even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Morbs, I'm not even touching your "squealing idiocy" because I like to like you, and to address that seriously I'd have to see you in a way that I don't want to. You, sir, are straight trolling.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 29 August 2014 16:30 (4 days ago) Permalink

xp why should you presume that i am incapable of telling the difference between, for example, contriving and some other manner of doing something? if you are contending that it should not be possible to observe and describe what someone does as contriving to do something or other, without that description constituting an act of dismissal or demeaning, then i would question whether you are not operating under other assumptions that would bar people from making good-faith judgments about the most ordinary interactions.

j., Friday, 29 August 2014 16:32 (4 days ago) Permalink

io otm itt, also

you get a nice little debate about high-waist going
you get a nice little debate about high-waist going
you get a nice little debate about high-waist going
you get a nice little debate about high-waist going
you get a nice little debate about high-waist going
you get a nice little debate about high-waist going
you get a nice little debate about high-waist going
you get a nice little debate about high-waist going

― Hadrian VIII, Friday, August 29, 2014 8:06 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

now what’s trending is grazing (silby), Friday, 29 August 2014 16:34 (4 days ago) Permalink

xp furthermore, i didn't say anything that denied that the group i saw could have been doing all the things i mentioned. but it's not clear that if they were, they couldn't be also doing them in a way (the way i described) that would have its own costs for the ways that people relate to each other, conceive of themselves, etc., and that that way would be open to critique.

j., Friday, 29 August 2014 16:35 (4 days ago) Permalink

this is an important conversation/argument and I am doing my best to refrain from derailing it but that quote is simply amazing

stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Friday, 29 August 2014 16:37 (4 days ago) Permalink

oh cmon, you wrote "total penetration"
you're just trying to be annoying! give it a rest
"i feel like i already complained about this..." --> maybe don't complain about it again?

everyone is so aggravated all the time
it's tiring

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Friday, 29 August 2014 16:38 (4 days ago) Permalink

io so on the money.

how's life, Friday, 29 August 2014 16:39 (4 days ago) Permalink

getting a nice little debate about high-waist going

how's life, Friday, 29 August 2014 16:43 (4 days ago) Permalink

imo it's easy to forget that simply going to a coffee shop is a pretty exciting thing for a teenager to do, especially if surrounded by a bunch of other teenagers they know, and well, better preening and taking photos than demonstratively smoking 1000 cigarettes right beside you which is what i did at coffee shops when i was a teenager

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 August 2014 20:16 (4 days ago) Permalink

god i was a fucking know-it-all dick #stillam

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 August 2014 20:16 (4 days ago) Permalink

can't smoke in a coffee shop in 2014, though in Seattle maybe you can get away with vaping

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Friday, 29 August 2014 20:29 (4 days ago) Permalink

top summer pastime around here is, like, "can I get away with vaping here"

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Friday, 29 August 2014 20:29 (4 days ago) Permalink

After being in Seattle twice last month, the answer to that seems to be a perpetual and enthusiastic "yes".

joygoat, Friday, 29 August 2014 20:34 (4 days ago) Permalink

vaping indoors really isn't much better than smoking and I wish it weren't encouraged

odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Friday, 29 August 2014 20:38 (4 days ago) Permalink

teens being bored and boring shocker. remember being on the phone for hours at home and your ear would hurt and you'd have to switch to your other ear? the internet has saved our ears.

scott seward, Friday, 29 August 2014 20:38 (4 days ago) Permalink

i remember long-distance phone bills in the hundreds of dollars.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 August 2014 20:53 (4 days ago) Permalink

i basically forfeited my allowance for a year because of a particularly intense long-distance relationship i had with a girl in johnson city.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 August 2014 20:54 (4 days ago) Permalink

i had one of those too (only after the long distance charges for the place i called had been discontinued, thankfully) but i don't think the fact that it was over the phone means that there is nothing significantly different and worth questioning about contemporary habits of online identity presentation and social interaction.

j., Friday, 29 August 2014 21:00 (4 days ago) Permalink

"Social media might be ... bad!?!? ... for human interaction" isn't really worth discussing any further in 2014.

Immediate Follower (NA), Friday, 29 August 2014 21:08 (4 days ago) Permalink

i value your contributions to ilx as well, thank you for sharing them and helping to make it an inviting place for conversation

j., Friday, 29 August 2014 21:09 (4 days ago) Permalink

We could have a conversation about a dude by himself in a coffee shop "observing" teenage girls if you want.

Immediate Follower (NA), Friday, 29 August 2014 21:12 (4 days ago) Permalink

or the use of "scare quotes" to make "insinuations", its a cornucopia in here

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Friday, 29 August 2014 21:15 (4 days ago) Permalink

we could have a conversation about you fucking off, NA. what are you adding here? what is it you seek to gain, other than shutting others down?

j., Friday, 29 August 2014 21:18 (4 days ago) Permalink

you guys sound like a gaggle of teenyboppers.

scott seward, Friday, 29 August 2014 21:19 (4 days ago) Permalink

You can gaggle on my teenyboppers.

