even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

getting carded for cigarettes in my early 40's just seemed sad for some reason... no gravitas!

scott seward, Monday, 15 September 2014 18:40 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

The older I get, the worse I become at guessing the age of others.

Aimless, Monday, 15 September 2014 18:40 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

lots of people wore suits in the 50's!

scott seward, Monday, 15 September 2014 18:40 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

x-post

scott seward, Monday, 15 September 2014 18:40 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

or all kinds of people of all classes got dressed up more often anyway. wasn't just a white dude in new york thing.

scott seward, Monday, 15 September 2014 18:41 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

disclaimer: i only know stuff from pictures and movies.

scott seward, Monday, 15 September 2014 18:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

in watching the roosevelts last night on pbs i was regularly struck by how a 24 year old teddy roosevelt looked much older than me
and how basically everyone looked about thirty years older than they actually were

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 September 2014 18:46 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

lol i watch pbs

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 September 2014 18:46 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i didn't actually read the whole new york times thing though. i got the point fairly early on. sick of mad men sociology in general.

scott seward, Monday, 15 September 2014 18:46 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I think it's not just that people got "dressed up" more often, but that there was really nothing like the modern conception of casual clothing -- no equivalent of just going out in an ill-fitting t-shirt and some cargo shorts.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 15 September 2014 18:46 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

sick of mad men sociology in general.
this x 1000

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 15 September 2014 18:47 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

marcos, Monday, 15 September 2014 18:49 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

marcos, Monday, 15 September 2014 18:51 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

marcos, Monday, 15 September 2014 18:53 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

marcos, Monday, 15 September 2014 18:53 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

another disclaimer: i come from a long line of white guys in suits.

scott seward, Monday, 15 September 2014 18:57 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

My dad has pics of himself and his fellow Air Force dudes working on dirt bikes in a workshop in the late '60s. Even though they're in Okinawa during wartime AND they're tinkering around greasy engines, they're all dressed in clean & ironed broadcloth shirts and Stay-Prest trousers. It's a little nuts, frankly.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Monday, 15 September 2014 19:00 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

speaking of teddy roosevelt, here's a nice picture of my other grandfather and his brother playing catch with teddy's pal john burroughs.

scott seward, Monday, 15 September 2014 19:00 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

sorry if i'm ruining this thread. i just don't feel like doing ebay right now...

scott seward, Monday, 15 September 2014 19:01 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Grandfather and brother ages four and six, respectively.

carl agatha, Monday, 15 September 2014 19:01 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

good stuff afaiac

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 September 2014 19:02 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

roosevelts is pretty fucking good btw!

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 September 2014 19:02 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I'm p sure the local Japanese laborers did their laundry and actually pressed all those shirts--a bunch of working class 20-year-old draftees were not ironing their own shit.

xp No, yr pics are awesome! I wish I had ones of my fam to share but I don't hold any of those historical items, they're all at the homestead in boxes somewhere.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Monday, 15 September 2014 19:03 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i mean it is definitely true that people often dressed more formally and as hurting said didn't have a concept of "casual clothing" that matches what we today understand to be casual clothing. it is also true that life was shorter and harder and more was often demanded of people earlier in their lives than is the case now. but what really is an "adult"? can we be sure that people back in the day didn't similarly feel like they were frauds at being "grown-ups" even though they had tons of adult responsibilities? how many people actually feel like "yes i'm an adult now, i have a house and car and i feel all grown up?" it's a pretty fast fucking transition from childhood to adolescence to your 20s and thirties. i don't even really know what i'm arguing but the claim that "there are no adults anymore" and "back in the day there was" just seems partially mythmaking about "men and women back in the day"

marcos, Monday, 15 September 2014 19:03 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

The difference between blue collar and white collar jobs used to be much more pronounced than it is at present. Farmers and miners and other manual laborers aged damned fast, and 'housewives' were all manual laborers in the era before the washing machine and other appliances. Other big factors in old people looking younger than ever are better hygiene, better diet, vaccines, and antibiotics.

