jon snow dies
― diamonddave85, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm wondering if the end of S02E02 is possibly going to kickstart the mutiny at craster's keep early. i can't really see craster being friendly to the crows after catching jon snow spying on his secret
― diamonddave85, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 15:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
I am pretty sure Jon is going to end up inside of his wolf
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
ew
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh hey so this thread exists
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm going to read this thread even tho I haven't read the books because I am total badass
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
someone remind me how the craster stuff went down in the books. the mutiny happened in book 3 on their way back, right?
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 20:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
yes, things were pretty tense after slogging through the snow for months and getting attacked by zombies
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
― lag∞n, Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:29 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark
robb dies, catelyn dies and becomes a zombie, arya goes blind, tyrion kills his father tywin and flees westeros, jaime gets his hand chopped off, joffrey dies, sansa marries tyrion, renly dies, jon snow dies, dany gets diarrhea *drops mic*
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
you forgot Bran becomes a tree
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Jon is inside a wolf
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol its cool i dont know most of the characters names anyway
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Jon is Inside a Wolf Inside a Turkey. He's a Jowokey.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
There's an interesting thread on the Westeros forum (where obsessives pour over the books for clues endlessly) that attempts to list out where each and every character is at the end of Dance With Dragons. It is a very long list and went a long way toward convincing me that these books will never get any kind of resolution.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
also forgot: Arya gets her sight back, along with a new face
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm not sure if Jon is going to be inside the wolf or brought back to life by the red queen. Either would work, though the first would be more interesting.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
how will you guys feel if the show departs radically from the books at some point because i think it should totally do that
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm totally fine with whatever as long as the Red Wedding still happens
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
if they do the whole showdown at Craster's now, it would be a pretty huge departure. That's skipping forward like a thousand pages.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
― lag∞n, Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:35 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
i feel like the longer the show goes on, the more it's going to create its own universe with all those little departures adding up into something bigger. but i dont really care because im honestly not that into the show, i just want the next book. hurry up george!!!!
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
the show needs its own universe because it can't really sustain all of the plot threads of the book
basically I think if they keep focused on Dany and Tyrion (with Bran and Arya as the main subplots), they can reshuffle/redo most everything else and get away with it
they absolutely need a Red Wedding analogue though; the culling of competing kings is a pretty important piece of the overall series no matter what form it takes
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
they need the red wedding, period, it's by far the most badass moment in teh whole series
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
i love how there's so much dready build up to it but u never actually think he'll do THAT
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
/how will you guys feel if the show departs radically from the books at some point because i think it should totally do that/I'm totally fine with whatever as long as the Red Wedding still happens
5real
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
It'll probably be even more shocking in the show since Rob is already a bigger character than he was in the books
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
booming post canks, that'll keep the riffraff out
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
what book does the red wedding take place in
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
storm of swords
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
man wait u forgot ppl out skydoors
― catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
what did max reveal on the other thread?? was it melisandre getting 'pregnant'? because i so nearly wrote that.
i will repeat from elsewhere, no way jon is dead.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
no one is dead
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
well, Robb is dead
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
never clicking again
― kelpolaris, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
also, one departure i would like to suggest is gilly gets killed immediately so that terrible woman isn't on my tv anymore
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
aw, what did Kristin Wiig ever do to you
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
this is not the thread you want to open having noticed only that it has "GAME OF THRONES" in the title
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
So it's been renewed for season three, which means that now the show has to untangle books three and four, which will be a tough gig.
My suspicion is that S2 would end with the Blackwater battle? Can't see it stuck in the middle of season 3. And I can't imagine how they're going to film that for TV, that's LotR scale.
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
they cut his head off and replaced it with his wolfs
― Lamp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yep, S2 finale
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
Interesting to see how they're breaking this down
201: The North RemembersWritten by David Benioff & D.B Weiss, directed by Alan TaylorAirdate: 1 April 2012
202: The Night LandsWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan TaylorAirdate: 8 April 2012
203: What is Dead May Never DieWritten by Bryan Cogman, directed by Alik SakharovAirdate: 15 April 2012
204: Garden of BonesWritten by Vanessa Taylor, directed by David PetrarcaAirdate: 22 April 2012
205: The Ghost of HarrenhalWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by David Petrarca Airdate: 29 April 2012
206: The Old Gods and the NewWritten by Vanessa Taylor, directed by David NutterAirdate: 6 May 2012
207: A Man Without HonorWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by David Nutter Airdate: 13 May 2012
208: The Prince of WinterfellWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan TaylorAirdate: 20 May 2012
209: BlackwaterWritten by George R.R. Martin, directed by Neil Marshall Airdate: 27 May 2012
210: Valar MorghulisWritten by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan TaylorAirdate: 3 June 2012
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
Probably going to be Stannis and Mel re-enacting it on the Dragonstone table with the action figures, post-coitus.
― Où sont le Lord Custos d'antan? (Leee), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 05:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
I wonder if they're still going to have Tyrion get his nose cut off etc.
