even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

xxp only the most insufferable members of the ruling class

art, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 19:30 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

love that their dumb thing couldn't just be inspired by a caterpillar becoming a butterfly, which everyone in the country has known about since kindergarten, but by a RadioLab episode about it.

Doctor Casino, important war pigeon (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 19:31 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

need to pee in the MoMA pool sometime just to salute events like that pic

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:22 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

lol eephus

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 January 2016 09:12 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

"Park Slope double-takes" is a great phrase

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 14 January 2016 16:07 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I kind of want to something that post -- not exactly excelsior, but...striking imagery?

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 14 January 2016 16:08 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Dork Slakes pabble-tope

Copy rights, pleasing all star wars fans, hiring professionals. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 January 2016 17:13 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

“Desserts were passed around on the dance floor on long, wooden snakelike structures . . . lollipops and cakes dangled like ornaments to be plucked!”

penis

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 18 January 2016 14:00 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Penis indeed.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 18 January 2016 14:24 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

not nyt, but i thought of this thread:

http://wanderlust.com/journal/its-hip-to-be-sober/


Light Watkins, a meditation teacher, Wanderlust presenter, and author of The Inner Gym, founded The Shine in 2014 to create a mindful, connected community, without all the booze. An evening at The Shine will include meditation, music, film, and philanthropic enterprises, complimented with healthy nibbles and juices—and specially sourced artisan water.

scott seward, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 15:48 (1 week ago) Permalink

a very over the top way of saying: yeah, i don't really drink anymore. i'm getting older and it makes me feel like crap.

which is pretty much what i say now. without the nibbles and artisan water and philanthropic enterprises.

scott seward, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 15:50 (1 week ago) Permalink

artisan water
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marcos, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 16:20 (1 week ago) Permalink

every word of that sentence

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 16:58 (1 week ago) Permalink

Margaret Sullivan going IN on her way out:
http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/27/flint-water-margaret-sullivan-new-york-times-public-editor

After all, enough Times firepower somehow has been found to document Hillary Clinton’s every sneeze, Donald Trump’s latest bombast, and Marco Rubio’s shiny boots. There seem to be plenty of Times resources for such hit-seeking missives as “breadfacing,” or for the Magazine’s thorough exploration of buffalo plaid and “lumbersexuals.” And staff was available to produce this week’s dare-you-not-to-click video on the rising social movement known as “Free the Nipple.”

Isn’t it a matter of choosing how to deploy the 1,300 members of the newsroom staff? Call it a question of priorities. Given all that’s happened, especially on issues involving race, maybe it’s time to beef up that talented Midwest staff.

ulysses, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 20:36 (1 week ago) Permalink

that margaret sullivan piece is pretty awesome

intheblanks, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 22:45 (1 week ago) Permalink

“Once we get rid of the visual blight, and Tuxedo begins to have this rural, foodie character, other neighbors will beautify as well,” he says. “Beauty sparks beauty.”

To get from here to there, his newly minted Tuxedo Hudson Company (THC) first bought the convenience store — “The ugliest building in town, and that’s what I love about it” — which he’ll convert into an upscale food purveyor, biergarten and antiques emporium. Next, THC snapped up the only restaurant in town, which will be transformed into an upstate version of the Waverly Inn, “my favorite restaurant in New York City.”

“They are seriously undervalued,” he tells me, stopping by a 10,000-square-foot white house “by a prominent architect” on a lake that sold for just $1.8 million. “The real estate here is so reasonable it’s like playing Monopoly,” he says.

http://nypost.com/2016/01/28/this-fat-cat-is-creating-his-own-hudson-valley-kingdom/

scott seward, Thursday, 28 January 2016 17:20 (1 week ago) Permalink

sounds like a perfect portlandia sketch. rich guy buys town and makes all the local juggalo kids wear top hats and ride olde tymey bicycles.

scott seward, Thursday, 28 January 2016 17:29 (1 week ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/05/fashion/lululemon-chip-wilson-kit-and-ace.html

I don't even know what kind of article this is. Free advertising for a business? Profile of a seemingly excessively rude man? Writing exercise for the author? I guess it doesn't matter.

calstars, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 00:52 (5 days ago) Permalink

i don't know but it's mesmerising

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 01:31 (5 days ago) Permalink

mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 18:22 (5 days ago) Permalink

Landmark Forum (mentioned in the Chip Wilson article) is a creepy cult. My boss at my job before this one tried to brainwash his employees into that shit.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 18:35 (5 days ago) Permalink

The men discussed the charity and the need to train Ethiopian teachers in Landmark principles before the talk turned to Kit and Ace.

nomar, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 18:40 (5 days ago) Permalink

tried to read that chip wilson article and had to just quit at "Jewish Standard Time" ; way to be, rich guy.

