even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (four years ago) Permalink

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (four years ago) Permalink

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (four years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (four years ago) Permalink

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (four years ago) Permalink

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (four years ago) Permalink

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (four years ago) Permalink

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (four years ago) Permalink

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (four years ago) Permalink

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (four years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (four years ago) Permalink

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (four years ago) Permalink

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (four years ago) Permalink

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (four years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (four years ago) Permalink

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (four years ago) Permalink

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (four years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (four years ago) Permalink

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (four years ago) Permalink

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (four years ago) Permalink

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (four years ago) Permalink

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (four years ago) Permalink

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (four years ago) Permalink

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (four years ago) Permalink

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (four years ago) Permalink

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (four years ago) Permalink

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (four years ago) Permalink

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (four years ago) Permalink

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (four years ago) Permalink

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (four years ago) Permalink

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (four years ago) Permalink

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (four years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (four years ago) Permalink

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (four years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

goole, Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:57 (four years ago) Permalink

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (four years ago) Permalink

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (four years ago) Permalink

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (four years ago) Permalink

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (four years ago) Permalink

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (four years ago) Permalink

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (four years ago) Permalink

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (four years ago) Permalink

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (four years ago) Permalink

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (four years ago) Permalink

She decided to find out what $400,000 would buy elsewhere in Brooklyn. “I am a person who can make a lot out of nothing,”

qualx, Saturday, 20 August 2016 16:31 (six months ago) Permalink

who decorated in a contemporary Scandinavian style

qualx, Saturday, 20 August 2016 16:39 (six months ago) Permalink

qualx, Saturday, 20 August 2016 16:40 (six months ago) Permalink

At a one-bedroom in Crown Heights, she realized how far the neighborhood was from work and friends. With some subway trains out of service that day, the trip was lengthy and confusing.

, Saturday, 20 August 2016 16:42 (six months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

i'm not gonna click on this but

Postcards From the Hajj

Amid two million other pilgrims, a Times correspondent performed the sacred rites of the hajj. Although helicopter rides and other V.I.P. perks eased the process a little.

j., Wednesday, 14 September 2016 02:04 (five months ago) Permalink

the luxe hajj

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 September 2016 02:19 (five months ago) Permalink

mookieproof, Monday, 26 September 2016 14:50 (five months ago) Permalink

not to be confused with that other asshole dog

thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 05:16 (five months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Forget ‘Pat the Bunny.’ My Child Is Reading Hemingway.

Alice Hemmer’s favorite part of Jack Kerouac’s novel “On the Road” doesn’t involve the drug-addled cross-country road trips, encounters with prostitutes in Mexico or wild parties in Manhattan. Alice, who is 5 and lives in a Chicago suburb, likes the part when Sal Paradise eats ice cream and apple pie whenever he feels hungry.

She hasn’t actually read Kerouac’s 320-page, amphetamine-fueled, stream-of-consciousness classic. (Alice is a precocious reader, but not that precocious.) Instead, her father read her a heavily abridged and sanitized illustrated version of “On the Road” designed for six- to 12-year-old children.

“She didn’t love it,” said her father, Kurt Hemmer, an English professor at Harper College and scholar of the Beat Generation, who noted that even some college students failed to appreciate the novel’s subtle spiritual message. “To really grasp it, you need to be a bit more mature.”

na (NA), Monday, 19 December 2016 17:02 (two months ago) Permalink

bc everyone knows the value of great novels not from the language or characterization but from the bare bones of their plots

na (NA), Monday, 19 December 2016 17:03 (two months ago) Permalink

I mean this is dumb but I read plenty of abridged versions of classic novels when I was a kid

Number None, Monday, 19 December 2016 17:06 (two months ago) Permalink

we have the pride & prejudice board book that someone gave us but it's basically just a counting book using aspects of P&P for the things you count. it doesn't try to summarize the plot or anything.

na (NA), Monday, 19 December 2016 17:09 (two months ago) Permalink

i still know the plots of any number of "great books" solely through classics illustrated

A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 19 December 2016 18:03 (two months ago) Permalink

I had a few of these. My mother called them "cheaty books."

mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Monday, 19 December 2016 18:08 (two months ago) Permalink

i think all the books you guys are talking about differ from what's being discussed in that article pretty significantly

na (NA), Monday, 19 December 2016 18:33 (two months ago) Permalink

I was specifically responding to

bc everyone knows the value of great novels not from the language or characterization but from the bare bones of their plots

kid's version of On The Road is probably an improvement tbh

Number None, Monday, 19 December 2016 18:58 (two months ago) Permalink

My mom was one of those people with inordinate faith in "classics" being some kind of brain pill. I think it partially ruined reading for me.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 19 December 2016 19:01 (two months ago) Permalink

not sure if this fits better itt or somewhere else but hey it's a nytimes puff piece on megyn kelly, ughhh http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/fashion/megyn-kelly-fox-fashion.html

marcos, Monday, 19 December 2016 22:08 (two months ago) Permalink

“To really grasp it, you need to be a bit more mature.”

jesus, more like you have to be 16.

scott seward, Monday, 19 December 2016 22:12 (two months ago) Permalink

English professors who specialize in Beatnik books. one of the sadder things i can think of. you only have one life on this earth.

scott seward, Monday, 19 December 2016 22:13 (two months ago) Permalink

this is why we need more original children's literature not these cynical IP cash grabs

qualx, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 05:52 (two months ago) Permalink

I think there are a few people working on that

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 16:13 (two months ago) Permalink

Not quid-ag, but this story about a rift between Dickens societies made me smile (and has good photos).

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/nyregion/a-dickensian-divide-but-united-in-holiday-cheer.html

jmm, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 16:18 (two months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

is wanting H Clinton to be elected to ANYTHING a quiddity?

http://theslot.jezebel.com/the-new-york-times-s-boner-for-a-hillary-clinton-mayora-1790904716

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 January 2017 13:00 (one month ago) Permalink

don't see how it could be given that it's an extremely widespread sentiment outside the ruling class

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 9 January 2017 13:44 (one month ago) Permalink

really? for her to be reality-show mayor?

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 January 2017 14:08 (one month ago) Permalink

you said "anything"

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 9 January 2017 15:08 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/weddings/165-years-of-wedding-announcements

ON LIKE DONKEY KONG

a four-week series

j., Tuesday, 24 January 2017 21:52 (one month ago) Permalink

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/magazine/should-you-report-a-green-card-marriage.html

But it is the nature of the nation-state arrangement that states have a right to regulate who crosses their borders. You may disagree with one feature or another of our system, but over all it is fairer than many others.

ha!

And if someone abuses it by the sort of fraud you have described, they are not only breaking the law, they are jumping a queue that millions of other people have formed by applying properly and then waiting their turn.

this could only have been written by someone completely ignorant of how US immigration works.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 28 January 2017 21:11 (one month ago) Permalink

or the ICE!

qualx, Saturday, 28 January 2017 22:24 (one month ago) Permalink

the other ethicist piece from last week makes me wanna kill

Our daughter has been dating a young man for five years. She is a senior at a public university. Her boyfriend has completed two years of community college and one semester of private college and recently tried to transfer to her public university. He owes the private college tens of thousands of dollars. The private college won’t release his transcript without full payment, so he couldn’t provide the transcript to the public university, and thus it denied him final admission.

Three months ago, our daughter asked us to help. We offered to give him $10,000, which he was reluctant to accept but then agreed to after our urging and reassurances. Two and a half months went by as we waited for him to raise the rest of the money and negotiate terms with the private college and its collection agency. However, two weeks ago, we withdrew our offer after discussing the issue with our friends and family, who strongly warned us against such a financial entanglement.

My wife, friends and family feel certain that we did the right thing. Their reasoning is that creating a financially dependent relationship in which Mom and Dad’s money can be counted on whenever it is needed is a bad precedent to set for our daughter. Others have said that her boyfriend will eventually be grateful that we did this: If he finds a way to pay off the loan and go to the university, he will value it more and be more proud of himself. Further, my wife says that my daughter should be doing more herself to help him rather than asking us for the money.