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 08:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, Peter Dinklage is already way more handsome than the way Tyrion is described in the books. I have a hard time seeing HBO disfigure their star for years on end.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
They'll probably just give him an interesting scar instead.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
grrm dropped too many hints about jon snow actually being lyanna stark's son to just kill him off without having the Big Reveal about that. he'll surely be back
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
kind of like how ppl had a hard time seeing HBO kill of poster boy Sean Bean?
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
No, not really
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
they already made a concession by not having him be ugly from the start. They might give him a nasty scar but i doubt they'll go all the way with it.
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
did you know peter dinklage was in that one episode of 30 rock? tina fey mistakes him for a child but then starts dating him to cover up for it
― thomp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
ya 409 will almost certainly be red-wed
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:38 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
i get nervous just thinking about it tbh
which episode do you think they'll have the ten minute scene of Theon's genitals getting mutilated
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:40 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
Oh man I know, enough already with that. I know torture porn is inherently medieval but damn
More I think about it, 410: Jeoffrey dies, Tyrion accused, Tommen as king with Cersei, Jaime arrives
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:43 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
tvguide type synopses -
407 Bear and the Maiden Fair - Dany exchanges gifts with a slave lord outside of Yunkai. As Sansa frets about her prospects, Shae chafes at Tyrion's new situation. Tywin counsels the king, and Melisandre reveals a secret to Gendry. Brienne faces a formidable foe in Harrenhal.
408 Second Sons - King's Landing hosts a wedding, and Tyrion and Sansa spend the night together. Dany meets the Titan's Bastard. Davos demands proof from Melisandre. Sam and Gilly meet an older gentleman.
409 Rains of Castermere - Robb presents himself to Walder Frey, and Edmure meets his bride. Jon faces his harshest test yet. Bran discovers a new gift. Daario and Jorah debate how to take Yunkai. House Frey joins with House Tully.
410 Mhysa - Joffrey challenges Tywin. Bran tells a ghost story. In Dragonstone, mercy comes from strange quarters. Dany waits to see if she is a conqueror or a liberator.
― balls, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:44 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
Robb presents himself to Walder Frey - heh
― balls, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
man i hope they don't let us on to shae's betrayal beforehand
― balls, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:46 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
Sam and Gilly meet an older gentleman.
haha
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 19:46 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
i love how deliberately understated these are! 'House Frey joins with House Tully'
'Bran tells a ghost story' in Mother episode - something to do with zombie cat?
i would guess the next episode is where the boltons have their proper coming out party as villains
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 20:49 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
This is the society-column proper-etiquette version of events
'Tyrion makes a point to Tywin'
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 20:53 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
"Joffrey challenges Tywin" will be the "sharp lesson" scene which should be excellent.
― Clay, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 20:54 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
"meeting an older gentlemen" was kinda reminding me of the first 1/3 of Dostoevsky novels where it's all just gossiping about archaic social niceties
― random accies memories (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 20:55 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
jawn snuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
― am0n, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 20:57 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
lol
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 21:03 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
'Bran tells a ghost story' in Mother episode
― gyac, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 21:20 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
Dany exchanges gifts with a slave lord outside of Yunkai.
Maybe SHE'S the one who drops the deuce???
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 01:27 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
haw
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 01:47 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 13:13 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
well we have psycho ramsay revealed ahead of time and it'll be bolton's own men rather than the mummers that put the maiden in with the bear, so i think things have accelerated somewhat on that front
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 13:28 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
roose is pretty clearly shown to be Not A Good Guy in this last episode, when he lets jaime go
― max, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 13:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
Yeah but even so, big diff between "Not A Good Guy Who's Out For Himself" and "Not A Good Guy Who Makes Cloaks From The Skins Of Small Children".
I'm looking forward to the Boltons coming to the fore as baddies-in-chief for the series.
― Windsor Davies, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 16:34 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
I haven't read the books; are the practical aspects of winter coming addressed at all? Like are there any voices of reason going "hey maybe we should all be focusing on stockpiling food rather than fighting wars, since we won't be able to grow crops for years on end" ?
Or am I misunderstanding how seasons work in this fantasy world.
― Dan I., Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:27 (1 week ago) Permalink
not really since most of the characters are aristocratic and it's not as much of an issue for them. the 4th book actually has a bit of a subtheme in it of examining the effects of the war on the common people of westeros, not sure if any of that is going to make it into the tv series though
― ciderpress, Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:31 (1 week ago) Permalink
there is a lot of frowning about crops being ruined and not being ready for winter, but it is on the superficial side
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:34 (1 week ago) Permalink
fortunately there is a long lasting supply of carefully preserved dead human flesh making its way south, under its own power incredibly, like a morbid ice cream truck of anthropophagy
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:37 (1 week ago) Permalink
that would be a good direction for the series to take as it draws to a close
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:38 (1 week ago) Permalink
also yeah it's sort of implied that the threat of the coming winter is the white walkers returning, not the climate. the adult characters in the show have lived through a couple 'normal' winters which apparently aren't that bad. there's even some descriptions in the book about e.g. how winterfell is built on top of a big hot spring and thus has a natural heating system that keeps it nice in the winter
― ciderpress, Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:41 (1 week ago) Permalink
there was a scene at the beginning of S2 where they officially announced the end of summer and how long of a winter could be endured in King's Landing given the amount of stockpiles they had
― Moodles, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:34 (1 week ago) Permalink
i have a friend who couldnt get over this when she was reading it, she was like "winter is coming for YEARS and everyone is running around burning all the crops, they're all so fucked!"
