THE GAME OF THRONES/ASOIAF SPOILER THREAD (WARNING: SPOILERS)

jon snow dies

i'm wondering if the end of S02E02 is possibly going to kickstart the mutiny at craster's keep early. i can't really see craster being friendly to the crows after catching jon snow spying on his secret

I am pretty sure Jon is going to end up inside of his wolf

ew

oh hey so this thread exists

I'm going to read this thread even tho I haven't read the books because I am total badass

someone remind me how the craster stuff went down in the books. the mutiny happened in book 3 on their way back, right?

yes, things were pretty tense after slogging through the snow for months and getting attacked by zombies

I'm going to read this thread even tho I haven't read the books because I am total badass

― lag∞n, Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:29 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark

robb dies, catelyn dies and becomes a zombie, arya goes blind, tyrion kills his father tywin and flees westeros, jaime gets his hand chopped off, joffrey dies, sansa marries tyrion, renly dies, jon snow dies, dany gets diarrhea *drops mic*

you forgot Bran becomes a tree

Jon is inside a wolf

lol its cool i dont know most of the characters names anyway

Jon is Inside a Wolf Inside a Turkey. He's a Jowokey.

There's an interesting thread on the Westeros forum (where obsessives pour over the books for clues endlessly) that attempts to list out where each and every character is at the end of Dance With Dragons. It is a very long list and went a long way toward convincing me that these books will never get any kind of resolution.

also forgot: Arya gets her sight back, along with a new face

I'm not sure if Jon is going to be inside the wolf or brought back to life by the red queen. Either would work, though the first would be more interesting.

how will you guys feel if the show departs radically from the books at some point because i think it should totally do that

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how will you guys feel if the show departs radically from the books at some point because i think it should totally do that

I'm totally fine with whatever as long as the Red Wedding still happens

if they do the whole showdown at Craster's now, it would be a pretty huge departure. That's skipping forward like a thousand pages.

how will you guys feel if the show departs radically from the books at some point because i think it should totally do that

― lag∞n, Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:35 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

i feel like the longer the show goes on, the more it's going to create its own universe with all those little departures adding up into something bigger. but i dont really care because im honestly not that into the show, i just want the next book. hurry up george!!!!

the show needs its own universe because it can't really sustain all of the plot threads of the book

basically I think if they keep focused on Dany and Tyrion (with Bran and Arya as the main subplots), they can reshuffle/redo most everything else and get away with it

they absolutely need a Red Wedding analogue though; the culling of competing kings is a pretty important piece of the overall series no matter what form it takes

they need the red wedding, period, it's by far the most badass moment in teh whole series

i love how there's so much dready build up to it but u never actually think he'll do THAT

/how will you guys feel if the show departs radically from the books at some point because i think it should totally do that/

I'm totally fine with whatever as long as the Red Wedding still happens

5real

It'll probably be even more shocking in the show since Rob is already a bigger character than he was in the books

booming post canks, that'll keep the riffraff out

what book does the red wedding take place in

storm of swords

man wait u forgot ppl out skydoors

what did max reveal on the other thread?? was it melisandre getting 'pregnant'? because i so nearly wrote that.

i will repeat from elsewhere, no way jon is dead.

no one is dead

well, Robb is dead

never clicking again

also, one departure i would like to suggest is gilly gets killed immediately so that terrible woman isn't on my tv anymore

aw, what did Kristin Wiig ever do to you

this is not the thread you want to open having noticed only that it has "GAME OF THRONES" in the title

So it's been renewed for season three, which means that now the show has to untangle books three and four, which will be a tough gig.

My suspicion is that S2 would end with the Blackwater battle? Can't see it stuck in the middle of season 3. And I can't imagine how they're going to film that for TV, that's LotR scale.

they cut his head off and replaced it with his wolfs

Yep, S2 finale

Interesting to see how they're breaking this down

201: The North Remembers
Written by David Benioff & D.B Weiss, directed by Alan Taylor
Airdate: 1 April 2012

202: The Night Lands
Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan Taylor
Airdate: 8 April 2012

203: What is Dead May Never Die
Written by Bryan Cogman, directed by Alik Sakharov
Airdate: 15 April 2012

204: Garden of Bones
Written by Vanessa Taylor, directed by David Petrarca
Airdate: 22 April 2012

205: The Ghost of Harrenhal
Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by David Petrarca
Airdate: 29 April 2012

206: The Old Gods and the New
Written by Vanessa Taylor, directed by David Nutter
Airdate: 6 May 2012

207: A Man Without Honor
Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by David Nutter
Airdate: 13 May 2012

208: The Prince of Winterfell
Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan Taylor
Airdate: 20 May 2012

209: Blackwater
Written by George R.R. Martin, directed by Neil Marshall
Airdate: 27 May 2012

210: Valar Morghulis
Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan Taylor
Airdate: 3 June 2012

My suspicion is that S2 would end with the Blackwater battle? Can't see it stuck in the middle of season 3. And I can't imagine how they're going to film that for TV, that's LotR scale.

