even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

people who are into late shaming have prob never had to take public transit a day in their lives.

And yet people who take public transit a minimum of five days a week, and who presumably know how unreliable it is, make some version of this excuse every time they're late getting somewhere, instead of thinking, "This appointment is particularly important - I better leave 30-60 minutes earlier than I might otherwise."

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:35 (3 months ago) Permalink

as a regular public transit-taker and somewhat habitually late person (who has improved a bit over the years but has further to go), this ^^^

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:44 (3 months ago) Permalink

i am literally always on time but this guy is such a capitalist daddy asshole caricature it's making me seriously rethink my assumption that it's important in every situation.

bicyclescope (mattresslessness), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:46 (3 months ago) Permalink

most curious about those years between competitive swimming and landmark forum. what a sad human being.

bicyclescope (mattresslessness), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:51 (3 months ago) Permalink

if anything it's good to be late every once in a while because it's an easy way to allow others to be empathetic towards you team-building.

bicyclescope (mattresslessness), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:59 (3 months ago) Permalink

Also used the phrase "coconut time" when referring to Miamians.

nickn, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 22:42 (3 months ago) Permalink

Not NYT, but incredible: http://www.elle.com/beauty/health-fitness/a28600/amanda-chantal-bacon-moon-juice-food-diary/

schwantz, Friday, 5 February 2016 20:33 (3 months ago) Permalink

p sure she is from the actual moon

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 5 February 2016 21:16 (3 months ago) Permalink

okay ilxor glenn alerted me to this parody and i am laughing:

https://medium.com/@boobsradley/between-my-hectic-job-and-nourishing-social-life-it-s-not-always-easy-to-find-the-time-to-make-aa9c48a5458b#.c4mv5we4w

"Breakfast is the same thing, every day: denuded feldspar. I soak it overnight in Mexican creek foam to create a pudding, which I suck from a vinegar-soaked sponge. It’s truly hands free, which lets me simultaneously do my sun grunts and marinate my anus in squeezed orange pith."

scott seward, Friday, 5 February 2016 21:34 (3 months ago) Permalink

"Then it was time to visit my west side shop. I spent the shank of the afternoon in a throne made of pygmy bone ivory, focus-grouping new juices and crêmes while picking my teeth with a minature sceptre made from the Dalai Llama’s sundried phlegm."

scott seward, Friday, 5 February 2016 21:35 (3 months ago) Permalink

please, please god, let schwantz's be a parody.

the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 6 February 2016 13:51 (3 months ago) Permalink

 I often alternate this with my other lunch staple: a nori roll with umeboshi paste, avocado, cultured sea vegetables, and pea sprouts. This is my version of a taco, and it's insanely delicious. These ingredients are all pantry staples, so I eat some version of this everyday.

the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 6 February 2016 13:51 (3 months ago) Permalink

the Medium parody one did indeed remind me of Aunt Diane's tweets.

scott seward, Saturday, 6 February 2016 14:24 (3 months ago) Permalink

so much real stuff on the internet can remind me of an old mark leyner novel. people striving to be NEXT LEVEL.

scott seward, Saturday, 6 February 2016 14:25 (3 months ago) Permalink

^^ omg so OTM

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 04:52 (3 months ago) Permalink

lol fuck, hadn't thought of Mark Leyner in a while but so true

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 05:09 (3 months ago) Permalink

"cultured sea vegetables" is prob dulse or seaweed but i like picturing her chomping on a sea squirt

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 05:11 (3 months ago) Permalink

Mark Leyner had a novel out like two years ago and it's FUCKING AMAZING you guys

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 05:39 (3 months ago) Permalink

This is good to know, I haven't checked in for twenty years.

Is it...something different?

Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:25 (3 months ago) Permalink

I loved those books, btw, but was ripe for it...dunno how I'd feel now

Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:27 (3 months ago) Permalink

It really is pretty different. The old ones I thought were funny and crazy, this one I think is funny and crazy and a work of real literary merit

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 02:38 (3 months ago) Permalink

cool I will check it out

Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 14:40 (3 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/fashion/millennials-mic-workplace.html

Unbelievably transparent hit piece about mic.com by Ben Widdecombe. Super gross

got a long list of ILXors (fgti), Saturday, 19 March 2016 18:59 (2 months ago) Permalink

The woman the author makes out to be a bimbo ("I, like, had to fax...") is an award winning journalist with a masters in gender's studies and has interviewed world leaders

got a long list of ILXors (fgti), Saturday, 19 March 2016 19:00 (2 months ago) Permalink

A trend story about snake people, by The New York Times

micah, Saturday, 26 March 2016 22:21 (2 months ago) Permalink

fgti otm, that "fax" quote reeked of cherrypicking a moment to make someone sound way more stupid than they actually are. To say nothing of reducing her work to "makes videos about manspreading"

intheblanks, Saturday, 26 March 2016 23:41 (2 months ago) Permalink

also i have no time for that slate piece, whose main thesis is "c'mon, total bullshit is delightful lol"

intheblanks, Saturday, 26 March 2016 23:42 (2 months ago) Permalink

Demand fewer articles about millennials more trend pieces about how foreign cab drivers love America, can't wait for us to invade their countries

