even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

she needs to come along for the ride.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

Cheryl
Westchester Cty

It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

jg
San Francisco

How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

comments get really real:

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

something about eating rats that really pisses people off.

scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

I mean that's what we are, basically

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

ya they know what theyre doin

lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sami
Long Beach, CA

This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."

― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ rad

, Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

that sounds like trolling

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?

j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests

this seems totally fine to me tbh

thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

i hope that they get the plague and die.

KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html

Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

too much time on nyt

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.

don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.

"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.

wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.

http://rookiemag.com/

scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

ya tavi is awesome

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16

Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

nothing to hate about tavi.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.

Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:

1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.

2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"

3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!

Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

i have tried it and it worked

lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.

Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"

1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'

thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.

― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class

buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html

In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”

Nope. No you don't.

Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

it notes clearly that she was joking

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

yah what gives

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”

printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html

men. living together.

― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM

this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs

j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

so by hipster they just mean young money?

Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

well

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

Please

calstars, Sunday, 5 June 2016 23:39 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

this guy is the worst
http://thevanual.com/

De La Soul is no Major Lazer (ulysses), Monday, 6 June 2016 00:58 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

"With a Dwell-inspired sense of design and help from his father, he made it a rad home on wheels."

just sayin, Monday, 6 June 2016 01:10 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

The Staycation article really brings out my inner Maoist.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 6 June 2016 07:04 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

amazing - something relatively funny in the new yorker??

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 11:10 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

relatively is the key word there

De La Soul is no Major Lazer (ulysses), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 17:03 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

yes the sentence doesn't actually hold without it

still tho

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 20:52 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

#uppitynanny

micah, Saturday, 11 June 2016 04:56 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

perfect, even down to the several-years-old tweets embedded in a 'trend' story

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 11 June 2016 09:31 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

That’s on top of pay that averages $15.79 per hour, according to the Park Slope Parents’ Nanny Compensation Study of 2013. The majority of nannies also received raises, bonuses and an average of 19 paid days off each year, with only 15 percent of employees paid on the books, the report also says.

LOL wait, thats less than minimum wage here, and everyone gets at least 20 days a year annual leave.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 11 June 2016 12:03 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

$15.79/hour for an 8 hour day is an annual salary of $32,843.

I have also been to Maine and, briefly, Nebraska (doo dah), Saturday, 11 June 2016 12:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

“It felt like we were dealing with the Mafia,” recalls Danielle. “She knew we needed her more than she needed us.”

You don't say?

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 11 June 2016 15:41 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

32k a year for the help, heavens however will we afford oberlin for all the kids

De La Soul is no Major Lazer (ulysses), Saturday, 11 June 2016 15:43 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I liked the part about the poor New Jersey entrepreneur who owed her nanny $7K

badg, Saturday, 11 June 2016 18:26 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

the servant problem rears its ugly head once more

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 11 June 2016 18:31 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Everyone should get 18 years of paid parental leave for having a child imo

Sean, let me be clear (silby), Saturday, 11 June 2016 19:47 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

^upvoted

De La Soul is no Major Lazer (ulysses), Sunday, 12 June 2016 17:35 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Free market economics is a bitch when you're on the demand side, eh wall streeters?

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Monday, 13 June 2016 00:05 (1 week ago) Permalink

the Park Slope Parents’ Nanny Compensation Study of 2013

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Monday, 13 June 2016 00:08 (1 week ago) Permalink

^^^ underrated straight-to-video anne hathaway movies i have owned

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Monday, 13 June 2016 00:11 (1 week ago) Permalink

lol

marcos, Monday, 13 June 2016 00:48 (1 week ago) Permalink

That response is also problematic though

Dan I., Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:17 (4 days ago) Permalink

i don't actually have a problem with the sound of music guy wedding! they seem nice. maybe you could read it as wes anderson twee or whatever but if maria von trapp was your great grandmother you are certainly allowed to be as twee as you want to be. plus, wow, what a place to have a wedding.

scott seward, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:36 (4 days ago) Permalink

plus, dorky bookworm theology student does not a hipster make. more hipsters should pick up a book.