Probably going to be Stannis and Mel re-enacting it on the Dragonstone table with the action figures, post-coitus.

I wonder if they're still going to have Tyrion get his nose cut off etc.

Yeah, Peter Dinklage is already way more handsome than the way Tyrion is described in the books. I have a hard time seeing HBO disfigure their star for years on end.

They'll probably just give him an interesting scar instead.

grrm dropped too many hints about jon snow actually being lyanna stark's son to just kill him off without having the Big Reveal about that. he'll surely be back

Yeah, Peter Dinklage is already way more handsome than the way Tyrion is described in the books. I have a hard time seeing HBO disfigure their star for years on end.

kind of like how ppl had a hard time seeing HBO kill of poster boy Sean Bean?

No, not really

they already made a concession by not having him be ugly from the start. They might give him a nasty scar but i doubt they'll go all the way with it.

did you know peter dinklage was in that one episode of 30 rock? tina fey mistakes him for a child but then starts dating him to cover up for it

he wrote the first 3 in a shorter period of time (and they're the good ones)

it really does seem like his interest in completing the series has waned over time

I would think the burden of living up to fans expectations had a lot to do with that. Wonder if any writers are thinking "shit, I'd better write my entire series over 15 years then released them all in one go"?

Yeah I don't think it's a lack of interest. Just for some odd reason he never figured out the plotting beyond 1-3 and he's desperately trying to figure out how to keep the narrative together.

he should take his time & do it however he wants who gives a fuck

Becoming rich in old age probably has something to do with this

I don't know, he writes books that are about 3 times longer than normal books in about 5 years. That seems pretty decent.

Plus writing and editing lots of other books too.

oh wow, they are still publishing Wild Cards books

he writes books that are about 3 times longer than normal books

Again: why do the books have to be so fucking long? I read the first two books, but I've seen the whole series to date, and there's very little of the books I miss, just more minutia and mythology. The show is just so ruthlessly efficient compared to the prose.

Anyway, if this guy really does have an idea how he wants it all to end, I wonder if it is indeed the show that's thrown him off. That is, maybe the joy of discovery in writing, as he's writing, might have fizzled out after he essentially "wrote" the entire series for the show runners. That's a lot more intense than an outline, that's really bringing others along on an entire journey, locking in the narrative (at least to an extent), then basically going backwards and starting the trip again, while struggling to catch up with the people you gave a head start. It's got to be dispiriting to have someone else usurp your creative momentum.

Incidentally, I just re-read the Harry Potter series with my daughter, and sure, they're I think on their face much better, imo, but more importantly they rarely seem so rambling and focused on pointless minutia, as full of pointless minutia as they may be. There's a clear quest from the start, more or less, and it all comes together tightly in the end. That's seven books in 10 years, a couple of them pretty big, and they never read like the whole narrative is spilling out of control.

he's mad that ppl figured out his marquee reveal so easily and he is stalling while he tries to figure out a plausible alternative.

That's possible, too! It'd be like coming up with a cool story and boasting about it, and then some 10-year old boy is all "what, he's a ghost who has been dead the whole time?" And then you just deflate.

Anyway, if this guy really does have an idea how he wants it all to end, I wonder if it is indeed the show that's thrown him off. That is, maybe the joy of discovery in writing, as he's writing, might have fizzled out after he essentially "wrote" the entire series for the show runners. That's a lot more intense than an outline, that's really bringing others along on an entire journey, locking in the narrative (at least to an extent), then basically going backwards and starting the trip again, while struggling to catch up with the people you gave a head start. It's got to be dispiriting to have someone else usurp your creative momentum.

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, January 4, 2016 12:21 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's something to this imo. not fussed about it either way tbh. looking forward to the season, happy to read the book whenever it shows up.

The main benefit of the show finishing first is that he can use all the response to improve upon it. I can't imagine he'll feel the same pressure when the show finishes in 2017.

I'm pretty excited about the 6th season but I can't help but feel it'll suffer for not having finished books, intense fan discussion and hindsight to work upon.

oh wow, they are still publishing Wild Cards books

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmrA8nOZF2Q

Gee, maybe Jon really is dead!

well Tyrion too if that's to be believed? was that some many faced God ref?

I think Dany's one of the faces too, so they're probably overplaying the Anyone Can Die card.

Can they only disguise themselves with the faces of the dead?

I think they were just using the cool room with the faces as a visual motif, and it has nothing to do with whether the characters are dead/gonna die/whatever

Oh soz yeah I didnt take it as interpreting that theyre all gonna die.

hey guys

winter is coming

oh sweet i can finally read this thread

http://imgur.com/a/mrrK4

grrm's original outline to the publishers for the asoiaf "trilogy"

lol really hope that love triangle's still happening.