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Sunday, 27 March 2016 14:01 (2 months ago) Permalink

Faxing is a totally stupid way of communicating anything award winning journo OTM.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 27 March 2016 14:39 (2 months ago) Permalink

also i have no time for that slate piece, whose main thesis is "c'mon, total bullshit is delightful lol"

― intheblanks, Saturday, March 26, 2016 7:42 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think Slate is OTM: it's fun to spot trends and you don't have to make a big deal out of it. but admittedly i hold that opinion somewhat contrarianistically, as someone who used to cry foul at every quid ag but now that the chorus of people who do so every time on twitter is louder and more annoying than the quid ags themselves

flopson, Monday, 28 March 2016 16:59 (2 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/04/15/five-things-i-wont-miss-at-the-times-and-seven-i-will/

4. Articles that celebrate the excesses of the 1 percent – like the recent real estate piece explaining that members of a certain class of homeowners feel they need something called a “four-pack”: a pied-à-terre in New York, a beach house in the Hamptons, a ski villa in Aspen and a winter condo in Miami. These were especially disturbing on days when, after getting off the subway, I once again had seen a particular diminutive woman who seemed for a time to be living in a crate in the Times Square station – or any one of the New Yorkers who lack even one humble home.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 17 April 2016 21:34 (1 month ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

not the NYT but so beautiful in so many different ways.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/02/further-future-festival-burning-man-tech-elite-eric-schmidt

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 13:26 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

“We’re so privileged to come to these spiritual places – Further Future, Tulum – but not everyone can,” the audience member says, asking Piorkowski how he should reconcile that.

“It’s all about balance. We are the ones meant to be the air, not the earth,” Piorkowski said. “So you have this group who can travel. The purpose can never be to enable everyone to travel because that would create imbalance.”

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 13:27 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

“It’s important what we do here,” Scott said. “That’s what we keep saying. We’re shaping the future. These are the people who not only can do it, but these are the only people who can.”

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 13:29 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

"It’s a curated, self-selected group of adults who have jobs,”

Curated and self-selected

jmm, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 14:08 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

lollllll at the air/earth quote

sisterhood of the baggering vance (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 14:34 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

pretty much perfect for the thread:

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-hawaii-millionaire-fight/

although I will say that in spite of the x-treme quiddagginess, there are insights in there to be found about extreme wealth inequality, greed, and resource-hogging. First they came for the millionaires. Actually it's the other way around, first they came for everyone else. But if even the millionaires get treated as "second class" it says something about what wealth inequality does.

JWoww Gilberto (man alive), Friday, 13 May 2016 16:14 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

When you are so wealthy that you need not work to live luxuriously, then you have to invent a reason why you are not a parasite battened on the life blood of society.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 13 May 2016 16:20 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

^writing something like that as a perfectly straight feature story must require nerves of steel or else brains of cork

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 13 May 2016 18:52 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

oh snap y'all, the bride is a friend of a friend. not sure we've ever hung out as such but i have seen her face on my friend's facebook/myspace/friendster a million times. i used to hang out with bridesmaid #4 (in the first picture) years and years ago, and worked at a crappy library job with bridesmaid #3. ime all three are super super nice people. i have no idea why this is a news story or an NYT story for that matter but i hope they at least got free pretty wedding photos out of it? i have no idea how the 'vows' section works though.

sisterhood of the baggering vance (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 14 May 2016 00:12 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

reminds me of the time i picked up a huge stack of 80's Architectural Digests for free. they hurt my eyes.

scott seward, Saturday, 14 May 2016 21:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

doesn't look very cozy... not the kind of place you could nestle into a corner and drink a beer and watch the world roll by.

ian, Saturday, 14 May 2016 21:46 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Boom goes the cannon we're abandoning Kip's Bay

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Sunday, 15 May 2016 02:06 (1 week ago) Permalink

my god it's a disaster

ulysses, Sunday, 15 May 2016 14:52 (1 week ago) Permalink

“We’re so privileged to come to these spiritual places – Further Future, Tulum – but not everyone can,” the audience member says, asking Piorkowski how he should reconcile that.

“It’s all about balance. We are the ones meant to be the air, not the earth,” Piorkowski said. “So you have this group who can travel. The purpose can never be to enable everyone to travel because that would create imbalance.”

― scott seward, Tuesday, May 3, 2016 9:27 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

“It’s important what we do here,” Scott said. “That’s what we keep saying. We’re shaping the future. These are the people who not only can do it, but these are the only people who can.”

― scott seward, Tuesday, May 3, 2016 9:29 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I try to avoid the point-and-laugh threads, but I actually know someone like this from school, a burner/banker (or whatever). Circa our last reunion, he posted on facebook that he was going/invited people to some spiritual self-actualizing event on the side. I commented that I was going/invited people to the climate march. He had a sad.

normcore strengthening exercises (benbbag), Sunday, 15 May 2016 15:21 (1 week ago) Permalink

if like my dad you missed the cartoon in section 4 yesterday, i'm guessing it was censored after a lawsuit threat from the Drumpf people or internally in anticipation thereof

normcore strengthening exercises (benbbag), Monday, 16 May 2016 11:38 (1 week ago) Permalink


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