even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

or that gay men have the worst fucking taste on the planet

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 June 2015 19:34 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I like how he takes pains to put the word "dowdy" in someone else's mouth at the beginning of the piece. Nice self-exoneration there.

Also, I wonder what world that guy lives in where "unfashionable hairstyles" are a primary barrier to relationship formation.

intheblanks, Friday, 19 June 2015 21:08 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Every therapist at some point discovers his limitations, be it a type of person he can’t help or an issue he is unable to successfully address. For whatever reason — a poor match of patient and doctor? my own deficiencies as a therapist? the complexities of our society’s gender relations? — the dowdy patient was mine.­

Maybe this whole piece is his way of saying "Sexy Patients Only, Please"

intheblanks, Friday, 19 June 2015 21:12 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Psychiatric Help 5¢
The Doctor Is In
No Fat Chicks

here i am in the land of large breakfasts (Doctor Casino), Friday, 19 June 2015 21:32 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I looked at dude's background and not sure how he can claim "years of psychotherapy training." Dude went to med school, then did psych residency. None of that involves training or practice in actual psychotherapy. His deficiencies in psychotherapy training are painfully obvious. Dude should stick to meeting with patients for 10 minutes every 3 months to write scripts.

I can and will totally nail this guy in the balls should I ever run into him.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 19 June 2015 23:24 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i'm generally inclined to shrug and say 'ugh, lame' but then there's the fact that he thought writing this in the new york times was a good idea

mookieproof, Friday, 19 June 2015 23:31 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah, absolutely. But I am also shocked at this psychiatrist's comically shallow view of human psychology! "If you'd just do something about those shoes, then you'd land a man!" This is sub-Cosmo idiocy.

intheblanks, Friday, 19 June 2015 23:42 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Like how many people do you know who don't have conventionally "good" fashion sense, and have been able to enter and maintain relationships that fulfill their needs?

intheblanks, Friday, 19 June 2015 23:43 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Just to be clear, I know like a million people who fit that description. Re-reading my question, I worry that I'm stating the opposite!

intheblanks, Friday, 19 June 2015 23:44 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

apparently this guy teaches at columbia. wow. i'd hope to see some blowback on campus, but it's summer and things are pretty quiet.

here i am in the land of large breakfasts (Doctor Casino), Friday, 19 June 2015 23:58 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

really the achilles heel of campus activism, do whatever the crap you want on summer break (results may vary at Dartmouth)

jennifer islam (silby), Saturday, 20 June 2015 01:51 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

mookieproof, Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:06 (1 week ago) Permalink

smdh

literally smdh

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:12 (1 week ago) Permalink

her uterus literally aches

mookieproof, Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:16 (1 week ago) Permalink

Key theme of that article is that they're better than everyone, and that is what truly makes it unfair that they have to make basic human choices about finances.

intheblanks, Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:44 (1 week ago) Permalink

It's a strange mourning process I can't really discuss openly with others, mainly because people our age often don't plan as meticulously as we do.

It's our quiet sacrifice but it's also our beautiful life, well-earned and fully-lived.

intheblanks, Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:47 (1 week ago) Permalink

Can't believe that isn't Clickhole.

schwantz, Thursday, 25 June 2015 21:56 (1 week ago) Permalink

We planned our family. It's something unique to us as superior people. We call it family planning. We're the first to ever think of it.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Thursday, 25 June 2015 22:11 (1 week ago) Permalink

quietly

Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 June 2015 22:12 (1 week ago) Permalink

and not to be discussed openly

Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 June 2015 22:12 (1 week ago) Permalink

like in a blog article

Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 June 2015 22:12 (1 week ago) Permalink

Jesus Christ she's a stay at home mom. Go back to work and you can probably afford that third kid you twit.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Thursday, 25 June 2015 22:15 (1 week ago) Permalink

ehhh idk about that

Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 June 2015 22:19 (1 week ago) Permalink

She covers that in the article! Going back to work means they'd have to pay for childcare for all three kids, which would eat up the entire extra salary she would make as a teacher.

intheblanks, Thursday, 25 June 2015 22:22 (1 week ago) Permalink

haaaaa these comments

Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 25 June 2015 22:24 (1 week ago) Permalink

Emily Sue Lund · Chicago, Illinois
I couldn't even make it all the way through. It's terribly written and makes me wonder if her uterus aches because someone punched her in it after hearing her sad little tale of woe.
Reply · · 5 · about an hour ago

Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 25 June 2015 22:24 (1 week ago) Permalink

lol

Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 June 2015 22:29 (1 week ago) Permalink

She covers that in the article! Going back to work means they'd have to pay for childcare for all three kids, which would eat up the entire extra salary she would make as a teacher.

I couldn't get that far.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Thursday, 25 June 2015 23:17 (1 week ago) Permalink

This is the American dream and we are in it, living it, every day, just the four of us.