Immediate Follower (NA), Friday, 29 August 2014 21:36 (4 days ago) Permalink

That was inappropriate and disgusting but it was right there. Sorry.

Immediate Follower (NA), Friday, 29 August 2014 21:37 (4 days ago) Permalink

no way it was hot

mattresslessness, Friday, 29 August 2014 21:41 (4 days ago) Permalink

big up idiots teens 4 eva

╲╱\/╲/\╱╲╱\/\ (gr8080), Friday, 29 August 2014 23:25 (4 days ago) Permalink

holla @ scott seward for making me nostalgic about "phone ear"

teens rule, grownups drool

SEEMS TO ME (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 August 2014 00:07 (3 days ago) Permalink

the entire fucking Friday frontpage art section is dominated by two pieces discussing "when is it too late to enter the theater" and "when is it okay to leave the theater before the show is over"

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 30 August 2014 05:05 (3 days ago) Permalink

The curtain rose five minutes ago, the corps de ballet is building the atmosphere, the ballerina is about to enter, the audience is collecting itself in mounting excitement when — — “Excuse me, I’m so sorry.” Upheaval follows. Sometimes eight people have to rise or adjust themselves as the patrons claiming the ninth and 10th seats make their way past.

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 30 August 2014 05:13 (3 days ago) Permalink

Sherry Nicholson, a retired commercial-property manager in Ijamsville, Md., came to see Jimmy Buffett at a concert in Virginia but left early. The fault lay with the parrotheads, not the performer. “Everyone was standing up, hollering the words to the songs,” she said. “I didn’t come to hear them or see their backs.”

Cheryl Bohlin, a dealer in vintage clothing and used books, left Jack White’s concert at Radio City, despite spending $150 on a ticket, when Mr. White turned aggressive. “I guess he was offended by the look of us,” Ms. Bohlin said. “He said, ‘You all bought your tickets on StubHub, you’re an NPR crowd.”

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 30 August 2014 05:13 (3 days ago) Permalink

“Everyone was standing up, hollering the words to the songs,”

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Saturday, 30 August 2014 05:24 (3 days ago) Permalink

I'll never get the sound out of my fur coat

SEEMS TO ME (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 August 2014 06:25 (3 days ago) Permalink

nice

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 30 August 2014 08:59 (3 days ago) Permalink

:D

how's life, Saturday, 30 August 2014 10:17 (3 days ago) Permalink

its like those two articles were written just for us.

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Saturday, 30 August 2014 12:24 (3 days ago) Permalink

for the record it was "NPR convention".

scott seward, Saturday, 30 August 2014 13:20 (3 days ago) Permalink

that was the show where he played for 45 minutes and left because he hated everyone.

scott seward, Saturday, 30 August 2014 13:21 (3 days ago) Permalink

would be great if he did that at all his shows

odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Saturday, 30 August 2014 14:01 (3 days ago) Permalink

:)

scott seward, Saturday, 30 August 2014 14:10 (3 days ago) Permalink

who does he think buys his "records"?

io, tbqh, i don't like "squealing idiocies" when they come out of the mouths of hegemonic 38-year-old faggots either.

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 30 August 2014 15:00 (3 days ago) Permalink

We need a dedicated NYT Real Estate thread imo

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/realestate/a-brooklyn-apartment-search-ends-in-crown-heights.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

Her studio was tiny but had a balcony, though she rarely used it because the ambient street noise was annoyingly loud when she sat out there with her computer.

, Saturday, 30 August 2014 17:12 (3 days ago) Permalink

Disappointed, she checked out another small Park Slope building, this one on Carroll Street. There she saw a tiny ground-floor studio for $1,800 a month. “You pay for the neighborhood,” Ms. Fuchimoto said.

The room had a quaint bay window protected by handsome bars, but Ms. Hartley didn’t want bars on the windows, no matter how nice they were.

A $2,000-a-month studio on Court Street in Brooklyn Heights was in the thick of a busy neighborhood. Popeyes chicken was downstairs; McDonald’s was next door. Ms. Hartley worried about noise and odors. “I wasn’t into it,” she said. “You go out and it is just jammed with people.”

She was tempted to take an attic one-bedroom on Schermerhorn Street in Brooklyn Heights, also for $2,000 a month, even though it was the strangest apartment she had ever seen.

...

There was no buzzer, however, so when friends visited she would need to go downstairs to let them in.

, Saturday, 30 August 2014 17:17 (3 days ago) Permalink

Every sentence is amazing.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Saturday, 30 August 2014 17:19 (3 days ago) Permalink

Yeah

Most quid part: The landlord, however, would not accept guarantors or co-signers outside the tristate area, and Ms. Hartley, who is from the Twin Cities in Minnesota, has an arrangement with her parents to pay her rent until she finishes school, at which point she will begin paying them back.

, Saturday, 30 August 2014 17:21 (3 days ago) Permalink

I'm amazed that's all in one sentence

, Saturday, 30 August 2014 17:22 (3 days ago) Permalink

all incredible

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Saturday, 30 August 2014 17:40 (3 days ago) Permalink

stunning

SEEMS TO ME (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 August 2014 18:01 (3 days ago) Permalink


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