I agree with all that, and yet I really feel for her boyfriend as a person, a young man, who has had to deal with many family misfortunes not of his making. He has paid for all his community college himself. He screwed up by going to the private college and not making payments. I don’t see him as the right person for my daughter in the long term. We’ve never felt really close to him. And yet I feel as though we handled this poorly and there may still be another option. What are your thoughts? Name Withheld

It’s worth noting the background problem here: This young man was drawn into debt he can’t afford by the private college that he attended. Taking advantage of vulnerable people — in this case, a young man with ambitions and neither money nor family support — is a paradigm of exploitation. Nor is the college’s decision to withhold his transcript entirely rational, because that reduces the probability that the college will be paid in the end. Our president-elect has said he wants to help with student debt, but the plans he has described so far do not suggest a program that will solve this young man’s problem, and recent Republican orthodoxy runs against plans for college-debt refinancing or forgiveness. I doubt, in short, that there’s relief for him in sight.

None of this is your fault, of course. But I agree that you’ve handled this situation poorly. Making an offer and then withdrawing it was unkind — worse, surely, than never having made the offer. And I’m puzzled at the notion that “creating a financially dependent relationship” is a “bad precedent” to set for your daughter. She hasn’t proposed that she should be able to rely on you whenever she needs to for the rest of her life. She’s asking for help for the man I assume she’s planning to make a life with, so that he can get on with his education. With the right start in their life together, in fact, they’re much less likely to have to ask for help in future.

But the rest of your circle probably wouldn’t feel as they do if your daughter were the one in trouble. I suspect that they’ve misdescribed their objection: What they really think is that it’s not worth investing in a young man if he isn’t going to end up in your family. That’s not a crazy thought, especially given your doubts about him. So I suggest you tell your daughter the truth. And if she stops speaking to you for a while, you can reassure your wife and friends that she won’t be asking for money from you again anytime soon.

A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 30 January 2017 01:20 (one month ago) Permalink

This was an answer hiding in plain sight. The Muzaffarpur area produces about 70 percent of India’s lychee harvest, and around the affected villages, “you really couldn’t go 100 meters without bumping into a lychee orchard,” Dr. Srikantiah said, referring to a distance of 330 feet.

potential grizzly (remy bean), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 22:46 (one month ago) Permalink

lol

mookieproof, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 22:50 (one month ago) Permalink

Heaven forbid Americans have to parse metric.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 00:06 (three weeks ago) Permalink

We speak Murican here

rb (soda), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 02:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

surprised it didn't say 'a distance roughly the length of a football field'

mookieproof, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 02:29 (three weeks ago) Permalink

not sure it's worth the link but Travel section's "36 Hours" feature yesterday was Brooklyn SOUTH OF WILLIAMSBURG!

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 February 2017 22:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

loool

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 February 2017 23:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink

1 - that's fake news
2 - what a very weird thing to put in a major newspaper

She leaned in and said, “Your children are charming to no one but you.”

She started to flounce out. Her back was turned to me, but I knew she must be smirking, pleased by her clever insult. She wanted me to be shamed and stunned. I tried to formulate a quip about how our kids would help pay for her Social Security someday. Instead, I said: “I hope someone takes care of you when you’re old.”

She stiffened and whirled around. “B —, I have a great relationship with my children,” she snarled. “And they never behaved like this!”

She stormed out of the restaurant. Evidently, I’d hit a nerve.

removed from the rain drops and drop tops of experience (ulysses), Sunday, 19 February 2017 07:28 (one week ago) Permalink

better response would have been "I'll pray for you"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 19 February 2017 10:34 (one week ago) Permalink

"You just became clickbait"

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 14:23 (one week ago) Permalink

"Lady, if you were real I'd sock ya right in the kisser"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 16:24 (one week ago) Permalink

"I also needed to start earning more as my fiancee has exacting standards”

the world's little sunbeam (in orbit), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 17:28 (six days ago) Permalink


What can be done to fix the game of baseball? The New York Times would like to hear from readers.

GUESS WHAT, motherfuckers?

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 February 2017 18:53 (four days ago) Permalink

ask the Black Sox

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 24 February 2017 19:06 (four days ago) Permalink


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