even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

god, managers

j., Tuesday, 15 July 2014 19:16 (1 month ago) Permalink

stabby

mattresslessness, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 19:18 (1 month ago) Permalink

sat next to one of these churls at lunch today detailing to his cohort the drama of stephanie and suzy and other assistants around a weeknight "event" and "revenue potential" not "realized" even though of course "education" is "important" stabby stab stab

mattresslessness, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 19:24 (1 month ago) Permalink

why is disgust with yourself not factored into the determination that something is 'cost neutral'

j., Tuesday, 15 July 2014 19:35 (1 month ago) Permalink

SSRIs are already paid for by the bennies

mattresslessness, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 19:59 (1 month ago) Permalink

Wait, she could have a party or they could drop $5k+ on a family cruise?

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 20:00 (1 month ago) Permalink

originally thought the link was going to be about secret provost gay cruising. disappointed.

mattresslessness, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 20:03 (1 month ago) Permalink

for real

you know it's a thing

j., Tuesday, 15 July 2014 20:21 (1 month ago) Permalink

just came here to post that article. fucking amazing.

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 22:11 (1 month ago) Permalink

since this was my daughter's cruise, we went with her decision
since this was my daughter's cruise, we went with her decision
since this was my daughter's cruise, we went with her decision
since this was my daughter's cruise, we went with her decision
since this was my daughter's cruise, we went with her decision
since this was my daughter's cruise, we went with her decision
since this was my daughter's cruise, we went with her decision

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 22:15 (1 month ago) Permalink

There was even one outstanding chocolate dessert which always resonates well with me

I'm sorry, sir, this is Inside Higher Ed. Yelp is down the hall.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 22:16 (1 month ago) Permalink

resonates

mattresslessness, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 22:18 (1 month ago) Permalink

lol eephus

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 22:57 (1 month ago) Permalink

ty for amazing link

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 23:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

I have indicated on numerous occasions that I am a car person. I read car magazines for relaxation, I go to automobile shows, and of course I appreciate the economic impact of the automobile industry. I am also a person who has driven/owned/leased great cars and also some that were very mediocre. More often than not, the least impressive cars that I have driven over the years have been American cars. And, unfortunately at the top of my least impressive list is the Chevrolet Vega

http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/provost-prose/gm#sthash.5SCein7f.dpbs

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 23:53 (1 month ago) Permalink

Dr. Berliner's areas of specialty include the economics of higher education. As of 2009, he is a TIAA/CREF Fellow,[4] and he has served as an associate editor of The American Economist. He is also known for his large collection of over 300 dreidels [5] that have been displayed in museum exhibitions.[1]

how hard can it be to get 300 dreidels

iatee, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 00:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

he just _belongs_ as an nyt columnist. it would be amazing!

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Wednesday, 16 July 2014 00:03 (1 month ago) Permalink

there are 2,294 dreidels on ebay right now, why is this guy wasting his money on car magazines

iatee, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 00:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

a provost examines the world, what fucking editor didn't bother to say that out loud

j., Wednesday, 16 July 2014 00:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

this is also a thread xp with people who write their own wikipedia pages

iatee, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 00:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

a rare moment when the word Babbitt just jumps to mind.

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Wednesday, 16 July 2014 00:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

http://news.hofstra.edu/2014/05/12/provosts-blog-tony-questions/

I’m a great believer in having as much transparency in situations like this as possible. What determines which shows are nominated and which are not? If there is the ability to nominate more shows, as there was this year, why didn’t that happen? I just don’t know the answers to these questions and in the meantime, I have developed doubts and questions about what happened and why it happened. In reality, how political is this process and how much is it truly merit based?

Nothing that has happened this year will deter my watching the Tony Awards broadcast next month.

iatee, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 00:12 (1 month ago) Permalink

in his defense he is like 200 years old

iatee, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 00:13 (1 month ago) Permalink

wish they could have this guy do music reviews

dem bow dem bow need calcium (seandalai), Wednesday, 16 July 2014 00:15 (1 month ago) Permalink

Last Thursday, I went to see Aladdin on Broadway which is a great Disney production. My wife and kids had seen the production previously, so I just went by myself.

chikungunya manatee (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 16 July 2014 00:18 (1 month ago) Permalink

he did not have to volunteer this sad story just to complain about smart phones

chikungunya manatee (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 16 July 2014 00:21 (1 month ago) Permalink

My younger daughter was fine in England. We loved being there. The accent was strange to her but people were talking English and she had no trouble communicating. Communicating was not a problem for me either and I was also smart enough not to drive a car and adjust to driving on the "wrong" side of the street.

dem bow dem bow need calcium (seandalai), Wednesday, 16 July 2014 00:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

this blog is the best thing

http://news.hofstra.edu/2013/10/14/the-provosts-blog-ice-breaker/

Once the person has played with the dog or you have talked about the dog, it is the perfect opening to a more substantive conversation. For example one dog-initiated conversation quickly turned to the topic of responsible testing and the conversation was certainly worthwhile.

