even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

And once, I cut a paper towel in half to make the roll last longer when the select-a-size roll I wanted wasn’t on sale

and the heavens parted

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 15:58 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I tear off bits of kitchen roll to suit my purposes & not waste the extra all the time. Didn't realise this was a marker of abject penury. Alas, alack, woe is me.

emil.y, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 15:58 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Aside from all the rage-gawking, their finances literally make no sense. Like unless the husband has a secret cocaine habit or something I cannot figure out how, with their housing expenses and their income, even assuming large student loan payments, they can't live larger than she claims.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 15:59 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Maybe they are socking away an obscene sum for retirement? Do they take $35,000 worth of vacations every year? Like I am supporting two kids in New York City on sooooooo much less money and basically feel like we live a materially good life albeit can't save that much.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 16:01 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Well, they clearly buy ridiculous things - hence the baby grand piano that they have in their "tiny" apartment (note to author - if you can fit a baby grand in it, it's not tiny).

emil.y, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 16:02 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I mean, in some ways I get it - the area that I come from was in days of yore called "bread & lard island", because the story goes that the people who moved there would spend their money on their nice big house and live off nothing but bread and lard in private. I understand that there is often a disparity between appearance and reality. I also understand that rents/house prices in major metropolitan areas are obscene and something really should be done about it. But I don't feel sorry for these people at all. They have plenty of choices, plenty of options, and if the worst things that happen to them include having to cut bits off kitchen roll or use a voucher to save some money, they can honestly just go fuck themselves.

emil.y, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 16:06 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

It's a relatively minor quiddity but I can't wrap my head around thing like a $250k inheritance meriting less than a sentence. $250k is change your life money!

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 16:08 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

They bought a $735,000 co-op and used an inheritance for the down payment, so it's not like they have a multi-million-dollar mortgage to pay off. Even if their co-op fees are like $1500 or $2000 /month their housing costs should be a pretty small fraction of their take-home pay. Something is obviously missing from the story.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 16:10 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Their horse habit.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 16:52 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

it's really worth reading til the end. her way out of this suffocating sitch? buy a cottage in the country! now why didn't I think of that??

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 21:06 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

it's the really the perfect twist

Number None, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 21:46 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

this is the prize winner for the year so far. it's gonna take something remarkably tone deaf to beat this.

scott seward, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 21:55 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

top three moments for me:

"he was eating nuts in his underwear..."

“I’m going to cut you, white bitch!”

"playing outside with our beloved dog Tuck Noodle..."

scott seward, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 21:59 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I should really read the Observer more often!

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 22:05 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I tapped out after "Instead we silently watch our paychecks turn to vapor as we pay for our high taxes and uncomfortable home."

And whining about an hour long commute? Fuck, come live in Australia, plenty of people -wealthy people even! - commute for much longer than that to get to the city for their jobs.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 23:55 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

How can this story even be real?? Bottom of the 1%, mortgage under a mil, mid-30s (so at least a large part of the student loans are paid off given their income) - they must be tucking away an awful lot and sharing with family or something. But like investing half your giant pay check by choice does not make you technically poor... Or at least doesn't give you reason to write a piece bemoaning your so called sorry state! So funny and weird

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 7 July 2016 00:00 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I hope her name's in the Panama papers

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 7 July 2016 00:01 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

country house mentioned
guessing the mortgage is one piece of it but the building fees on a monthly basis are equal to (or even greater than) the mortgage payment
would put money down on them paying for at least one garage space for a car, maybe two cars? and then a car payment or two, maybe paying for a spot to park near work (would think a law office would cover that, but idk)
they offhand mentioned lots of school years so it's completely possible they still have student loans
pretty sure the "clearance plus friends & family discount)" means lots of impulse buys at banana republic, not that expensive, but throwing both those on there ("and I even have two discounts!") implies they are switching up the wardrobe quite a bit
buying things at a discount via coupon packs, suuure. but how about aspirational lunches with coworkers in the law profession?

mh, Thursday, 7 July 2016 00:11 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

"bread & lard island" is wonderfully named

back when suburban houses started getting unnecessarily large the running joke was that it was a nice house in a good school district, but it'd be nice to have some furniture to sit on

I think real estate developments caught on and there were these "buy a house in our development, get $2k to spend at local furniture warehouse!" advertisements

mh, Thursday, 7 July 2016 00:14 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Oh god I should have posted the link a (frugal) cousin of mine liked on FB recently - it was some Canberran lady writing a smug blog about how she's going to pay off her mortgage within like a year by being frugal

Oh and selling off most of her ten ... TEN.. .investment properties.