ian, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 20:02 (5 days ago) Permalink

exactly. wtf

calstars, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 20:17 (5 days ago) Permalink

I am not kidding when I say that article is the best thing the New York Times has done in 2016

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 20:23 (5 days ago) Permalink

the seething hatred roiling just under the veneer of newspaper professionalism makes for v addictive reading

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 20:26 (5 days ago) Permalink

Is that even a common Jewish stereotype? I've heard a lot, and I've never heard that one.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 20:29 (5 days ago) Permalink

god yeah that is a satifying read- he is made to seem like such a piece of shit and yet it's just quoting him and giving him the space to do that to himself. the mystical egotist CEO persona is a thing, and it's so ripe for satiric puncture. I really feel sorry for those people sitting at that table tee-heeing on cue.

the tune was space, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 20:33 (5 days ago) Permalink

I'm sort of wondering whether they guy's Jewish, it seems super-weird in 2015 for a non-Jew to think it's OK to say that, and to a reporter no less.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 20:35 (5 days ago) Permalink

shaming late shaming

badg, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 20:37 (5 days ago) Permalink

Am I an asshole for wondering how hard it is to be somewhere on time? Presumably she had at least a day's advance notice of the meeting.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 20:50 (5 days ago) Permalink

plus, free breakfast!

scott seward, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:04 (5 days ago) Permalink

all of these dudes just remind me of the internet billionaire on the good wife. with the hoodie.

scott seward, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:06 (5 days ago) Permalink

although they are all just sad shadows of miles on 30something.

scott seward, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:08 (5 days ago) Permalink

people who are into late shaming have prob never had to take public transit a day in their lives.

ian, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:21 (5 days ago) Permalink

people who are into late shaming have prob never had to take public transit a day in their lives.

And yet people who take public transit a minimum of five days a week, and who presumably know how unreliable it is, make some version of this excuse every time they're late getting somewhere, instead of thinking, "This appointment is particularly important - I better leave 30-60 minutes earlier than I might otherwise."

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:35 (5 days ago) Permalink

as a regular public transit-taker and somewhat habitually late person (who has improved a bit over the years but has further to go), this ^^^

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:44 (5 days ago) Permalink

i am literally always on time but this guy is such a capitalist daddy asshole caricature it's making me seriously rethink my assumption that it's important in every situation.

bicyclescope (mattresslessness), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:46 (5 days ago) Permalink

most curious about those years between competitive swimming and landmark forum. what a sad human being.

bicyclescope (mattresslessness), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:51 (5 days ago) Permalink

if anything it's good to be late every once in a while because it's an easy way to allow others to be empathetic towards you team-building.

bicyclescope (mattresslessness), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 21:59 (5 days ago) Permalink

Also used the phrase "coconut time" when referring to Miamians.

nickn, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 22:42 (5 days ago) Permalink

Not NYT, but incredible: http://www.elle.com/beauty/health-fitness/a28600/amanda-chantal-bacon-moon-juice-food-diary/

schwantz, Friday, 5 February 2016 20:33 (3 days ago) Permalink

p sure she is from the actual moon

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 5 February 2016 21:16 (3 days ago) Permalink

okay ilxor glenn alerted me to this parody and i am laughing:

https://medium.com/@boobsradley/between-my-hectic-job-and-nourishing-social-life-it-s-not-always-easy-to-find-the-time-to-make-aa9c48a5458b#.c4mv5we4w

"Breakfast is the same thing, every day: denuded feldspar. I soak it overnight in Mexican creek foam to create a pudding, which I suck from a vinegar-soaked sponge. It’s truly hands free, which lets me simultaneously do my sun grunts and marinate my anus in squeezed orange pith."

scott seward, Friday, 5 February 2016 21:34 (3 days ago) Permalink

"Then it was time to visit my west side shop. I spent the shank of the afternoon in a throne made of pygmy bone ivory, focus-grouping new juices and crêmes while picking my teeth with a minature sceptre made from the Dalai Llama’s sundried phlegm."

scott seward, Friday, 5 February 2016 21:35 (3 days ago) Permalink

please, please god, let schwantz's be a parody.

the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 6 February 2016 13:51 (2 days ago) Permalink

 I often alternate this with my other lunch staple: a nori roll with umeboshi paste, avocado, cultured sea vegetables, and pea sprouts. This is my version of a taco, and it's insanely delicious. These ingredients are all pantry staples, so I eat some version of this everyday.

the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 6 February 2016 13:51 (2 days ago) Permalink

the Medium parody one did indeed remind me of Aunt Diane's tweets.

scott seward, Saturday, 6 February 2016 14:24 (2 days ago) Permalink

so much real stuff on the internet can remind me of an old mark leyner novel. people striving to be NEXT LEVEL.

scott seward, Saturday, 6 February 2016 14:25 (2 days ago) Permalink


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