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Wednesday, 16 July 2014 03:41 (1 month ago) Permalink

sounds like a great dinner companion, a real cut-up

The initial rerouting had us staying in Portland from late Friday until Tuesday. I followed up with the airline on the phone (an 8 hour experience from start to finish) and we were given an alternative where we would arrive in Philadelphia on Sunday evening. The alternative involved flying from Portland to Minneapolis and subsequently flying from Minneapolis to Philadelphia, at which point I would rent a car to drive back to New York. We made it almost on time to Minneapolis and prepared to embark on the flight to Philadelphia.

http://news.hofstra.edu/2014/01/27/the-provosts-blog-because-of-the-bad-weather-just-after-new-years-day/

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Wednesday, 16 July 2014 03:46 (1 month ago) Permalink

Someone should introduce him to Marilyn Hagerty, the food critic.

Plasmon, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 05:35 (1 month ago) Permalink

his talents are clearly wasted as a mere provost

dem bow dem bow need calcium (seandalai), Wednesday, 16 July 2014 11:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

The initial rerouting had us staying in Portland from late Friday until Tuesday. I followed up with the airline on the phone (an 8 hour experience from start to finish) and we were given an alternative where we would arrive in Philadelphia on Sunday evening. The alternative involved flying from Portland to Minneapolis and subsequently flying from Minneapolis to Philadelphia, at which point I would rent a car to drive back to New York. We made it almost on time to Minneapolis and prepared to embark on the flight to Philadelphia.

Queef Latina (Phil D.), Wednesday, 16 July 2014 13:36 (1 month ago) Permalink

He did a music review!

http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/provost-prose/one-direction#sthash.tCIJF9pK.dpbs

I was appreciative as well. First, for the time with my daughter. Second, for her taste in music. And third, that I still have an open enough mind to experience and enjoy what I never thought I would appreciate. I’m glad to still be going in more than one direction.

jmm, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 14:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

lol at making sure the last line refers back to the title, good job.

Also his daughters really seem to dislike having birthday parties.

dem bow dem bow need calcium (seandalai), Wednesday, 16 July 2014 14:38 (1 month ago) Permalink

stole your babbit crack on facebook, sterl. this being about academics i figured i should cite it somewhere (but not there obviously, need to build up my cv).

j., Wednesday, 16 July 2014 18:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Not NYT, but some good Q/A here (via Digby):

http://online.wsj.com/articles/technical-glitch-clogs-up-u-s-visa-system-1406763970

In Washington, D.C., Mira Edmonds said her au pair's arrival from France, which was scheduled for last Sunday, has been indefinitely delayed. Ms. Edmonds, who is a lawyer, and her husband work full-time and depend on child care for their two children, ages 3 and 6. "I don't know how we're going to cope if she isn't here soon," Ms. Edmonds said.

schwantz, Friday, 1 August 2014 18:33 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Why even have kids at that point

Spectrum, Friday, 1 August 2014 18:47 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Nobody wants to have to leave their millions to charity when they die.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Friday, 1 August 2014 18:49 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

newsflash: dependable child care is important!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 1 August 2014 18:51 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Too bad there are no sitters in this country!

schwantz, Friday, 1 August 2014 19:05 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Eisalat - German for egg salad

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 3 August 2014 21:26 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

what a twist

Forks I'd Clove to Fu (silby), Sunday, 3 August 2014 22:14 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Here's a good one, with a thin veneer of "I am being a good liberal by questioning gender roles."

http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/08/07/if-we-link-boys-with-bedlam-what-does-that-say-to-our-girls/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

Yes, he and his 3-year-old brother have been cooped up in trains a lot in the last 10 days — from Paris to Brussels to the North Sea to London — but there’s also something about the Victorian molding in my friend’s terraced home that looks enough like the parkour course at his school to encourage him to make the attempt.

'arry Goldman (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 13 August 2014 18:51 (1 week ago) Permalink

Naturally, I am offended on behalf of my own children and instantly think of excuses (traveling is stressful, being on your best behavior all the time is exhausting), but I’m also offended on behalf of my friends’ kids.

'arry Goldman (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 13 August 2014 18:52 (1 week ago) Permalink

the parkour course at his school

So much quid/ag in this phrase

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 13 August 2014 21:29 (1 week ago) Permalink

not to mention it's being compared to "the Victorian molding in my friend's terraced home"

'arry Goldman (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 13 August 2014 21:38 (1 week ago) Permalink

Lynn Messina is a novelist living in New York City. Her most recent book is “The Harlow Hoyden,” a comedy of manners set in Regency England.

socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 14 August 2014 13:29 (1 week ago) Permalink

I want to start getting offended on behalf of my friends' kids

'arry Goldman (Hurting 2), Thursday, 14 August 2014 14:20 (1 week ago) Permalink


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