I do appreciate her restraint in not adding "Fuck everyone else." to the end of that sentence.

That said, this is pretty standard issue upper middle class suburban nonsense from Elle magazine, not really on the same level as what fills up the read of this thread (the national paper of record's tendency to fill its pages with flattering puff pieces on the incredibly wealthy and actually powerful)

intheblanks, Thursday, 25 June 2015 23:28 (1 week ago) Permalink

the rest of this thread, I mean….not "the read of this thread"

intheblanks, Thursday, 25 June 2015 23:28 (1 week ago) Permalink

All these articles about how upper-middle class families save money with a stay-at-home parent, I'm not sure how my parents and every single family I grew up around (all two-worker working/middle class) managed to survive.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 25 June 2015 23:29 (1 week ago) Permalink

I hope they pull the trigger on downsizing and it turns out she's infertile.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 25 June 2015 23:30 (1 week ago) Permalink

If you're rich and think that you need to pay 15K per child per year in child care, then it saves money to have the teacher or nonprofit worker in your partnership be a stay-at-home parent while you go to the law firm or your IT job or whatever.

intheblanks, Thursday, 25 June 2015 23:33 (1 week ago) Permalink

Lest I sound too condescending there, I should note that I'm a teacher married to a nonprofit worker

intheblanks, Thursday, 25 June 2015 23:34 (1 week ago) Permalink

I have two kids and to be honest that's kind of a lot of kids

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 26 June 2015 00:06 (1 week ago) Permalink

I hope they pull the trigger on downsizing and it turns out she's infertile.

Oof I know this is a joke and these are horrible people but having been infertile myself it's a rough thing to wish on somebody, even in jest.

Also yeah I'd like to look at her cost breakdown of childcare. It's not cheap but would it really entirely offset a teacher's salary? Probably the childcare arrangements they would be willing to entertain would.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Friday, 26 June 2015 00:53 (1 week ago) Permalink

canned food for an entire year huh

j., Friday, 26 June 2015 02:51 (1 week ago) Permalink

The downsides of flying private

mookieproof, Friday, 26 June 2015 19:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

It's not cheap but would it really entirely offset a teacher's salary?

granted I live in San Francisco but it's not just teacher's salaries that this applies to. Just getting 40hr work week care would have totally eaten up my wife's insurance broker salary had she decided to keep working.

Οὖτις, Friday, 26 June 2015 20:03 (1 week ago) Permalink

and I'm not talking some high-priced fancy facility childcare type deal, I mean like even home-based operations provided by neighbors would have taken the majority of her salary.

Οὖτις, Friday, 26 June 2015 20:03 (1 week ago) Permalink

ha i was just about to ask that. the ability to do it in Colorado on fairly average salaries is largely dependent on the amenities/facilities/quality of care you want to provide.

i got to sit through two associates talking about the travails of nanny-finding and dealing with nanny-poaching not long ago. i wanted to spit and walk out the door by the time the meeting started.

wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Friday, 26 June 2015 20:09 (1 week ago) Permalink

I do find the nanny-culture disconcerting. I didn't know a single person that had a nanny growing up. now I'm surrounded by them.

Οὖτις, Friday, 26 June 2015 20:17 (1 week ago) Permalink

rare case in which the comments are a good read

"I know exactly how she feels. I have a nice house and my kids are grown but I have 2 fishing boats. And I long for a bigger 48ft sportfishing boat."

marcos, Friday, 26 June 2015 20:27 (1 week ago) Permalink

that private flying piece is magnificent

marcos, Friday, 26 June 2015 20:33 (1 week ago) Permalink

Those services break down into four categories: chartering a jet, buying a set number of hours in a jet program, getting a fractional interest in a plane or putting down tens of millions of dollars for your own aircraft. Each one has its defenders and its detractors. But Mr. O’Leary says what matters the most is how a private plane is to be used, whether by just one person or several executives.

marcos, Friday, 26 June 2015 20:33 (1 week ago) Permalink

He said the price could be as low as $5,000 an hour for an off-peak flight lasting five to six hours, and run up to $12,000 an hour for a short flight during peak time. But once that price is set, it doesn’t change. “If you pay $21,000 for the trip, we’ll get there whether it takes three hours or five hours,” he said.

marcos, Friday, 26 June 2015 20:34 (1 week ago) Permalink

is this part of uber yet?

wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Friday, 26 June 2015 20:37 (1 week ago) Permalink

WonderSitter!

schwantz, Friday, 26 June 2015 20:37 (1 week ago) Permalink

what a punchline there:

But as he tells his clients who wonder if the jet was a good purchase, “You own a 20,000 square-foot house in Bel Air. Did you need that space?” When they say no, he tells them: “The airplane is the same thing. Buy it because you can afford it and you want it.”

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 27 June 2015 03:08 (1 week ago) Permalink


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