

marcos, Thursday, 8 January 2015 18:08 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

okay so the paleo bone broth wasn't too bad

meaning it wasn't too quid ag as i thought it would be. at least as paleo nytimes articles go

marcos, Thursday, 8 January 2015 18:08 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i was gonna ask how you liked it

shmup....smug....shmub....shmug.... (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 8 January 2015 18:38 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Tam writes and illustrates the popular Nom Nom Paleo blog

argh

Je55e, Friday, 9 January 2015 13:58 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

So hotly debated was Ms. Clooney’s fashion statement that it rated its own Twitter account, @msclooneygloves. Elsewhere, tweeters singled out the offending armwear as pompous or pretentious, charging that she appears to think of herself as royalty. Another joshed, perhaps accurately, “Amal wore the gloves to protect the engagement and wedding rings from prying eyes.”

this may just be a "people are horrible" note

shmup....smug....shmub....shmug.... (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 15 January 2015 21:04 (1 week ago) Permalink

speaking truth to power there, ruth la ferla

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 16 January 2015 12:34 (1 week ago) Permalink

Holeeeeeeeee cow. Not surprised that the 1% think like that, but surprised that it slipped out in print, by accident in a major newspaper.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 16 January 2015 16:55 (1 week ago) Permalink

She and her husband treated their eight-year search for the right suburb the way she would research a value stock

jmm, Friday, 16 January 2015 18:12 (1 week ago) Permalink

Specialists in a single area don’t have much incentive to offer the warts-and-all download

Surely he doesn't really think the term is "download".

Je55e, Friday, 16 January 2015 23:12 (1 week ago) Permalink

"Are the local children garden-variety pot smokers who have a little sex and a bit of angst at a reasonable age, or is something more troubling going on?"

Yeah have you see White Ribbon? Woah dude.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, 16 January 2015 23:22 (1 week ago) Permalink

So amazing. "How much sex are the local children having? Does their angst start at a reasonable age?" Something troubling going on, indeed.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 16 January 2015 23:53 (1 week ago) Permalink

Could've been shortened from 43 Questions to 14 Words.

Heyooo.

Devilock, Saturday, 17 January 2015 02:45 (1 week ago) Permalink

Are the local children garden-variety pot smokers, or are they into the hydro shit?

walid foster dulles (man alive), Saturday, 17 January 2015 02:47 (1 week ago) Permalink

If you don’t know anyone in town, find a way to invite yourself to homes of friends of friends. What are they reading? Are there any books at all? What about books for the children?

I love that one. If friends of friends of yours are living in the community, visit them and ask questions visit them specifically to gather bookshelf data.

jmm, Saturday, 17 January 2015 03:37 (1 week ago) Permalink

I bet some of my neighbors own A Purpose Driven Life, The Secret, Dianetics, and a box set of Chicken Soup books - should I move?

Je55e, Saturday, 17 January 2015 20:37 (1 week ago) Permalink

Yes.

carl agatha, Saturday, 17 January 2015 23:17 (1 week ago) Permalink


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