>:|

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 7 July 2016 00:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

WHO HAS TEN INVESTMENT PROPERTIES BY THEIR 30S.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 7 July 2016 00:46 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Btw there is no major law firm in the city that's anything close to an hour by subway from Carnegie Hill. The furthest would be maybe half an hour.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 7 July 2016 01:00 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

honestly, i buy clothes every ten years and wear shoes until they fall off my feet but if i lived in manhattan and had money to spend i could spend A LOT of money without even trying. i spend a lot of money now in the woods and i don't even have any money.

point being: if i made 500K a year and didn't have kids and lived in NYC i would probably be broke too. cuz trips to record stores in london every weekend...

but she makes a point of mentioning the stupid frozen pizza...i think we just have to take it on faith that she is lying about stuff and hiding stuff.

scott seward, Thursday, 7 July 2016 01:09 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

There have been other articles in this genre where people
write really clueless things like "after the personal trainer three times a week, the dog yoga classes, and the ski lessons for the kids there's not much left over." Sometimes I wonder if it's actually people who didn't come from much money or a highly educated family and just never learned to manage money. But maybe that's being charitable.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 7 July 2016 01:18 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Even if not lying, she is totally leaving a lot on the cutting room floor here. I'm genuinely curious about where their money actually goes! Even if they were spending $5000 a month on housing and $2000 on student loan payments and $3000 on savings, there's plenty left over if they're making $389,000 combined (according to cnn money that's the latest irs info on 1% income threshold), let alone more than that, with a 23.5% fed tax rate and 6.85% state tax rate. I think the discount frozen pizza line just really put me over the edge. Are they donating huge chunks to low income area daycares and food banks? Are they secret venture capitalists? Also, it's not hard or $$ to get someone to fix your freakin shower door.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 7 July 2016 01:43 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

If you read the comments there are people who do a pretty thorough work up of their finances and can't make sense of it.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 7 July 2016 01:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Ah I didn't venture into the comments but that's good to hear! In a way

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 7 July 2016 01:49 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

maybe their accountant is screwing them over

j., Thursday, 7 July 2016 02:11 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Husband is spending Spitzer money on hookers?

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 7 July 2016 02:32 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

this is a really good cover letter for first-against-the-wall candidacy

qualx, Thursday, 7 July 2016 06:17 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i just really hope they have someone in their lives who made them feel bad about this

i can't handle this thread

qualx, Thursday, 7 July 2016 06:17 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

according to this she had a $30/day cigarette habit for a long time, so that adds up I guess

http://observer.com/2015/12/from-awkward-teen-to-cigar-lounge-queen-how-cigarettes-brought-me-to-life/

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 7 July 2016 15:25 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i went to her tweet where she shares this column and all the responses are like 'omg so true, thanks for saying this'

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 July 2016 16:29 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

My new crowd of women didn’t smoke, ordered Earl Grey tea at happy hour, and apportioned dinner checks precisely with a calculator.

Fuck, give me the cancer sticks.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 7 July 2016 16:39 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

earl grey tea is solid tho

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 7 July 2016 18:14 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i am in love with the wissotzky earl grey tea i bought at stop & shop last week. smells so good. have no idea what the deal is with wissotzky. probably owned by lipton.

scott seward, Thursday, 7 July 2016 18:43 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

not owned by lipton. my apologies to the wissotzky family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wissotzky_Tea

scott seward, Thursday, 7 July 2016 18:47 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

oh yeah that's for sure good tea. I also recommend Ahmad. These are the brands they carry at my local Russian/eastern European grocer and I imagine that people who shop there probably drink more tea and have better standards for it.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 7 July 2016 18:47 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

a company once run by the founder of cultural Zionism, fyi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahad_Ha%27am

scott seward, Thursday, 7 July 2016 18:49 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

according to this she had a $30/day cigarette habit for a long time,

*I* had a $30 a day cig habit on $40k a year, and i managed fine.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 8 July 2016 01:52 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

(caveat: thats one pack here. smokes are EXPENSIVE)

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 8 July 2016 01:54 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

*I* had a $30 a day cig habit on $40k a year, and i managed fine.

jesus wasn't that like more than your rent?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 8 July 2016 03:53 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

$30 a day? God no, my rent averages $300 a week.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 8 July 2016 03:57 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

shit be expensive here, man.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 8 July 2016 03:57 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

*sad urban nod*

thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Saturday, 9 July 2016 05:16 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

that's some pretty exquisite rageclick fodder right there.

think about that movie The Wedding Singer and how it communicated the fact that Drew Barrymore's fiance was a full-on knob by the fact that he made her sit in the aisle seat. and this is 100x times worse!

evol j, Monday, 11 July 2016 19:07 (1 week ago) Permalink

Why those women are putting up with such blatant disrespect for... oh wait, money.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 05:54 (1 week ago) Permalink

jfc

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 17 July 2016 21:39 (1 week ago) Permalink


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