Aimless, Monday, 15 September 2014 19:05 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Also not smoking two packs a day.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Monday, 15 September 2014 19:05 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

The people I know who I perceive as looking "old" for their age tend always have massively stressful lives. I saw this a lot doing check-ins for a rehab clinic; you'd have people in their early 30's who looked like they were pushing 70. I think our current doughiness and general boyish good looks derive from having jobs that are just slightly better than shoveling uranium dust under a blazing sun for 16 hours a day, and not finishing our day off with a bottle of ersatz whiskey and sawdust covered toast like our forebears.

That said, I do think the workplace is an interesting area regarding notions of adulthood. I am 29, working an office job at a large university, but still feel like I am in some sort of liminal stage of career development, largely because I work with a group of mostly 50+ folks who have very low computer skills. Doing something like hitting "CTRL+ALT+DEL" and shutting down a process that's freezing their computer is tantamount to delivering emergency surgery in an elevator with a pen knife. Email conversations take days, not minutes, rudimentary things like returning calls gets stretched out over 8 hours. It all seems so inefficient. That lack of efficiency seems to drive a lot of workplace ennui, at least for folks that I remain in contact with. This leads to the lack of workplace loyalty, the lack of pride in work, and the complete dissolution of identifying who you "are" with what you "do".

Tomás Piñon (Ryan), Monday, 15 September 2014 19:11 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

xp fwiw I think it's pretty common for military to iron their own uniforms/clothing and for it even to be part of training

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 15 September 2014 19:16 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i just feel kinda shabby. i wish i knew how to wear a hat. to be fair to myself though, i'm kind of a slob and also lazy. i like this new syndrome i just learned about. i'm gonna say that i have it to get out of doing things i don't want to do:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_syndrome

scott seward, Monday, 15 September 2014 19:19 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

The most effective technique to overcome impostor syndrome is to simply recognize that it exists.[citation needed]

mattresslessness, Monday, 15 September 2014 19:23 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Also sunscreen xp

carl agatha, Monday, 15 September 2014 19:25 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

speaking of mad men, this is totally my favorite nyt story of the year. sign me up!

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/opinion/sunday/should-we-all-take-a-bit-of-lithium.html

scott seward, Monday, 15 September 2014 19:31 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

definitely gonna be drinking more tap water anyway...

scott seward, Monday, 15 September 2014 19:32 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

good news for us, scott:
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%22mad%20men%20era%22

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 15 September 2014 19:36 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

the mad men era era is over

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 15 September 2014 19:37 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

xp don't forget the neti pot!

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 September 2014 19:56 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

okay, three more pictures and i swear that's it. actual 1950's mad men advertising art that my mother did:

scott seward, Monday, 15 September 2014 20:01 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

A STRIKE FOR SPRIGGS

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 September 2014 20:03 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I love that post, Ryan.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 12:21 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/trend-piece

Je55e, Friday, 19 September 2014 03:50 (1 week ago) Permalink

kudos

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Friday, 19 September 2014 05:12 (1 week ago) Permalink

they should do this for everything.

bamcquern, Friday, 19 September 2014 08:11 (1 week ago) Permalink

xp two more examples from language log:
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=14744

bamcquern, Sunday, 21 September 2014 22:35 (1 week ago) Permalink

are home renovations writers becoming blogger burnouts? the answer may surprise you! or you may not give a fuck!
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/garden/when-blogging-becomes-a-slog.html

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 25 September 2014 17:26 (1 week ago) Permalink

haha was reading that while waiting for my bodega pancakes this morning and thinking "if i had brought my phone, i'd be linking this on quid/ag, but if i'd brought my phone, i probably would not have bought the paper to pass the time waiting for my pancakes"

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 25 September 2014 18:03 (1 week ago) Permalink

Can't lie. I am a big fan of Young House Love. The whole endeavor should be something that fills me with irritation but they are just so charming I can't help but like them. I sincerely wish them the absolute best.

carl agatha, Thursday, 25 September 2014 21:05 (1 week ago) Permalink

Guilty here too--although I haven't read their blog in a long time, I remember their wedding and their first house reno and all their wonderful tricks and ideas. I really should hate them, but I don't.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 25 September 2014 22:14 (1 week ago) Permalink

I even bought their book and will probably buy the next one.

carl agatha, Thursday, 25 September 2014 23:27 (1 week ago) Permalink


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