scott seward, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:40 (4 days ago) Permalink

Yeah, honestly, they don't sound like hipsters. They sound like old-fashioned old-money theology students. Pretty sure opera and musicals haven't become hipster-bait yet (I quite like both, fwiw). I mean, I find it a bit weird that you'd want a big NY Times wedding article, and the name-dropping of brands is also suspect, but otherwise, eh. I'm sure that they'd annoy me in person but it's nice that people who have things in common have found each other.

emil.y, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:50 (4 days ago) Permalink

I knew this was going to get posted here but dammit I thought these guys were kind of great.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 19:05 (4 days ago) Permalink

Everything about that guy screams textbook old money WASP, I am baffled at "hipster" being used here.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 19:31 (4 days ago) Permalink

Sound of Music, growing up on the Vineyard, latin education, theology grad school, even the bright orange laces in dress shoes -- that's all WASP stuff.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 19:32 (4 days ago) Permalink

not to mention friends with the stilted speech of characters in a 1950s novel set at Princeton

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 19:39 (4 days ago) Permalink

You milquetoast lovers! I don't care if the guy is a hipster, I'm here to mock the ruling class in any guise

Dan I., Wednesday, 22 June 2016 19:41 (4 days ago) Permalink

Von Trapps aren't old money WASPs!!

tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 19:47 (4 days ago) Permalink

they were fierce nazi-smashing superheroes!

scott seward, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 19:50 (4 days ago) Permalink

I didn't say the Von Trapps were WASPs (???)

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 19:51 (4 days ago) Permalink

they don't mention their parental pedigree in that thing. maybe that's in the regular wedding announcement.

scott seward, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 19:59 (4 days ago) Permalink

Everything about that guy screams textbook old money WASP

Isn't that calling someone a WASP, or am I misreading you?

tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 20:13 (4 days ago) Permalink

I've been to the Trapp family lodge in Stowe. The actual Maria is buried there. There's an apple tree growing right next to her grave and I picked an apple from it (this was the first week of October, ridiculous foliage everywhere) and it honestly was the most incredible apple I may have ever eaten.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 20:18 (4 days ago) Permalink

Isn't that calling someone a WASP, or am I misreading you?

― tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, June 22, 2016 3:13 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh, IDK, I figured that's only 1/4 of his family, his name is Peters, and it said he was interested in "Christianity." But now I see they had a Catholic priest at the wedding so maybe not.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 20:28 (4 days ago) Permalink

I didn't even think this guy seemed old-money WASPy. He seemed like a bookish weirdo. I LOVE bookish weirdos.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 20:30 (4 days ago) Permalink

Does anyone not either wealthy or a low-wage worker grow up on Martha's Vineyard?

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 20:36 (4 days ago) Permalink

grapes?

thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 20:39 (4 days ago) Permalink

They can cook (without the help) and enjoy Taylor Swift too. Rich people - they're just like us.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 20:54 (4 days ago) Permalink

there are lots of working class people on martha's vineyard. who aren't rich. and teachers, town workers, hospital workers, etc. who aren't rich. a lot of people rent there and remain semi-poor and employed just because they like it there. tons of paycheck to paycheck people. and people who just do seasonal work and save up for the winter. most of the low-wage people are Brazilian. in the old days college kids did the work that the Brazilians do now.

scott seward, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 20:59 (4 days ago) Permalink

there is a lot of stress on that island. people who love it there or who grew up there but who have a hard time making it. my dad was looking at the paper one day when we lived on the island and said: huh, there sure are a lot of AA meetings here...

scott seward, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 21:02 (4 days ago) Permalink

theology grad student couple are cute as hell

de l'asshole (flopson), Thursday, 23 June 2016 00:46 (3 days ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/25/your-money/investing-in-an-emotional-trust-fund-for-your-children.html

None of this is really bad advice. It's more the terms in which it's couched. How to raise your kids: think of it like a trust fund!

jmm, Sunday, 26 June 2016 03:11 (4 hours ago) Permalink


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