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:36 (1 week ago) Permalink
iirc the thing is that any head wise enough to be more concerned by crops than crowns has been cut off by the end of book 2
― inste grammophon (rogermexico.), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:45 (1 week ago) Permalink
also yeah it's sort of implied that the threat of the coming winter is the white walkers returning
― ciderpress, Thursday, May 9, 2013
huh? no one even believes in "white walkers"
― inste grammophon (rogermexico.), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:46 (1 week ago) Permalink
i think cider is right, there is portent or superstition about winter and "winter is coming" that is not just meteorological, even if no one actually believes in the others specifically.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:55 (1 week ago) Permalink
I haven't read the books; are the practical aspects of winter coming addressed at all? Like are there any voices of reason going "hey maybe we should all be focusing on stockpiling food rather than fighting wars, since we won't be able to grow crops for years on end" ?Or am I misunderstanding how seasons work in this fantasy world.i have a friend who couldnt get over this when she was reading it, she was like "winter is coming for YEARS and everyone is running around burning all the crops, they're all so fucked!"― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Thursday, May 9, 2013 10:36 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Thursday, May 9, 2013 10:36 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Spot on tbh. For a series which has made such a huge deal out of "like fantasy but REAL" to ignore this point would be a massive mis-step. Can only assume that this is going to become a major plot point in The Winds Of Winter, particularly given how fond GRRM seems to be of getting bogged down in tedious detail these days. But I suppose there's also always a chance that the economic, social and agricultural realities of a decades-long winter will get ignored and focus will instead be given to Daenaerys and the Dragons vs the White Walkers
I also agree that "Winter is coming" / the aura surrounding winter in these novels has always implied more than simply the risk of heavy snowfall.
― Windsor Davies, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:58 (1 week ago) Permalink
also, there is too much ~symbolism~ with the seasons for the series to end in winter. something magical will happen and spring will arrive before shit gets too real i am sure, although i am sure there will be some food shortage drama at least alluded to along the way.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:02 (1 week ago) Permalink
Heartbreakingly withered neeps
― Moron Tabernacle Chior (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:32 (1 week ago) Permalink
LOL. i suppose there are always olives growing somewhere, it'll be okay.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:38 (1 week ago) Permalink
Spot on tbh. For a series which has made such a huge deal out of "like fantasy but REAL" to ignore this point would be a massive mis-step. Can only assume that this is going to become a major plot point in The Winds Of Winter, particularly given how fond GRRM seems to be of getting bogged down in tedious detail these days.
It's not ignored at all. House Tyrell controls the majority of the food supply in Westeros. The Crown is severely indebted to the point they have foreign debt-collectors after them, which would severely impact their ability to import food from elsewhere. Jaime advises peasants to try for one last harvest. There's a lot of talk about the Vale having a huge granary and basically untouched supplies. Etc.
― gyac, Friday, 10 May 2013 00:00 (1 week ago) Permalink
I never bought into Jaime's redemption from the books -- for whatever reason, it felt superficial -- but I have to admit that NCW is making it real for me in a big way.
God damn, creeping closer to the RW. Wonder if Talisa was really writing to her mum.
― Gregor Sansa (Leee), Monday, 13 May 2013 05:16 (1 week ago) Permalink
Are we to assume Theon is now sans penis? He only lost a couple of fingers in the books right?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 09:14 (1 week ago) Permalink
Heavily implied that he has been castrated in the later books iirc. In fact, probably slightly more than implied, he just never actually mentions it explicitly.
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 09:50 (1 week ago) Permalink
"reek, reek, my name is reek, rhyme with no dick"
― Jibe, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 14:56 (1 week ago) Permalink
― am0n, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:03 (1 week ago) Permalink
yeah in the books i didn't really buy into jaime's arc until the end of book 4 when he threw cersei's plea for help into the fire, they're setting him up to be likable a lot earlier in the show though
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:07 (1 week ago) Permalink
Oh Sam, why didn't you take the knife with you?
― llama del rey (Leee), Monday, 20 May 2013 04:47 (2 days ago) Permalink
Also, Daario doesn't look nearly as sleazy as he needs to be.
― llama del rey (Leee), Monday, 20 May 2013 04:49 (2 days ago) Permalink
Bah, I thought this was going to be Benjen AKA Coldhands.
― llama del rey (Leee), Monday, 20 May 2013 04:54 (2 days ago) Permalink
ha me too, but that is classic work by the summarizer there
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 20 May 2013 11:06 (2 days ago) Permalink
tv show teaser-summary trolling is really becoming an artform before our eyes.
― Clay, Monday, 20 May 2013 21:26 (2 days ago) Permalink
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