the most important election of your lifetime: 2012 american general election thread

let's get back to the dog on Mittens' car roof

thats least funny, the dog pooped all over the car

btw morbs i think you should agree to do some sort of penance if obama wins and the economy doesnt implode, like eat a keyboard key or something, think abt it

wait, so did Hillary Rosen tell Ann Romney to go home and get her fucking shinebox or something?!?

mitt said he consults anne re economy and this lady on the tv who doesnt work for obama but maybe has some ties to the dnc said basically wtf does anne romney know abt the economy shes never had a job

btw morbs i think you should agree to do some sort of penance if obama wins and the economy doesnt implode, like eat a keyboard key or something, think abt it

― lag∞n, Thursday, April 12, 2012

now what shall you eat I wonder

are you taking sides here al you think obamas gonna lose

prob. has a lot of experience hiring and firing interior designers and whatnot

are you taking sides here al you think obamas gonna lose

― lag∞n, Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:02 PM

He'll likely win but the economy's going under again in the next five years at most. Europe is at best unsettled, we've imposed no meaningful regulation on Wall Street, the JOBS Act is a joke, and income inequality is worse than it was under Bush ten years ago.

lol five years ill mark that prediction on my calendar

here hold my marker

you should maybe go for like 8 youre p much guaranteed to get a recession during that period

lagoon: i know what Hillary Rosen said. i was making a joke b/c Phil D posted a pic of Billy Batts from goodfellas.

ah lol that makes sense

i think you should agree to do some sort of penance if obama wins and the economy doesnt implode

I've never predicted either will/won't happen. In the first case, I don't care.

When she was prez of RIAA, the station mgr of WFMU reg called Rosen 'The Worst Woman in the World.'

I was riffing on Alfred's "show us on your abacus." Went with the wiseguy joke instead of the lol old joke. What a disaster.

lol five years ill mark that prediction on my calendar

That prediction was actually rather restrained and conservative. I would endorse it without much trepidation.

seeing as rescissions happen like every 6 years its not any sort of meaningful prediction was my point

I am willing to bet against a recession this year, I'll bet you a beer morbs

seeing as rescissions happen like every 6 years its not any sort of meaningful prediction was my point

― lag∞n, Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:52 PM

I hope you're right but you're not, as Cliff said to Clair Huxtable.

what am i not right abt here alfred

Distinctions between "recession" and "downturn" or b/w "slower recovery than expected" and "it will remain shitty" are meaningless when we've done little to prevent the spiral from starting again.

your argument is extremely vague!

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/images/2009/Aug/Jobs-Loss-Recovery-1.png

"recession" is the least of our worries when predatory lending continues and regulation of the financial sector is nominal at best

the gray parts are recessions

thats all fine and good al but then what are you predicting will happen in the next five years exactly

recession has a very strict definition alfred, and it's not 'the least of our worries'

"exactly"? We're not economists. Like I said, I'll take a recession over another crash.

what in particular are you predicting

that the economy is no longer in a "recession" means bloody little to the long-term un(der)employed.

I'm heartened that companies are hiring again but I remain depressed about a banking system that was neither disciplined by DC nor learned nothing about what happened in 2008, which makes another meltdown inevitable.

you mean a melt down on par w/the one we just had, another 'great recession'

no it means plenty to the un and underemployed, because there is a big difference between 8% unemployment and 13% unemployment eisber, even if you are currently unemployed

and anyone who believes that Obama's "populism" is anything but crude electioneering intended to keep the dirty hippies quiet is a fool.

Pundits say "recession" because they're afraid of the implications of "depression" or, my favorite 19th century word, "panic."

no pundits say recession because it is a word with a precise and useful definition

I don't know what we're arguing about! You don't agree that circumstances are in place for a crash at least as bad as 2008's?

no it means plenty to the un and underemployed, because there is a big difference between 8% unemployment and 13% unemployment eisber, even if you are currently unemployed

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/015/orly.jpg

yes -- pundits, whom we should praise for their precise and useful definitions, especially when they're on cable television!

that's why we are hearing all of these stories about "unemployed need not apply" and rampant age discrimination in hiring ...

yall can free associate w/the best of em, YOU should be on cable news

but hey, silly me, i'm old enough to remember a day when Democratic politicians actually gave a shit about the long-term unemployed (or at least went through the motions of doing so) -- that was before "change we can believe in," though.

sure but thats not what we were talking abt at all

yeah also that was before republicans took control of congress

that is still the best looking owl ever. i wish he was a ice cream because i would eat him.

that's why we are hearing all of these stories about "unemployed need not apply" and rampant age discrimination in hiring ...

― kurwa mać (Polish for "long life") (Eisbaer), Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:07 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you can create whatever law you want but if people are gonna discriminate in hiring there's no way you can 'know they did it'

This started because you picked on Morbs about Obama and the economy as if the implication was that either our economic health depended on Obama's reelection or that we should reward Obama because we're not losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month like in 2009. If voters decided on the latter, that's fine, but it's no reason to be sanguine. If I'm wrong, please correct me -- no snark.

i picked on morbs be cause he predicted the economy would bottom out before the election and obama would lose!

I don't think this has anything to do with obama? it's just not likely that the economy is gonna crash this year.