even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (four years ago) Permalink

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (four years ago) Permalink

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (four years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (four years ago) Permalink

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (four years ago) Permalink

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (four years ago) Permalink

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (four years ago) Permalink

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (four years ago) Permalink

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (four years ago) Permalink

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (four years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (four years ago) Permalink

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (four years ago) Permalink

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (four years ago) Permalink

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (four years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (four years ago) Permalink

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (four years ago) Permalink

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (four years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (four years ago) Permalink

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (four years ago) Permalink

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (four years ago) Permalink

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (four years ago) Permalink

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (four years ago) Permalink

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (four years ago) Permalink

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (four years ago) Permalink

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (four years ago) Permalink

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (four years ago) Permalink

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (four years ago) Permalink

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (four years ago) Permalink

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (four years ago) Permalink

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (four years ago) Permalink

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (four years ago) Permalink

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (four years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (four years ago) Permalink

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (four years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

goole, Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:57 (four years ago) Permalink

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (four years ago) Permalink

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (four years ago) Permalink

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (four years ago) Permalink

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (four years ago) Permalink

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (four years ago) Permalink

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (four years ago) Permalink

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (four years ago) Permalink

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (four years ago) Permalink

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (four years ago) Permalink

Your college freshman kid's basic dorm room essentials: $350 headphones and an Alexa

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/11/technology/personaltech/off-to-college-maybe-these-devices-should-go-along.html?_r=0

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 12 August 2016 02:24 (five months ago) Permalink

quid/ag for sure, but what really set my gears to grinding was the suggestion that a tablet would be a great medium for liberal arts students writing papers. god help us. also lol at the suggestion of a $55 electric kettle for making cup-o-noodles.

Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 August 2016 02:30 (five months ago) Permalink

those are all the wirecutter's standard recommendations for wealthy bay are tech workers, which makes sense cos the wirecutter is brian chen's website

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 12 August 2016 02:32 (five months ago) Permalink

tbh even the idea that you have to have a coffee-making device of whatever sort in the dorms ticks me off. just shuffle blearily over to the dining hall and drink the swill from the machine there, you'll make friends.

Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 August 2016 02:33 (five months ago) Permalink

Trump tells the Miami Herald it would "be fine" if American terror suspects were tried before military tribunals. gee, sounds great. also:

Trump spoke to the Herald at the Fontainebleau Hotel, steps from the shoreline and not far from streets the city of Miami Beach has spent millions of dollars elevating to fend off rising seas.

“I’m not a big believer in man-made climate change,” Trump said, despite vast scientific evidence to the contrary. “There could be some impact, but I don’t believe it’s a devastating impact.”

bonuses: some really garbled stuff on cuba and venezuela. the paper, refreshingly, points out many of the things that don't make any sense or are in conflict with reality. the cuba stuff in particular sounds like it would be a real problem for him trying to scrape up republican votes in miami, but i don't really know the ins and outs of the reparations question.

Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 August 2016 02:41 (five months ago) Permalink

quid/ag for sure, but what really set my gears to grinding was the suggestion that a tablet would be a great medium for liberal arts students writing papers. god help us. also lol at the suggestion of a $55 electric kettle for making cup-o-noodles.

― Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a gooseneck kettle for ur single estate, pour-over cup-o-noodles

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 12 August 2016 16:11 (five months ago) Permalink

also a fucking breville toaster, jesus I thought that was like a yuppie-level appliance.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 12 August 2016 16:12 (five months ago) Permalink

oops sorry for misposted trump stuff above

Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 August 2016 16:14 (five months ago) Permalink

Those punchably awful neo-Victorian fucks are at it again. For those not willing to read what amounts to a self-righteous Yelp review padded out to the length of a Victorian serialized novel, they were denied entry to a garden attraction that does not permit visitors "in costume." Clearly, a massive human rights violation. As a friend of a friend points out, sadly Mr. Victorian did not bring his gramophone or wax cylinders, so we have to rely entirely on their account of the conversation with staff, which does not exactly have the ring of truth.

Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 19:25 (five months ago) Permalink

lol port townsend.

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 19:28 (five months ago) Permalink

something this lady and i have in common is we've both set novels in fictionalized versions of port townsend, but i think there's prob a difference in tone.

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 19:45 (five months ago) Permalink

Those punchably awful neo-Victorian fucks are at it again. For those not willing to read what amounts to a self-righteous Yelp review padded out to the length of a Victorian serialized novel, they were denied entry to a garden attraction that does not permit visitors "in costume." Clearly, a massive human rights violation. As a friend of a friend points out, sadly Mr. Victorian did not bring his gramophone or wax cylinders, so we have to rely entirely on their account of the conversation with staff, which does not exactly have the ring of truth.

― Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, August 16, 2016 2:25 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
people that YELP are scumbags

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 19:50 (five months ago) Permalink

this isn't really quiddities of the ruling class, these people, insufferable though they are, are poor.

ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 19:58 (five months ago) Permalink

though hats off to the butchart gardens for denying them admittance!

ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 19:58 (five months ago) Permalink

dalliances and fancies of the bourgeoisie

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 20:04 (five months ago) Permalink

ehhh this is the thread that has had the most extended discussion of the chrismans, figured it was fair game here. also i know poverty takes many forms but if you can manage all the frills and vests, and go around giving talks on the history of the bicycle.... i dunno. the poverty of the bohemian freelancer i guess.

Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 20:09 (five months ago) Permalink

in their storytelling people only bark, spit, or sneer, never 'speak'

chinavision!, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 20:19 (five months ago) Permalink

it's exhausting

chinavision!, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 20:20 (five months ago) Permalink

ehhh this is the thread that has had the most extended discussion of the chrismans, figured it was fair game here. also i know poverty takes many forms but if you can manage all the frills and vests, and go around giving talks on the history of the bicycle.... i dunno. the poverty of the bohemian freelancer i guess.

― Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:09 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Typical reactionary argument -- "Oh if you're so poor then maybe you should give up the bustles!"

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 20:22 (five months ago) Permalink

in their storytelling people only bark, spit, or sneer, never 'speak'

well, they do:

"You know what the worst part is?" I asked, leaning against his support. "The absolute worst part is that every time something like this happens, I hear the voices —a whole chorus of voices— of every single person who's told me they wish they could do something outside the mainstream, but they feel like they can't. This sort of thing is exactly why they feel that they can't. I hate it." My tears started flowing more heavily.

"I know —I understand," Gabriel told me. "But listen: we are the way we are because it's who we want to be, but we do it for those people, too. Not for that sort—" He pointed back towards the gate. "We do it to show people who want to be themselves that it is possible to be an individual, and that people don't just have to conform and squish themselves into the mold of what society dictates that they should be. That's exactly the sort of firm principle we were trying to explain we represent." He squeezed my shoulder. "And we don't back down."

There is a pride in that.

On the ride back to town, I quietly recited Rudyard Kipling's poem, "If":

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 20:44 (five months ago) Permalink

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 20:46 (five months ago) Permalink

more like "Whiff" .... of b.o.

bagging area (map), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 20:55 (five months ago) Permalink

She decided to find out what $400,000 would buy elsewhere in Brooklyn. “I am a person who can make a lot out of nothing,”

qualx, Saturday, 20 August 2016 16:31 (five months ago) Permalink

who decorated in a contemporary Scandinavian style

qualx, Saturday, 20 August 2016 16:39 (five months ago) Permalink

qualx, Saturday, 20 August 2016 16:40 (five months ago) Permalink

At a one-bedroom in Crown Heights, she realized how far the neighborhood was from work and friends. With some subway trains out of service that day, the trip was lengthy and confusing.

, Saturday, 20 August 2016 16:42 (five months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

i'm not gonna click on this but

Postcards From the Hajj

Amid two million other pilgrims, a Times correspondent performed the sacred rites of the hajj. Although helicopter rides and other V.I.P. perks eased the process a little.

j., Wednesday, 14 September 2016 02:04 (four months ago) Permalink

the luxe hajj

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 September 2016 02:19 (four months ago) Permalink

mookieproof, Monday, 26 September 2016 14:50 (three months ago) Permalink

not to be confused with that other asshole dog

thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 05:16 (three months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Forget ‘Pat the Bunny.’ My Child Is Reading Hemingway.