Sigh

lol

https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/25/17280908/george-r-r-martin-grrm-game-of-thrones-song-of-ice-and-fire

Yeah, that made me chuckle as well.

And it's going to be TWO volumes. Except I'm sure that he's going to expand it to 3+, without ever finishing them.

I've been fairly positive for quite a while that Winds of Winter will never see the light of day during his lifetime. This news is a good indication that's what's happening. I don't get people who are highly anticipating it like it will come out any day now. My brother-in-law refuses to watch the two most recent seasons of GoT until the rest of the books come out. Insane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwa6xgIZCv8

I love the cinematography of that film

Martin has somehow achieved the almost impossible task of making a civil war between people with dragons seem dull, with dry prose that would fit right alongside Gibbon’s famed work.

Impossible task?

I can't wait for his 10,000 page Westeros cookbook.

The asiof cookbook is actually really good imo

i have eaten a couple dishes from it tbrr

I can't wait for his 10,000 page Westeros cookbook.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, April 27, 2018 6:44 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

look, we're all excited for winds of winter

I don't know if I'll ever read this series but I'm glad he's just writing what he feels like.

The Winds of Winter blew strong across the Plains of Abaranth. Kornth, the boy, looked up at Twer, the Dwarf, his master.

"The Winds of Winter blow strong today," said the boy.

"Yes," said the dwarf to his charge. "And it is still only summer."

"But winter is coming," said the boy.

"It is," said the dwarf, upping the pace of his stride, as much to counter the chill and as to reach his destination that much faster.

"Are we there yet?" asked the boy.

"Not far now," said the dwarf, bracing himself against another blast of cold air. The journey had been long, too long, already, and his stomach announced its presence with ever greater frequency, as if angry at the absence of sustenance. Twer tried his best to ignore it, but he could not resist its impatience call, and his mind brought him back to more bountiful times. He recalled his mother in the kitchen, cooking from a great book based on food found in several tomes of ancient legend. He remembered long nights at the long table, watching his father eat is weight in roast boar and banana pudding, washed down with ample pours of Swamp Drink. But that was a different time, a time before dragons. During the feasts, full of stories and mirth, no one ever thought the dragons would return. And now, no one ever thought the dragons would ever leave. They were like demanding house guests with unfathomable appetites and unappeasable demands, the stuff of myth for dietary needs alone who now made their nests in the charred bones of their former hosts, the skeletal remnants of the world as it was before.

That is why Twer walked as fast as his short legs would take him, and that is why Korth the boy raced to keep up. The boy was the key. That is what the Red Prophecy declared, and even if Twer had his personal doubts, his desperation was such that he was willing to put his faith in the prospects of this small child, this soon to be young man, this future king who had once faced down a dragon ... and lived.

Been a long time since I posted itt, but watching the shows has made me think about the books again.

I laughed to see GRRM putting out an angry blog about how he has not finished the books:

That seems to be happening right now. All of a sudden this crazy story about my finishing THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING years ago is popping up everywhere. No, I am not going to provide links. I don’t want to reward purveyors of misinformation with hits.

I will, however, say for the record — no, THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING are not finished. DREAM is not even begun; I am not going to start writing volume seven until I finish volume six

It seems absurd to me that I need to state this. The world is round, the Earth revolves around the sun, water is wet…

If he ever finishes the books and they turn out to be reasonably good, there will inevitably be a clamour for a TV adaptation of them

https://www.polygon.com/23200605/game-of-thrones-books-ending-winds-of-winter-george-r-r-martin-song-ice-fire

Diplomatic way of saying that you don't want to make the same mistakes that GOT made.

But I'm sure it's a (kings)moot point because TWOW isn't ever going to get published.

One thing I can say, in general enough terms that I will not be spoiling anything: not all of the characters who survived until the end of Game of Thrones will survive until the end of A Song of Ice and Fire, and not all of the characters who died on Game of Thrones will die in A Song of Ice and Fire. (Some will, sure. Of course. Maybe most. But definitely not all)

Something about this makes the storytelling seem kind of empty. Like playing a game to get the "good ending".

Fan reactions for genre stuff are so often centered around, ‘you killed my favorite character and ruined it for me!’ or ‘this character wasn’t punished properly’

I like his chances more than Rosemary Kirstein, Melanie Rawn and Robin McKinley. Janny Wurts and JV Jones are closing near the finish line now.

George's friend Phyllis Eisenstein finished her long running series plus another novel shortly before she died but nobody is publishing them, which is a total bummer

Forgotten Diane Duane, there's a 4th book that has been waited on for nearly 30 years now

George's friend Phyllis Eisenstein

Have you read her? I found a copy of Sorceror's Son in a Little Free Library - might give it a try.

Not yet but I bought a few things, I've heard plenty of good things.