Alice Hemmer’s favorite part of Jack Kerouac’s novel “On the Road” doesn’t involve the drug-addled cross-country road trips, encounters with prostitutes in Mexico or wild parties in Manhattan. Alice, who is 5 and lives in a Chicago suburb, likes the part when Sal Paradise eats ice cream and apple pie whenever he feels hungry.

She hasn’t actually read Kerouac’s 320-page, amphetamine-fueled, stream-of-consciousness classic. (Alice is a precocious reader, but not that precocious.) Instead, her father read her a heavily abridged and sanitized illustrated version of “On the Road” designed for six- to 12-year-old children.

“She didn’t love it,” said her father, Kurt Hemmer, an English professor at Harper College and scholar of the Beat Generation, who noted that even some college students failed to appreciate the novel’s subtle spiritual message. “To really grasp it, you need to be a bit more mature.”

na (NA), Monday, 19 December 2016 17:02 (one month ago) Permalink

bc everyone knows the value of great novels not from the language or characterization but from the bare bones of their plots

na (NA), Monday, 19 December 2016 17:03 (one month ago) Permalink

I mean this is dumb but I read plenty of abridged versions of classic novels when I was a kid

Number None, Monday, 19 December 2016 17:06 (one month ago) Permalink

we have the pride & prejudice board book that someone gave us but it's basically just a counting book using aspects of P&P for the things you count. it doesn't try to summarize the plot or anything.

na (NA), Monday, 19 December 2016 17:09 (one month ago) Permalink

i still know the plots of any number of "great books" solely through classics illustrated

A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 19 December 2016 18:03 (one month ago) Permalink

I had a few of these. My mother called them "cheaty books."

mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Monday, 19 December 2016 18:08 (one month ago) Permalink

i think all the books you guys are talking about differ from what's being discussed in that article pretty significantly

na (NA), Monday, 19 December 2016 18:33 (one month ago) Permalink

I was specifically responding to

bc everyone knows the value of great novels not from the language or characterization but from the bare bones of their plots

kid's version of On The Road is probably an improvement tbh

Number None, Monday, 19 December 2016 18:58 (one month ago) Permalink

My mom was one of those people with inordinate faith in "classics" being some kind of brain pill. I think it partially ruined reading for me.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 19 December 2016 19:01 (one month ago) Permalink

not sure if this fits better itt or somewhere else but hey it's a nytimes puff piece on megyn kelly, ughhh http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/fashion/megyn-kelly-fox-fashion.html

marcos, Monday, 19 December 2016 22:08 (one month ago) Permalink

“To really grasp it, you need to be a bit more mature.”

jesus, more like you have to be 16.

scott seward, Monday, 19 December 2016 22:12 (one month ago) Permalink

English professors who specialize in Beatnik books. one of the sadder things i can think of. you only have one life on this earth.

scott seward, Monday, 19 December 2016 22:13 (one month ago) Permalink

this is why we need more original children's literature not these cynical IP cash grabs

qualx, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 05:52 (one month ago) Permalink

I think there are a few people working on that

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 16:13 (one month ago) Permalink

Not quid-ag, but this story about a rift between Dickens societies made me smile (and has good photos).

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/nyregion/a-dickensian-divide-but-united-in-holiday-cheer.html

jmm, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 16:18 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

is wanting H Clinton to be elected to ANYTHING a quiddity?

http://theslot.jezebel.com/the-new-york-times-s-boner-for-a-hillary-clinton-mayora-1790904716

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 January 2017 13:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

don't see how it could be given that it's an extremely widespread sentiment outside the ruling class

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 9 January 2017 13:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

really? for her to be reality-show mayor?

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 January 2017 14:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

you said "anything"

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 9 January 2017 15:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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